Franklin Comes Alive! said:
Desantis seems like a viable future candidate, but with no foreign policy, no tax policy, etc it's kinda hard to throw full support at a candidate w so many unknowns…. It'd be like blindly following a cult leader at this point to throw full support at Desantis….
Franklin Comes Alive! said:
Yep
I currently prefer Trump based on his proven track record
Desantis seems like a viable future candidate, but with no foreign policy, no tax policy, etc it's kinda hard to throw full support at a candidate w so many unknowns…. It'd be like blindly following a cult leader at this point to throw full support at Desantis….
But we'll see soon enough if Desantis chooses to present his game plan
SamjamAg said:
I used to think a successful governorship meant experience and demonstrated policy. Times have changed.
This is interesting. But would you concede that pretty much every candidate for office outside of Biden, GHWB, or any other VP would have limited foreign policy or federal tax experience.Franklin Comes Alive! said:
Yep
I currently prefer Trump based on his proven track record
Desantis seems like a viable future candidate, but with no foreign policy, no tax policy, etc it's kinda hard to throw full support at a candidate w so many unknowns…. It'd be like blindly following a cult leader at this point to throw full support at Desantis….
But we'll see soon enough if Desantis chooses to present his game plan
Wyoming said:
Trump.
Trump can inspire the people. People will drive hundred of miles to a Trump campaign rally. I just don't see deSantis bringing that same level of enthusiasm.
I don't think DeSantis will be some great leader like Ronald Reagan was, or anywhere close. DeSantis is also a little young, and Trump has a ton more life experience and of course experience in the White House.
I think Trump is going to blow him out in the debates too
having said all that, I think DeSantis is more electable in the general election, just not in the primary.
You do realize that Trump is the exact same age as Biden was four years ago? When we all said he was too old?Wyoming said:
DeSantis is also a little young, and Trump has a ton more life experience and of course experience in the White House.
While in the House, DeSantis Chaired the Subcommittee on National Security as a part of the Oversight Committee and he served on the Foreign Affairs Committee. He also sponsored multiple tax bills and had pretty deep budget experience for not actually serving on the Committee. He also served on Judiciary.Franklin Comes Alive! said:
Yep
I currently prefer Trump based on his proven track record
Desantis seems like a viable future candidate, but with no foreign policy, no tax policy, etc it's kinda hard to throw full support at a candidate w so many unknowns…. It'd be like blindly following a cult leader at this point to throw full support at Desantis….
But we'll see soon enough if Desantis chooses to present his game plan
Waltonloads08 said:Wyoming said:
Trump.
Trump can inspire the people. People will drive hundred of miles to a Trump campaign rally. I just don't see deSantis bringing that same level of enthusiasm.
I don't think DeSantis will be some great leader like Ronald Reagan was, or anywhere close. DeSantis is also a little young, and Trump has a ton more life experience and of course experience in the White House.
I think Trump is going to blow him out in the debates too
having said all that, I think DeSantis is more electable in the general election, just not in the primary.
Interesting, I am curious why you think Trump "blows him out" in debates? RD seems like a sharp guy that would be well prepared. Have to disagree on 44 being too young, frankly I think Trump and Biden both have an age problem- neither is as sharp as they were at 44. Thanks for the comments.
A bit more just from his Wiki that is edited by liberals, he accomplished about as much as you will find for a 3 term Congressman and he is deeply principled, he followed his own term limits guidelines and refused a Congressional Pension:aggie93 said:While in the House, DeSantis Chaired the Subcommittee on National Security as a part of the Oversight Committee and he served on the Foreign Affairs Committee. He also sponsored multiple tax bills and had pretty deep budget experience for not actually serving on the Committee. He also served on Judiciary.Franklin Comes Alive! said:
Yep
I currently prefer Trump based on his proven track record
Desantis seems like a viable future candidate, but with no foreign policy, no tax policy, etc it's kinda hard to throw full support at a candidate w so many unknowns…. It'd be like blindly following a cult leader at this point to throw full support at Desantis….
But we'll see soon enough if Desantis chooses to present his game plan
He's insanely well rounded and experienced for being 44, all of that was before he was Governor and after he served in the military including a tour in Afghanistan (which would also seem to be Foreign Policy experience).
Quote:
DeSantis signed a 2013 pledge sponsored by Americans for Prosperity vowing to vote against any global warming legislation that would raise taxes. He introduced the Faithful Execution of the Law Act of 2014, which did not become law but would have required the United States Department of Justice to report to Congress whenever any federal agency refrains from enforcing laws for any reason. In 2015, DeSantis was a founding member of the Freedom Caucus, a group of congressional conservatives and libertarians.
DeSantis opposes gun control. He received an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association. He generally opposes firearm regulation, saying, "Very rarely do firearms restrictions affect criminals. They really only affect law-abiding citizens.
DeSantis was a critic of Obama's immigration policies; he opposed Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) and accused Obama of failing to enforce immigration laws. He co-sponsored the Establishing Mandatory Minimums for Illegal Reentry Act of 2015, also known as Kate's Law, which would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to increase penalties applicable to aliens who unlawfully reenter the U.S. after being removed. DeSantis encouraged Florida sheriffs to cooperate with the federal government on immigration-related issues.
In 2016, DeSantis introduced the Higher Education Reform and Opportunity Act, which would allow states to create their own accreditation systems. In an op-ed for National Review, he said his legislation would give students "access to federal loan money to put towards non-traditional educational opportunities, such as online learning courses, vocational schools, and apprenticeships in skilled trades".
In 2016, DeSantis received a "0" rating from the Human Rights Campaign for his voting record on LGBT-related issues and legislation.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_DeSantis#cite_note-59][58][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_DeSantis#cite_note-60][59][/url] Two years later, he told the Sun-Sentinel that he "doesn't want any discrimination in Florida, I want people to be able to live their life, whether you're gay or whether you're religious."
DeSantis was present before the June 2017 congressional baseball shooting, and the perpetrator asked him whether the players were Republicans Later that summer, DeSantis proposed legislation to end funding by November of that year for the Mueller investigation of President Trump. He said that the DOJ order dated May 17, 2017, "didn't identify a crime to be investigated" and was likely to start a fishing expedition. House Republican leaders did not allow DeSantis's amendment to proceed to the floor for a vote.
Fiscal policy
DeSantis has said that the debate over how to reduce the federal deficit should shift emphasis from tax increases to curtailing spending and triggering economic growth. He supports a "no budget no pay" policy for Congress to encourage the passage of a budget. He believes the Federal Reserve System should be audited.
In the wake of the alleged IRS targeting controversy, DeSantis called for IRS commissioner John Koskinen's resignation for having "failed the American people by frustrating Congress's attempts to ascertain the truth". He co-sponsored a bill to impeach Koskinen for violating the public's trust. Citizens Against Government Waste, a conservative think tank, named DeSantis a "Taxpayer Superhero" in 2015.
He supported the Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny (REINS) Act, which would require that regulations that have a significant economic impact be subject to a vote of Congress prior to taking effect.
DeSantis introduced the Let Seniors Work Act, which would repeal the Retirement Earnings Test and exempt senior citizens from the 12.4% Social Security payroll tax, and co-sponsored a measure to eliminate taxes on Social Security benefits.
He sponsored the Transportation Empowerment Act, which would transfer much of the responsibility for transportation projects to the states and sharply reduce the federal gas tax.
DeSantis has opposed legislation to require online retailers to collect and pay state sales tax.
He voted for the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. He said the bill would bring a "dramatically lower tax rate", "full expensing of capital investments", and more jobs to America.
Congressional pensions and term limits
DeSantis opted not to receive his congressional pension, and filed a measure that would eliminate pensions for members of Congress. After introducing the End Pensions in Congress Act, DeSantis said, "The Founding Fathers envisioned elected officials as part of a servant class, yet Washington has evolved into a ruling class culture."
DeSantis supports a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on members of Congress, so that U.S. representatives would be limited to three terms and senators to two. As of 2022, he has serve three terms as a U.S. representative.
I'm not saying who I'm voting for in the primary because this feud is dividing conservatives into separate tribes and creating a chasm between the two camps. As both sides attack each other instead of Biden and the dems, then people will become more entrenched and will refuse to vote for the other guy should he be the nominee, which is exactly what the dems want.Waltonloads08 said:
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Honest question, and could you explain why? Not looking for a fight, I just want to understand.
Thanks.
It would certainly be entertaining. Democrats would probably impeach him 2 or 3 more times just out of pure spite.Funky Winkerbean said:
Yes..
I want a second term Trump wreaking havoc on the ass clowns that have used government agencies as political weapons against him. It's a precedent that must be confronted and controlled.
I don't like how old he is and I don't like that he, like so many, seem to have forgotten the train that's been run on this country from the left. I figure his narrative will heat up as we near primaries and I'll decide from there. I believe DeSantis is a phenomenal candidate, but think Trump is better suited to do what I want done.
I know, **** in one hand..
Funky Winkerbean said:
His base doesn't care one iota about his style. Only results.
J. Walter Weatherman said:Funky Winkerbean said:
His base doesn't care one iota about his style. Only results.
I definitely agree overall, was referring to the comment about trump "blowing DeSantis out" in the debates, which seems extremely unrealistic. Unless they have a really different opinion of what wins a debate.
Trump's gift in debating is he talks to the audience and not the stage. He's very good at projecting his personality and landing a zinger. His actual debate discussion skills are mediocre and he can get flustered and get irritated. If he stays calm and relaxed though his entertainer persona comes out and that is him at his best.texagbeliever said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Funky Winkerbean said:
His base doesn't care one iota about his style. Only results.
I definitely agree overall, was referring to the comment about trump "blowing DeSantis out" in the debates, which seems extremely unrealistic. Unless they have a really different opinion of what wins a debate.
I think Trump will have more memorable moments and receive more attention. Id agree that Trump won't out policy talk DeSantis.
This thread doesn't reflect that at all.WestTexasAg04 said:
It's clear that most people of F16 and TD prefer President Trump over RD.
Franklin Comes Alive! said:
Yep
I currently prefer Trump based on his proven track record
Desantis seems like a viable future candidate, but with no foreign policy, no tax policy, etc it's kinda hard to throw full support at a candidate w so many unknowns…. It'd be like blindly following a cult leader at this point to throw full support at Desantis….
But we'll see soon enough if Desantis chooses to present his game plan
taterchip said:
Trump. Not a policy that I don't like. Apparently, Trump is a bigger threat to the Deep State or they would be trying to derail him at every turn. They are are scared of Trump, but I believe, and they do as well, buy Desantis over time.
