https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12101267/Galactic-Starcruiser-Pricey-Star-Wars-hotel-Disney-World-close-just-one-year.html


Disney announces its huge Star Wars hotel will CLOSE just a year after opening and charging visitors up to $20,000 for two night 'voyage' on fake Orlando spaceship with no windows

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Your ignorance on the monorail / skylines issue is impressive.

The new bill was written to only apply to these two specific transportation systems.

Disney may make some stupid business decisions, but killing and injuring park guests is not part of the company's core policies.

But I get it, DeSaintus is incapable of making an error and all his agenda items are to be free from any and all criticism.

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I just don't see how it is such a big deal. It's not like they are going to just randomly shut down the Monorail. It just gives the State the authority to make sure they comply with regulations. Other trains have to do so. Cars have to do so. Boats have to do so. Of all the things that are just an outrage this just seems odd to me.

Obviously Disney doesn't want to have a crash or accident but no company does so I'm not sure how that is relevant, you still have regulatory oversight.

Once again, Disney is dunking on DeSantis. They're taking these jobs away to punish him. Right libs? Bhahaha

Just horrible business strategies on display here. Like trans light, they have alienated half their potential audience. At minimum.

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I just don't see how it is such a big deal.

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Neither do I. Were any state inspections done on elevators and escalators, their buses in and on Disney properties all of this time?

So this is a boneheaded move on DeSantis' part, right? The mouse is owning him, right? Taking on Woke Disney must be destroying his approval ratings in FL, right? he should just surrender and walk away, right?
And Florida must be losing revenue by astronomical amounts, right?

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Desantis] is beating former President Donald Trump in Florida among GOP primary voters, according to a new poll. And he has an even higher approval rating than when he won reelection by a landslide.

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And well, Florida's revenue for the year after Disney declared war is up 8.2%

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And then we have Disney stock since it announced its opposition to "don't say gay"- soaring from 147.34 to the dizzying heights of 93.76. In the buttkicking they are giving DeSantis, they have lost a third of their value. Not just the mouse kingdom itself, but ESPN, ABC, every nook and cranny that they have infested has been more than decimated by their wokeness.

This is a slaughter all right, but DeSantis will live to talk about it, maybe as president, Florida is prospering and if Disney continues on this path, it will be in bankruptcy before the presidential election.

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Not since they are on the same side as trump attacking Desantis right now.

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So, anyone that thinks particular move by DeSantis was pretty dumb is the same as the Lincoln Project?

OK, sure. You go with that.

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Anyone who blames all this on Desantis is the same as the Lincoln Project. Without a doubt.

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And, I don't like DeSantis throwing the weight of the government at Disney for a TV ad. Disney's grooming bull**** has cost them alot of money, and hope it costs them alot more.

For the record, there are alot of things I don't like that Trump does either.

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Disney is trying to use corporate influence to pervert children and destroy families.

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And, I don't like DeSantis throwing the weight of the government at Disney for a TV ad. Disney's grooming bull**** has cost them alot of money, and hope it costs them alot more.

For the record, there are alot of things I don't like that Trump does either.

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Disney is trying to use corporate influence to pervert children and destroy families.

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Then don't watch it. Don't have your kids watch it. Hurt them at their pocketbook. Make laws against it. Make public statements supporting your side.

Don't use the government to punish a company for disagreeing with you. That's what Ibama and Biden have done.

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And, I don't like DeSantis throwing the weight of the government at Disney for a TV ad. Disney's grooming bull**** has cost them alot of money, and hope it costs them alot more.

For the record, there are alot of things I don't like that Trump does either.

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Disney is trying to use corporate influence to pervert children and destroy families.

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Then don't watch it. Don't have your kids watch it. Hurt them at their pocketbook. Make laws against it. Make public statements supporting your side.

Don't use the government to punish a company for disagreeing with you. That's what Ibama and Biden have done.

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Tell me what exactly is the "punishment"? That Disney has to follow the same rules and regulations as Unviersal? That's leveling the playing field and there is no punishment.

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And, I don't like DeSantis throwing the weight of the government at Disney for a TV ad. Disney's grooming bull**** has cost them alot of money, and hope it costs them alot more.

For the record, there are alot of things I don't like that Trump does either.

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Disney is trying to use corporate influence to pervert children and destroy families.

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Then don't watch it. Don't have your kids watch it. Hurt them at their pocketbook. Make laws against it. Make public statements supporting your side.

Don't use the government to punish a company for disagreeing with you. That's what Ibama and Biden have done.

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Tell me what exactly is the "punishment"? That Disney has to follow the same rules and regulations as Unviersal? That's leveling the playing field and there is no punishment.

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Then do it when you first take office. I'd you feel that's what you need to do then do it.

But everyone.without TDS clouding their brain can see what is actually happening.

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fka ftc said:

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Your ignorance on the monorail / skylines issue is impressive.

The new bill was written to only apply to these two specific transportation systems.

Disney may make some stupid business decisions, but killing and injuring park guests is not part of the company's core policies.

But I get it, DeSaintus is incapable of making an error and all his agenda items are to be free from any and all criticism.

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I just don't see how it is such a big deal. It's not like they are going to just randomly shut down the Monorail. It just gives the State the authority to make sure they comply with regulations. Other trains have to do so. Cars have to do so. Boats have to do so. Of all the things that are just an outrage this just seems odd to me.

Obviously Disney doesn't want to have a crash or accident but no company does so I'm not sure how that is relevant, you still have regulatory oversight.

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Great, more regulatory oversight. What I look for in a good conservative republican is more government.

Its disingenuous to say this is bringing Disney in line with other modes of transport. Disney has long considered the Monorail to be just another ride at Disney, same for the relatively new Skyliner. Amusement rides in Florida are under the Florida Department of Agriculture, though parks with over 1,000 employees and their own internal safety inspection group are exempt - this applies to Disney, Universal, Sea World, etc.

From the actual bill, this new FDOT oversight is specific to only Disney via the below language:

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Any governmentally or privately owned fixed-guideway transportation systems operating in this state which are located within an independent special district created by local act which have boundaries within two contiguous counties... will be subject to state 'minimum safety standards'.

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The only two transportation systems that qualify are the Monorail and Skyliner.

The language of the bill included specifically the ability to "randomly shut down the Monorail" at the sole discretion of FDOT.

In the grand scheme its not near as consequential a move as dissolving Reedy Creek. From my perspective though, its completely unnecessary and is only being done as a RonnieD flex on the Mouse. That's fine, its his prerogative. But it seems very petty and blows up their narrative that they are only going after the "independent" district and not Disney the company.

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Tell me what exactly is the "punishment"? That Disney has to follow the same rules and regulations as Unviersal? That's leveling the playing field and there is no punishment.

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In regards to the monorail bill, now Disney has to follow rules that similar operations at Universal do not have to follow. The Harry Potter train at Universal is not subject to this new oversight. Why not?

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And, I don't like DeSantis throwing the weight of the government at Disney for a TV ad. Disney's grooming bull**** has cost them alot of money, and hope it costs them alot more.

For the record, there are alot of things I don't like that Trump does either.

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Disney is trying to use corporate influence to pervert children and destroy families.

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Then don't watch it. Don't have your kids watch it. Hurt them at their pocketbook. Make laws against it. Make public statements supporting your side.

Don't use the government to punish a company for disagreeing with you. That's what Ibama and Biden have done.

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Tell me what exactly is the "punishment"? That Disney has to follow the same rules and regulations as Unviersal? That's leveling the playing field and there is no punishment.

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Then do it when you first take office. I'd you feel that's what you need to do then do it.

But everyone.without TDS clouding their brain can see what is actually happening.

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WTF does TDS have to do with any of this? Treating Disney like they treat every other business and theme park in the state is not punishment. If they wanted special treatment from the state forever and complete immunity from the consequences of attacking the governor and the legislature on an issue that didn't affect them, they should have had that written into the agreement. This was entirely predictable and Disney let their wokeness blind them to that reality.

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Your ignorance on the monorail / skylines issue is impressive.

The new bill was written to only apply to these two specific transportation systems.

Disney may make some stupid business decisions, but killing and injuring park guests is not part of the company's core policies.

But I get it, DeSaintus is incapable of making an error and all his agenda items are to be free from any and all criticism.

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I just don't see how it is such a big deal. It's not like they are going to just randomly shut down the Monorail. It just gives the State the authority to make sure they comply with regulations. Other trains have to do so. Cars have to do so. Boats have to do so. Of all the things that are just an outrage this just seems odd to me.

Obviously Disney doesn't want to have a crash or accident but no company does so I'm not sure how that is relevant, you still have regulatory oversight.

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Great, more regulatory oversight. What I look for in a good conservative republican is more government.

Its disingenuous to say this is bringing Disney in line with other modes of transport. Disney has long considered the Monorail to be just another ride at Disney, same for the relatively new Skyliner. Amusement rides in Florida are under the Florida Department of Agriculture, though parks with over 1,000 employees and their own internal safety inspection group are exempt - this applies to Disney, Universal, Sea World, etc.

From the actual bill, this new FDOT oversight is specific to only Disney via the below language:

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Any governmentally or privately owned fixed-guideway transportation systems operating in this state which are located within an independent special district created by local act which have boundaries within two contiguous counties" will be subject to state "minimum safety standards.

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The only two transportation systems that qualify are the Monorail and Skyliner.

The language of the bill included specifically the ability to "randomly shut down the Monorail" at the sole discretion of FDOT.

In the grand scheme its not near as consequential a move as dissolving Reedy Creek. From my perspective though, its completely unnecessary and is only being done as a RonnieD flex on the Mouse. That's fine, its his prerogative. But it seems very petty and blows up their narrative that they are only going after the "independent" district and not Disney the company.

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You have to be pretty deep in the Libertarian Pool to say that a state government shouldn't regulate public transportation for safety purposes. Of course they have the ability to shut down the Monorail, my point is that is not something they would do lightly without a very real safety concern. If they did I would agree with you that is overreach but that would seem highly unlikely. I'm trying to think of any other form of public transport that doesn't involve having the mode of transportation inspected by a government authority when thousands of people ride it daily and can't imagine what that would be. I was surprised to see Disney got to do their own inspections without any oversight.

I get it, you think Disney is beyond reproach and would never do anything that would endanger passengers for business reasons. Neither do any transportation system though. The Monorail is also quite a bit different from an amusement ride because you step on and off without supervision for instance. Either way making sure they are safe is hardly controversial and is consistent with the overall principle of not allowing Disney to govern itself in a way that other companies cannot.

Obviously we will just agree to disagree, I just think it's an odd thing of all the parts of this story that the State of Florida being able to make sure the Monorail is safe is so abhorrent.

Looks like the Disney mess might be hurting Disney but FL is doing just fine:

#BREAKING: Florida sees record tourism in first quarter of 2023 at 37.9 million visitors, largest volume ever recorded in a single quarter

The state also maintains a low unemployment of 2.6%

— Florida’s Voice (@FLVoiceNews) May 19, 2023

The Harry Potter "train" is a ride and should be regulated as such
The entire ride is within the park
That being said obviously the new statute is designed to give FDOT oversight
Whether it is needed or an RD flex is debatable

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1. Disney has had their deal for over 5 decades. DeSantis never had any problems with it.
2. Florida passes a law
3. Disney disagreed and made a public statement, commercials, etc against it
4. DeSantis told them they would regret it
5. Florida legislature also threatens
6. Florida THEN passes a bill at the urging of DeSantis that harms Disney.
7. Trump calls out DeSantis on this
8. TDS yells reeeeeee, Trump is a groomer.

For your refresher, TDS is defined by irrational thought/logic due to their emotional reaction to Trump.

It's clear DeSanris/Florida is trying to punish Disney for their public displeasure of the law that was passed.

TDS is the reason anyone would think this is not about retaliation forwards Disney.

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WTF does TDS have to do with any of this?

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1. Disney has had their deal for over 5 decades. DeSantis never had any problems with it.
2. Florida passes a law
3. Disney disagreed and made a public statement, commercials, etc against it
4. DeSantis told them they would regret it
5. Florida legislature also threatens
6. Florida THEN passes a bill at the urging of DeSantis that harms Disney.
7. Trump calls out DeSantis on this
8. TDS yells reeeeeee, Trump is a groomer.

For your refresher, TDS is defined by irrational thought/logic due to their emotional reaction to Trump.

It's clear DeSanris/Florida is trying to punish Disney for their public displeasure of the law that was passed.

TDS is the reason anyone would think this is not about retaliation forwards Disney.

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Again, what does TDS have to do with it? I despise Trump as a human being, but I voted for him twice. I like Desantis as a candidate more because he is Trump without the drama and is more able to articulate his position on issues. My position on Trump or DS has no bearing on why I think Disney was in the wrong here.

So lets go through your list:

1. Disney has had their deal for over 5 decades. DeSantis never had any problems with it.

Ok, show me all the other times in the last 50 years that Disney put their corporate name along with millions of dollars behind attacking the governor and the leg on an issue that had no affect on Disney as a business, whatsoever. I will hang up and listen.

2. Florida passes a law

That had nothing to do with Disney...

3. Disney disagreed and made a public statement, commercials, etc against it

And spent millions of dollars funding attacks not just on the law, but on the people that passed it, during an election season. Had their officials tweeted out their personal opinions on the law and not brought the full weight of their corporate identity and the dollars being spent by the PAC behind it, I am sure DS and the leg would have ignored it.

4. DeSantis told them they would regret it

You use your corporation holding a privileged position in Florida to attack the actions of the governor and leg on an issue that has nothing to do with your corporation, and you expect them not to react? How charmingly naive of you...

5. Florida legislature also threatens

See #4 above.

6. Florida THEN passes a bill at the urging of DeSantis that harms Disney.

It may harm Disney, but it does not do so in a way that discriminates against them. They just get treated like every other theme park and business in the state. The bill was passed legally and nothing in it violates the agreement made with Disney 5 decades ago.

7. Trump calls out DeSantis on this

Trump is an idiot

8. TDS yells reeeeeee, Trump is a groomer.

? Haven't seen that articular reeee.

Look, for 5 decades Disney stayed out of politics that did not affect them. Now, for whatever reason, they decided to jump in with both feet on an issue that doesn't affect them at all. Doing so has clearly impacted Disney negatively financially and probably violated the fiduciary duty Disney owes to their shareholders. The result of what they did was clearly predictable, yet everybody acts surprised that it happened. Disney screwed up, and everybody who loves Biden wants to blame DS for the entirely predictable consequences for what they did. They held a privileged position for 50 years because they stayed out of politics. Had they considered the value of what they stood to gain against what they stood to lose, they would have never taken a side on a law that didn't affect them. But they did, and here we are...and you somehow think DS is the one who is doing something wrong?

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You have to be pretty deep in the Libertarian Pool to say that a state government shouldn't regulate public transportation for safety purposes. Of course they have the ability to shut down the Monorail, my point is that is not something they would do lightly without a very real safety concern. If they did I would agree with you that is overreach but that would seem highly unlikely. I'm trying to think of any other form of public transport that doesn't involve having the mode of transportation inspected by a government authority when thousands of people ride it daily and can't imagine what that would be. I was surprised to see Disney got to do their own inspections without any oversight.

I get it, you think Disney is beyond reproach and would never do anything that would endanger passengers for business reasons. Neither do any transportation system though. The Monorail is also quite a bit different from an amusement ride because you step on and off without supervision for instance. Either way making sure they are safe is hardly controversial and is consistent with the overall principle of not allowing Disney to govern itself in a way that other companies cannot.

Obviously we will just agree to disagree, I just think it's an odd thing of all the parts of this story that the State of Florida being able to make sure the Monorail is safe is so abhorrent.

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I see you just ignore the fact its an amusement park ride and not public transportation.

Try again. When you premise your argument on feelings and not facts, you will lose every single time.

I take it you have never ridden the monorail, because there are multiple attendants and constant video surveillance, both from the central park monitoring and by the pilot of the individual Monorail trains.

If you are all for this new form of amusement park oversight, then why are you not addressing the lack of oversight of the Harry Potter train at Universal?

If Florida wants to regulate amusement park rides at these parks, then pass legislation that truly treats them all fairly. That's allegedly what is being done with RCID. Then you have this which is targeted specifically at Disney, and at a key element of their park experience, with the express language they have sole authority to shut it down anytime they want.

Take your RonnieD glasses off and realize this is just a poor, petty move. I could see if the Monorail had a sketch safety record. It does not.

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The Harry Potter "train" is a ride and should be regulated as such
The entire ride is within the park
That being said obviously the new statute is designed to give FDOT oversight
Whether it is needed or an RD flex is debatable

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Monorail is entirely within Disney. Its dedicated transportation within the Disney envelope, and its funded by and maintained by Disney for the exclusive use of Disney guests.

Why do you think they wrote the language they way they did? Why not cover the choo choo train that goes around the Magic Kingdom?

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You have to be pretty deep in the Libertarian Pool to say that a state government shouldn't regulate public transportation for safety purposes. Of course they have the ability to shut down the Monorail, my point is that is not something they would do lightly without a very real safety concern. If they did I would agree with you that is overreach but that would seem highly unlikely. I'm trying to think of any other form of public transport that doesn't involve having the mode of transportation inspected by a government authority when thousands of people ride it daily and can't imagine what that would be. I was surprised to see Disney got to do their own inspections without any oversight.

I get it, you think Disney is beyond reproach and would never do anything that would endanger passengers for business reasons. Neither do any transportation system though. The Monorail is also quite a bit different from an amusement ride because you step on and off without supervision for instance. Either way making sure they are safe is hardly controversial and is consistent with the overall principle of not allowing Disney to govern itself in a way that other companies cannot.

Obviously we will just agree to disagree, I just think it's an odd thing of all the parts of this story that the State of Florida being able to make sure the Monorail is safe is so abhorrent.

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I see you just ignore the fact its an amusement park ride and not public transportation.

Try again. When you premise your argument on feelings and not facts, you will lose every single time.

I take it you have never ridden the monorail, because there are multiple attendants and constant video surveillance, both from the central park monitoring and by the pilot of the individual Monorail trains.

If you are all for this new form of amusement park oversight, then why are you not addressing the lack of oversight of the Harry Potter train at Universal?

If Florida wants to regulate amusement park rides at these parks, then pass legislation that truly treats them all fairly. That's allegedly what is being done with RCID. Then you have this which is targeted specifically at Disney, and at a key element of their park experience, with the express language they have sole authority to shut it down anytime they want.

Take your RonnieD glasses off and realize this is just a poor, petty move. I could see if the Monorail had a sketch safety record. It does not.

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I have ridden the Monorail, you are not secured onto it the same way as an amusement ride. Amusement rides are also regulated. If Universal has a train that is also not regulated or inspected by anyone from the state then that's a good point if that is the case. Any transportation of large amounts of people should be regulated for safety. While technically the Monorail is for Disney guests that is still public transportation.

I never said that this wasn't political, I said it was legal and reasonable. Of course politics are in play and DeSantis used not only this issue but the fact a lot of people resent Disney in Florida to his advantage and got it done. He is good at politics. At the very worst to me you have DeSantis smacking Disney on the hand and making sure they understand they need to stay out of not only politics that don't impact them as a business but encouraging grooming of children.

Obviously we are going to agree to disagree for the most part. I understand your points but we aren't going to solve it.

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While technically the Monorail is for Disney guests that is still public transportation.

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Hogwarts Express is essentially a ride as you have to pay the park entrace fee in order to ride it.

There is no charge to ride on the Monorail.

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I have ridden the Monorail, you are not secured onto it the same way as an amusement ride. Amusement rides are also regulated. If Universal has a train that is also not regulated or inspected by anyone from the state then that's a good point if that is the case. Any transportation of large amounts of people should be regulated for safety. While technically the Monorail is for Disney guests that is still public transportation.

I never said that this wasn't political, I said it was legal and reasonable. Of course politics are in play and DeSantis used not only this issue but the fact a lot of people resent Disney in Florida to his advantage and got it done. He is good at politics. At the very worst to me you have DeSantis smacking Disney on the hand and making sure they understand they need to stay out of not only politics that don't impact them as a business but encouraging grooming of children.

Obviously we are going to agree to disagree for the most part. I understand your points but we aren't going to solve it.

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You always pull the lap bar down and buckle your seatbelt on Its a Small World? Oh wait, it doesn't have anything like that. Guess DeSantis may need to look into those transportation systems as well.

I mentioned it earlier and you seem to have a knack for ignoring inconvenient information.

Amusement park rides are regulated by the Florida Department of Agriculture. With a nice little carve out for the big guys.

https://www.fdacs.gov/Business-Services/Fairs/Fair-Rides-Inspection

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How did you come to conclude the Monorail is public transportation? Are the vehicles used in Kilimanjaro Safaris public transportation as well? The parking lot trams?

I will have to dig a little on the water taxis. Both Disney and Universal use these for resort transportation. They may be under a federal regulation or a different state regulation given their capacity and requirements for certain safety mechanisms such as lifejackets.

I kind of like the Harry Potter versus Mickey Mouse aspect to the whole thing.

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I kind of like the Harry Potter versus Mickey Mouse aspect to the whole thing.

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You've never seen the unreleased "Runaway Brain" starring Cujo MIckey Mouse.

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I have ridden the Monorail, you are not secured onto it the same way as an amusement ride. Amusement rides are also regulated. If Universal has a train that is also not regulated or inspected by anyone from the state then that's a good point if that is the case. Any transportation of large amounts of people should be regulated for safety. While technically the Monorail is for Disney guests that is still public transportation.

I never said that this wasn't political, I said it was legal and reasonable. Of course politics are in play and DeSantis used not only this issue but the fact a lot of people resent Disney in Florida to his advantage and got it done. He is good at politics. At the very worst to me you have DeSantis smacking Disney on the hand and making sure they understand they need to stay out of not only politics that don't impact them as a business but encouraging grooming of children.

Obviously we are going to agree to disagree for the most part. I understand your points but we aren't going to solve it.

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You always pull the lap bar down and buckle your seatbelt on Its a Small World? Oh wait, it doesn't have anything like that. Guess DeSantis may need to look into those transportation systems as well.

I mentioned it earlier and you seem to have a knack for ignoring inconvenient information.

Amusement park rides are regulated by the Florida Department of Agriculture. With a nice little carve out for the big guys.

https://www.fdacs.gov/Business-Services/Fairs/Fair-Rides-Inspection

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The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (FDACS) has statewide responsibility to inspect all amusement rides in Florida, except for those at large parks that have more than 1,000 employees and have full-time inspectors on staff.

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How did you come to conclude the Monorail is public transportation? Are the vehicles used in Kilimanjaro Safaris public transportation as well? The parking lot trams?

I will have to dig a little on the water taxis. Both Disney and Universal use these for resort transportation. They may be under a federal regulation or a different state regulation given their capacity and requirements for certain safety mechanisms such as lifejackets.

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Yes, amusement park rides are regulated as you pointed out. We agree on that. Virtually all things that involve the public riding on something are regulated for safety to an extent, the question is how much and by who. I think it is well within the purview of the State Legislature to decide what they think should be regulated and how when the public rides on them. Is that different in terms of how much it is regulated on a City Bus vs a train ride? Sure, that is up to the People and their Representatives to decide though.

The best point you made though is if Universal's ride is not regulated at all that would be a fair point. I don't know how that works. I just don't think any private company that has people riding on their equipment for transportation should be immune to reasonable regulation of that equipment. If they are JUST doing it to Disney that's kind of crappy but it's also politics. I don't like it but I am not going to feel very sorry for Disney if they FAFO and are being taught a bit of a lesson.

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Yes, amusement park rides are regulated as you pointed out. We agree on that. Virtually all things that involve the public riding on something are regulated for safety to an extent, the question is how much and by who. I think it is well within the purview of the State Legislature to decide what they think should be regulated and how when the public rides on them. Is that different in terms of how much it is regulated on a City Bus vs a train ride? Sure, that is up to the People and their Representatives to decide though.

The best point you made though is if Universal's ride is not regulated at all that would be a fair point. I don't know how that works. I just don't think any private company that has people riding on their equipment for transportation should be immune to reasonable regulation of that equipment. If they are JUST doing it to Disney that's kind of crappy but it's also politics. I don't like it but I am not going to feel very sorry for Disney if they FAFO and are being taught a bit of a lesson.

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Not asking anyone to feel sorry for Disney, they absolutely brought it on themselves. My criticism is of DeSantis doing this particular, targeted, only for Disney regulation as a chest puffing exercise which muddies up the more legitimate dissolving of RCID.

I literally provided the link to how amusement park rides are regulated. The Hairy Potter train connects two parks through a backstage area - exactly as the Monorail does. Monorail is a theme park ride, not part of the public transportation infrastructure (Brightline would be considered public transportation).

There is no "if" regarding whether they are doing this to just Disney. They are, its also been linked and excerpted for you.

Never said DeSantis and the FL lege didn't have the "right" to regulate the Monorail. But they are applying a new law created just for Disney and for no other legit purpose other than ****ing with Disney. Its a poor look for RonnieD. He should do better.

Right, amusement rides are regulated.

I know Universal has a similar system, the question is what level of regulation does it have? If it has zero that's a good point. I haven't seen anything saying it has zero regulation or oversight though merely that it has a similar system. This law does not address the Universal ride but I don't know that the Universal ride isn't already covered by something else. If it isn't that's a good point that the Disney action was harsher.

In the end though this is still really minor stuff. BTW, I can't imagine why any Disney stockholder would want any of this. They should be playing nice with DeSantis considering he has a lot of power over them but instead they seem to want to try to spend a lot of time and money trying to piss him and the Legislature off as much as possible. They are losing a LOT of money right now and every time this comes up in the press it hurts their brand because of the end subject matter. I mean are they trying to get every Republican and their families to avoid Disney? People are already cancelling subscriptions in droves. I just don't understand how this is a good idea for them unless making money simply isn't something they are concerned with.

Anyway, like I said we are never going to agree on this and the point has gone on far too long. You brought up some interesting points and that's fine, I just see it from a different angle and that's ok.

We may not agree, but you could at least be genuine in the discussion.

https://www.fdacs.gov/Business-Services/Fairs/Fair-Rides-Inspection

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The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (FDACS) has statewide responsibility to inspect all amusement rides in Florida, except for those at large parks that have more than 1,000 employees and have full-time inspectors on staff.

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Disney, Universal, Sea World and others with over 1,000 employees and with their own inspectors oversee themselves.

The thread topic is why the war on Disney is a big mistake for DeSantis. Much talk made about just bringing Disney in line with others by taking over RCID. Then they take it one step further and target a main element of Disney.

Believe they also made some mention of targeting the onsite hotels / resorts. They can do what they want within the laws, but I think in this particular instance with the Monorail, its a poor look and I think ultimately a mistake by DeSantis and friends. You say you are willing to admit that DeSantis is capable of error, but it really doesn't seem that way.

Disney will use the money more efficiently than government.

Should give more companies more freedom. Not less.

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We may not agree, but you could at least be genuine in the discussion.

https://www.fdacs.gov/Business-Services/Fairs/Fair-Rides-Inspection

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The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (FDACS) has statewide responsibility to inspect all amusement rides in Florida, except for those at large parks that have more than 1,000 employees and have full-time inspectors on staff.

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Disney, Universal, Sea World and others with over 1,000 employees and with their own inspectors oversee themselves.

The thread topic is why the war on Disney is a big mistake for DeSantis. Much talk made about just bringing Disney in line with others by taking over RCID. Then they take it one step further and target a main element of Disney.

Believe they also made some mention of targeting the onsite hotels / resorts. They can do what they want within the laws, but I think in this particular instance with the Monorail, its a poor look and I think ultimately a mistake by DeSantis and friends. You say you are willing to admit that DeSantis is capable of error, but it really doesn't seem that way.

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I will admit (and have) that DeSantis is making this political to an extent. I guess maybe I misread the statute on amusement rides, that seems odd to me but I don't know if maybe the inspectors have to have some level of certification or training. I admit I am not an expert on FL law either so I am fine with admitting that I may have been wrong.

I don't however think this is a mistake because I think DeSantis is making a broader point on corporations abusing their power and trying to involve themselves in areas way outside their business model. It's consistent with DeSantis' other positions on ESG and of course Grooming. That's where we agree to disagree most of all. I see this as being so much bigger than even the Grooming law, this is more similar to the Bud Light thing where Corporations need to pay a price for this Woke garbage and start to fear public and government backlash for pushing this crap on my kids. They sure as hell are way over the line in schools already imo and we need to push back or it will only get worse. I'm tired of ceding ground to get along with the Left, they only want destruction.

I am all for Disney having consequences for not only meddling in the FL politics (and on a national level) and for them to lose business due to woke.

I like Disney at its purist, and hell I didn't mind the gay pride stuff. But to your point, when they started on a methodical path to shove it down everyone's gender fluid non binary cis male / female trans gullets, it's gone way too far.

Particularly since they do that **** here then do the flip I'm China and censor out everything not approved by the political powers there.

DeSantis has a bit of a tight rope to walk with getting a resolution on the Disney conflict. He's not always going to have the power he has now and he will have to compromise to be effective.

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DeSantis has a bit of a tight rope to walk with getting a resolution on the Disney conflict. He's not always going to have the power he has now and he will have to compromise to be effective.

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Compromise on what?

And Republicans repeatedly "compromising" has led us here.

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DeSantis has a bit of a tight rope to walk with getting a resolution on the Disney conflict. He's not always going to have the power he has now and he will have to compromise to be effective.

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Compromise on what?

And Republicans repeatedly "compromising" has led us here.

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I'm curious about this statement as well, fka. If you've truly looked at all of the legal arguments, watched the videos Hawg has posted, understand what's truly happening, what exactly will Desantis need to compromise on?

And expand please on the tightrope he'll supposedly have to walk.

I should have been clearer. I meant as POTUS, he is going to have to compromise.

Right now, he holds essentially all the power v Disney. But the best result will be from finessing that leverage, not using it as a caveman club.