DeSantis is one hell of a candidate. I can't wait for the announcement.

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Anybody the Lincoln Project is against is probably somebody you should consider voting for. Much like Jim Cramer and Paul Krugman, they are pretty much wrong on every issue they take a side.

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So, since the Lincoln Project was formed FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE TO HURT TRUMP, does that mean we should consider voting for Trump?

I think just about every poster here has said something similar.

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Anybody the Lincoln Project is against is probably somebody you should consider voting for. Much like Jim Cramer and Paul Krugman, they are pretty much wrong on every issue they take a side.

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So, since the Lincoln Project was formed FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE TO HURT TRUMP, does that mean we should consider voting for Trump?

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Not since they are on the same side as trump attacking Desantis right now. They are basically the equivalent of the Concerned ModeratesTM on Texags that are always telling us how conservative they are, but how they just can't seem to find a way to support whoever is the leading candidate on the Republican side. They weren't formed to attack Trump, they were formed to convince independents and moderate Rs to vote democrat. Trump just happened to be the first target.

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Not since they are on the same side as trump attacking Desantis right now.

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So, anyone that thinks particular move by DeSantis was pretty dumb is the same as the Lincoln Project?

OK, sure. You go with that.

Disney's decision to jump into politics around human sexuality was a terrible decision/huge mistake.

DeSantis signing legislation and responding appropriately to a huge company claiming they deserve ongoing special tax treatment and a self-governing relationship based on some sort of development commitments they never fulfilled from the 50's, was not.

The Lincoln Project are a bunch of dishonest hacks who deserve to be viewed with scorn and disdain.

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Anybody the Lincoln Project is against is probably somebody you should consider voting for. Much like Jim Cramer and Paul Krugman, they are pretty much wrong on every issue they take a side.

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So, since the Lincoln Project was formed FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE TO HURT TRUMP, does that mean we should consider voting for Trump?

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In the end which side are you picking in this. DeSantis is fighting and winning against the Groomers and you are either for it or against it. DeSantis is willing to do whatever he has to in order to win that fight. It's sad Trump would rather try and get a cheap political talking point on DeSantis rather than stand up to these folks. That's fine though, he has picked his side.

For an entire year, the corporate media lied, smeared, and attacked Ron DeSantis for fighting to protect children’s innocence.

So what did DeSantis do? He doubled down. pic.twitter.com/4yeZhOjixN

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) May 19, 2023

Interesting take on Fox this morning regarding the potential for Youngkin and Noem to toss their hats in the race, along with Tim Scott and even Christ Christie.

The comment was whether folks like Noem and Youngkin see weakness in DeSantis and think they can do better.

I think its very premature to think this is a 2-horse race this early in the game.

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I will always take the side of freedom. My dad was military, and when I was young he said he was figting for free speech. Back then, flag burning was a thing and caused tempers to fly. He told me he fought for the right to do that. He was a lifelong democrat, but I finally convinced him to ditch that worthless group. He actually ended up donating money to both Trump and Ted Cruz.

I screamed loudly when Obama decided to weaponize the government and had his goons target conservatives with his IRS because they had a different political belief.

I screamed loudly when Biden went after parents expressing their free speech rights at school board meetings and all the BS he's done to weaponize the government against the people he's supposed to serve.

And, I don't like DeSantis throwing the weight of the government at Disney for a TV ad. Disney's grooming bull**** has cost them alot of money, and hope it costs them alot more.

For the record, there are alot of things I don't like that Trump does either.

Messing with the Mouse is a poor political decision. America is about business and Disney knows business. And has the lawyers to back it up. I'm enjoying watching this blow up in meatball Ron's face.

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Interesting take on Fox this morning regarding the potential for Youngkin and Noem to toss their hats in the race, along with Tim Scott and even Christ Christie.

The comment was whether folks like Noem and Youngkin see weakness in DeSantis and think they can do better.

I think its very premature to think this is a 2-horse race this early in the game.

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Running for President, even losing the primary, is profitable.

All they will do is ensure Trump wins the primary with only his base (same thing happened in 2016) and then gets crushed, along with Republicans down ballot, in the general.

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Messing with the Mouse is a poor political decision. America is about business and Disney knows business. And has the lawyers to back it up. I'm enjoying watching this blow up in meatball Ron's face.

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You mean the lawyers that committed securities fraud during the Reedy Creek bond offerings? Because the guy that did that is the decades long General Counsel for WDW.

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Messing with the Mouse is a poor political decision. America is about business and Disney knows business. And has the lawyers to back it up. I'm enjoying watching this blow up in meatball Ron's face.

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And if Disney had been fighting DeSantis against him imposing vaccine mandates, you would be cheering for DeSantis.

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Interesting take on Fox this morning regarding the potential for Youngkin and Noem to toss their hats in the race, along with Tim Scott and even Christ Christie.

The comment was whether folks like Noem and Youngkin see weakness in DeSantis and think they can do better.

I think its very premature to think this is a 2-horse race this early in the game.

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Running for President, even losing the primary, is profitable.

All they will do is ensure Trump wins the primary with only his base (same thing happened in 2016) and then gets crushed, along with Republicans down ballot, in the general.

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Good point. Let's have the Dems put Trump in the SuperMax and ask all other candidates to stand down so DeSantis can be anointed as next POTUS.

I know candidates toss their hat in for money and political leverage when they have no true shot at getting the nomination. But strange things happen.

I say we go ahead and have the primaries and see who gets the most delegates for the R nomination.

Actually, he's taking on Reedy Creek Improvement District, not Disney.

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Actually, he's taking on Reedy Creek Improvement District, not Disney.

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Taking on the monorail has nothing to do with RCID. That was a direct attack on WDW itself, and a line I think he was ill advised to cross.

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Interesting take on Fox this morning regarding the potential for Youngkin and Noem to toss their hats in the race, along with Tim Scott and even Christ Christie.

The comment was whether folks like Noem and Youngkin see weakness in DeSantis and think they can do better.

I think its very premature to think this is a 2-horse race this early in the game.

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Running for President, even losing the primary, is profitable.

All they will do is ensure Trump wins the primary with only his base (same thing happened in 2016) and then gets crushed, along with Republicans down ballot, in the general.

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Good point. Let's have the Dems put Trump in the SuperMax and ask all other candidates to stand down so DeSantis can be anointed as next POTUS.

I know candidates toss their hat in for money and political leverage when they have no true shot at getting the nomination. But strange things happen.

I say we go ahead and have the primaries and see who gets the most delegates for the R nomination.

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Typical response I would expect from you.

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And DeSantis and friends are making not so veiled threats at Disney to shutdown Monorail and Skyliner transportation anytime they wish for as long as they wish for "inspection'.

The tit for tat is bad for both parties. But potentially worse for DeSantis. MSM is not going to get all jones up over the Uyghurs (see NBA). However, showing a bunch of big folks sweating in July Orlando heat waiting on busses because someone is playing games with the monorail… well, that's just right up their alley for sensationalizing things.

I still support DeSantis trying to get this worked out rather than dragging it out.

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Is Desantis from NJ??

You don't think your comments are what folks would typically expect from you?

But you are right, I have been absolutely consistent in saying I like RonnieD, would likely vote for him over Trump in primary, Vivek is most interesting to me at the moment.

And that I would like to see our primary process progress without undue influence and foregone conclusions.

Man, what a crazy wild take I have….

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And DeSantis and friends are making not so veiled threats at Disney to shutdown Monorail and Skyliner transportation anytime they wish for as long as they wish for "inspection'.

The tit for tat is bad for both parties. But potentially worse for DeSantis. MSM is not going to get all jones up over the Uyghurs (see NBA). However, showing a bunch of big folks sweating in July Orlando heat waiting on busses because someone is playing games with the monorail… well, that's just right up their alley for sensationalizing things.

I still support DeSantis trying to get this worked out rather than dragging it out.

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Odd comment. I think he was born and raised in Florida. What does Jersey have to do with anything?

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Taking on the monorail has nothing to do with RCID. That was a direct attack on WDW itself, and a line I think he was ill advised to cross.

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What did DeSantis do to attack the monorail? I can't say I remember what was actually done.

https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2023/05/12/new-law-signed-by-desantis-hands-disney-monorail-inspections-over-to-fdot/

Andrew's (Legal Mindset) take:

Subject it to state inspections. I know it's horrible disservice to the visitors of Disney to make sure it's safe.

After 50 years and a couple of accidents that led to extensive safety improvements. Sure seems like the situation required intervention from FDOT to ensure Disney maintains safe transportation for their paying guests. Makes sense. Not political at all.

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OK, warning. Serious post.

I will always take the side of freedom. My dad was military, and when I was young he said he was figting for free speech. Back then, flag burning was a thing and caused tempers to fly. He told me he fought for the right to do that. He was a lifelong democrat, but I finally convinced him to ditch that worthless group. He actually ended up donating money to both Trump and Ted Cruz.

I screamed loudly when Obama decided to weaponize the government and had his goons target conservatives with his IRS because they had a different political belief.

I screamed loudly when Biden went after parents expressing their free speech rights at school board meetings and all the BS he's done to weaponize the government against the people he's supposed to serve.

And, I don't like DeSantis throwing the weight of the government at Disney for a TV ad. Disney's grooming bull**** has cost them alot of money, and hope it costs them alot more.

For the record, there are alot of things I don't like that Trump does either.

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Disney did a lot more than a TV ad and came directly after DeSantis during the runup to an election. When a company goes directly after a politician during election season to try to get him thrown out of office, it is absurd to think that he won't respond in kind. Disney picked a fight on an issue where they had no skin in the game. Remember, this wasn't a law that affected Disney's gay cast members. It was just a law saying that teachers were not to discuss sexual topics (including alternate gender identities) with kids younger than 3rd grade. That had nothing to do with Disney and Disney decided to use it as an excuse to throw their weight at trying to get rid of DeSantis.

So if an airline went over 60 years without a crash, you wouldn't want it to be subject to inspections? Interesting

It would seem that the airline has a fantastic safety record and internal controls and programs to achieve such a stellar safety record. Why would we then want government inspections on said airline?

I tend to be for less government bureaucracy but if that's what you want, then DeSantis may be your guy.

This was done in response to his fight with Disney (one Disney started). It's not like it was done in response to an incident.

It also would be like inspecting your straw man airline but only inspecting that airline, using a certain type of plane, operating in a certain location.

Something tells me you did not read any article or the bill on this particular item. Learning is fundamental.

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After 50 years and a couple of accidents that led to extensive safety improvements. Sure seems like the situation required intervention from FDOT to ensure Disney maintains safe transportation for their paying guests. Makes sense. Not political at all.

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Your obsession with the Monorail is kind of weird. It's all in the same theme as the rest of the regulations that is making Disney operate the same way as any other company. They still have some special privileges but they are subject to oversight. The Monorail has also been something that is a sore point for a lot of folks because it should have outside inspectors like any other transportation.

Your ignorance on the monorail / skylines issue is impressive.

The new bill was written to only apply to these two specific transportation systems.

Disney may make some stupid business decisions, but killing and injuring park guests is not part of the company's core policies.

But I get it, DeSaintus is incapable of making an error and all his agenda items are to be free from any and all criticism.

BREAKING: Disney Parks chairman Josh D’Amaro reveals plans by @Disney to invest $17 billion over the next decade to the existing properties in Orlando. D’Amaro estimates the creation of 13,000 new jobs in Orlando. pic.twitter.com/NickxVVBuD

— Florida Grand (@florida_grand) May 19, 2023

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Not since they are on the same side as trump attacking Desantis right now.

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Where do you think I claimed that? I think the LP tweet attack on DeSantis is just what they do. They attack whoever the republican frontrunner is and try to make him look unattractive in the hopes that moderates and independents won't vote for them. They had staffers holding torches show up pretending to be Glenn Youngkin supporters. Their co-founder was run off after it came out that he had a long track record of sexually harassing young men. I think they are a natural ally for Disney given their shared interested in grooming. The fact that they are on the same side as Trump in attacking DeSantis is just an indication that Trump is wrong too, but LP is pretty much always on the wrong side.

The financial struggles of Disney are related to their own poor choices and forgetting the basis of how they gained their audience. They used to be seen as a safe babysitter to sit kids in front of their tv programming. Now that they are open in admitting how they are adding gay content to kid's programming, a lot of parents no longer feel like they can leave their kid unattended with a TV set to Disney. They are cutting back on projects like their new campus and the Space Ship (or whatever it is called) because they are cutting costs due to losing money in lots of areas of their business, not because of something DeSantis did.

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BREAKING: Disney Parks chairman Josh D’Amaro reveals plans by @Disney to invest $17 billion over the next decade to the existing properties in Orlando. D’Amaro estimates the creation of 13,000 new jobs in Orlando. pic.twitter.com/NickxVVBuD

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Disney cutting costs.
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Disney also has to complete the Hulu deal within the next year. Need to buy out Comcast's interest in Hulu.

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Unless i"m mistaken, it's the only monorail in the state. Doesn't FDOT have the ability to inspect passenger trains like Brightline in the state? If so, it just brings monorail in line with the rest of passenger train with regards to safety inspections.