Where did all of the Nazi nonsense come from, especially calling them right wing.

First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

Second, they aren't right wing, they were socialists and were most definitely not supporters of Israel and the Jews. How is that "right wing"? Modern day American Democrats = Socialists who do no support Israel - Nazi's sound pretty left wing to me.

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Liberals are all things holy and just.
Conservatives are all things sinful and evil.

The claim that the Nazis were "right wing" is one of the biggest lies ever sold.

They were left wing authoritarians.

And as we know in this country, the left always accuses the right of what they themselves are guilty of doing/being.

Anything 'they' don't agree with is 'right wing'...

You haven't figured this out yet?

Religion - Right Wing
2nd Amendment - Right Wing
Free Speech - Right Wing
Common Sense - Right Wing

After the idiots called Tim Pool 'Right Wing' in reference to the Allen shooter, 'Right Wing' has lost all meaning...

I would guess that Tim Pool would vote Newsome or Michael Obama over Trump in 24 Election. Maybe not, but would probably vote for a Gabbard or other moderate Democrat. He definitely is liberal socially. He just doesn't carry their water like 98% of the media.

The Commie-Nazi fight was a progressive sectarian fight. They had the same authoritarian bent and the same belief in total govt control of the economy, one based off of class warfare jealousy and dehumanization, the other based off of race warfare and dehumanization.

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Where did all of the Nazi nonsense come from, especially calling them right wing.

First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

Second, they aren't right wing, they were socialists and were most definitely not supporters of Israel and the Jews. How is that "right wing"? Modern day American Democrats = Socialists who do no support Israel - Nazi's sound pretty left wing to me.

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More clever propaganda from the left. "Let's call left-wing socialists right wing."

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First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

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Please see German American Bund 1936-1940

Wait, you're expecting a leftist claim to make sense? Rookie mistake.

Most historical attempts at fascism is just socialism based on race instead of class. Nazi's in particular. There is a protected class that is being exploited and pandered in order to turn them on another class of people that the government doesn't need to secure power.

Most people still have close relatives that either fought or died against the Nazi ideology, and it angers me that people can be so stupid today that they support what their ancestors risked or gave their lives preventing from becoming the norm.

Are you claiming that a few hundred Nazi sympathizers in the US in 1936-1940 equates to an American Nazi political party that had any legitimacy?

Anything that opposes the progressive communist agenda is labeled as "right-wing nazism."

"Nazi" is a meaningless word now thanks to liberals over-using it for everyone that doesn't 100% agree with all of their woke platforms. Same with "racist" and "literally Hitler". If a leftist is using any of these words than they have lost the argument on the basis of facts and logic. Simply smile and acknowledge their surrender.

It was a funny picture 20 years ago. Now it's standard practice.

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Where did all of the Nazi nonsense come from, especially calling them right wing.

First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

Second, they aren't right wing, they were socialists and were most definitely not supporters of Israel and the Jews. How is that "right wing"? Modern day American Democrats = Socialists who do no support Israel - Nazi's sound pretty left wing to me.

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I think the reason they are called right wing is how they did their authortarian transition especially when compared to the USSR. (I dont like this intellectual shorthand personally).

Nazi Germany and USSR both ended up with the same style of government.
USSR path: capitalist -> social revolution that killed capitalists-> socialism (for a very brief time) -> authoritarian command economy
Nazi Path: capitalist -> capitalist becoming bureaucrats-> eventually enough power becomes bureaucratic that remaining capitalists were crushed -> authoritarian command economy.

So it could theoretically be described as right because the capitalists were involved in the movement from the first stage. It is a misrepresentation because the capitalists in the end either became bureaucrats or were eliminated. And generally right and capitalism go together.

I do NAZI this thread lasting long.

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AgBQ-00 said:

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The Commie-Nazi fight was a progressive sectarian fight. They had the same authoritarian bent and the same belief in total govt control of the economy, one based off of class warfare jealousy and dehumanization, the other based off of race warfare and dehumanization.

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Guess where we're headed? That sectarian group has already consumed the left, and will consume the right too as the next generation of Conservatives decide they'd rather fight fire with fire than let themselves be burned.

History's about to rhyme again

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Are you claiming that a few hundred Nazi sympathizers in the US in 1936-1940 equates to an American Nazi political party that had any legitimacy?

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That was a strategy used by Hitler. He was able to capture many key ports in Norway and Sweden by political movements of Naziism or Nazi sympathizers.

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Are you claiming that a few hundred Nazi sympathizers in the US in 1936-1940 equates to an American Nazi political party that had any legitimacy?

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You:

A) Obviously have a blind spot in American History. Listen to this podcast to learn more: Ultra
(Hint: Trump wasn't the first insider to attempt to overthrow the US Government)

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B) Just moved the goalpost...

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The Commie-Nazi fight was a progressive sectarian fight. They had the same authoritarian bent and the same belief in total govt control of the economy, one based off of class warfare jealousy and dehumanization, the other based off of race warfare and dehumanization.

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Where did all of the Nazi nonsense come from, especially calling them right wing.

First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

Second, they aren't right wing, they were socialists and were most definitely not supporters of Israel and the Jews. How is that "right wing"? Modern day American Democrats = Socialists who do no support Israel - Nazi's sound pretty left wing to me.

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The 'socialist' that Hitlers party used was in name only. He only used it to bring in the workers into his nationalist fold. In no way did they operate as socialists.. Hitler only paid lip service to this notion as a means to his end. This is a common misperception. They were nationalists.

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1939 said:

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Are you claiming that a few hundred Nazi sympathizers in the US in 1936-1940 equates to an American Nazi political party that had any legitimacy?

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You:

A) Obviously have a blind spot in American History. Listen to this podcast to learn more: Ultra
(Hint: Trump wasn't the first insider to attempt to overthrow the US Government)

and

B) Just moved the goalpost...

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Good God man, Rachel Maddow?

cevans_40 said:

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aggievaulter07 said:

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1939 said:

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Are you claiming that a few hundred Nazi sympathizers in the US in 1936-1940 equates to an American Nazi political party that had any legitimacy?

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You:

A) Obviously have a blind spot in American History. Listen to this podcast to learn more: Ultra
(Hint: Trump wasn't the first insider to attempt to overthrow the US Government)

and

B) Just moved the goalpost...

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Good God man, Rachel Maddow?

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DYOR, then.

BluHorseShu said:

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1939 said:

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Where did all of the Nazi nonsense come from, especially calling them right wing.

First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

Second, they aren't right wing, they were socialists and were most definitely not supporters of Israel and the Jews. How is that "right wing"? Modern day American Democrats = Socialists who do no support Israel - Nazi's sound pretty left wing to me.

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The 'socialist' that Hitlers party used was in name only. He only used it to bring in the workers into his nationalist fold. In no way did they operate as socialists.. Hitler only paid lip service to this notion as a means to his end. This is a common misperception. They were nationalists.

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That opposed capitalism. So national socialists.

Speaking of American Nazis, one of the creepiest things I've ever seen is in the Australian War Memorial Museum in Canberra.

They have on display, the Nazi Party flag from the Sydney chapter. The same flag you see at the massive rallies in WWII Germany.

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cevans_40 said:

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aggievaulter07 said:

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1939 said:

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Are you claiming that a few hundred Nazi sympathizers in the US in 1936-1940 equates to an American Nazi political party that had any legitimacy?

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You:

A) Obviously have a blind spot in American History. Listen to this podcast to learn more: Ultra
(Hint: Trump wasn't the first insider to attempt to overthrow the US Government)

and

B) Just moved the goalpost...

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Good God man, Rachel Maddow?

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DYOR, then.

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Thanks. I have and will certainly do more. I suggest you do the same as you are vastly ignorant of the topic on which you speak.

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BluHorseShu said:

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1939 said:

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Where did all of the Nazi nonsense come from, especially calling them right wing.

First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

Second, they aren't right wing, they were socialists and were most definitely not supporters of Israel and the Jews. How is that "right wing"? Modern day American Democrats = Socialists who do no support Israel - Nazi's sound pretty left wing to me.

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The 'socialist' that Hitlers party used was in name only. He only used it to bring in the workers into his nationalist fold. In no way did they operate as socialists.. Hitler only paid lip service to this notion as a means to his end. This is a common misperception. They were nationalists.

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That opposed capitalism. So national socialists.

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Sure...like we are a democracy.

1939 said:

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Where did all of the Nazi nonsense come from, especially calling them right wing.

First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

Second, they aren't right wing, they were socialists and were most definitely not supporters of Israel and the Jews. How is that "right wing"? Modern day American Democrats = Socialists who do no support Israel - Nazi's sound pretty left wing to me.

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Not the same. We call ourselves a democratic republic. Our government is set up that way. Only the LIV's think we are actually a democracy.

In a similar vein, the Nazis called themselves national socialists. They set up their economy this way. They went after the banks immediately after securing power. They operated a command economy. The only people arguing that they weren't a command economy are the LIV's.

You are 100% correct.

The idea that the Nazis were/are right wing is a perfect example of propaganda proliferated by our own government and mainstream media.

My other complaint is the idea that the USA is a democracy (hint: it is not...it is a constitutional republic that employs a democratic process for electing the representatives)

And today we have Hispanic Nazis!
Puro Alemanes!!

Hitler claimed to want to end state businesses but then turned the entire country into a government factory to supply needs for their war efforts.

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Where did all of the Nazi nonsense come from, especially calling them right wing.

First off, you can't be a Nazi. the Nazi's were a legit (in the sense that they were organized and recognized) political party in Germany in the 30's and 40's; it no longer exists, especially in America where the party never existed in the first place.

Second, they aren't right wing, they were socialists and were most definitely not supporters of Israel and the Jews. How is that "right wing"? Modern day American Democrats = Socialists who do no support Israel - Nazi's sound pretty left wing to me.

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The 'socialist' that Hitlers party used was in name only. He only used it to bring in the workers into his nationalist fold. In no way did they operate as socialists.. Hitler only paid lip service to this notion as a means to his end. This is a common misperception. They were nationalists.

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