Admiral Adama said:

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aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Perhaps it is just the conservative right saying that if you're going to propose unconstitutional laws so the courts can sort them out, so will the conservative right. Let's get an understanding of what is constitutionally protected and what is not.

V8Aggie said:

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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Explain this. What, exactly, are the unintended consequences that you are afraid of? That one day a bunch of groomers will try to gain access to your children in the public schools? Oh wait…

No, I'm not "doing the same thing." I was not even advocating for putting the 10 Commandments in classrooms. I was pointing out that the poster's position is wrong.

But the 10 Commandments in classrooms would be a good start!

I see this as no different than Iran making women wear hijabs. It's all just legislating religion.

Jeeper79 said:

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This is the natural progression of a solid red or solid blue state. Without the party having balanced power, you get people trying to out-red or out-blue each other.

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Pretty much, and in the end, nothing of true consequence changes.

To begin with, this very likely won't survive the courts, but even if it does, then what? It's not this will get rid of gays and trans in the school. They're not going anywhere. It won't keep students from getting guns and doing mass shootings killing innocent children. It won't keep teachers from sexual assaulting students. Etc etc.

If the ten commandments being up was going to keep people from committing crimes then we'd never hear about priests, preachers, pastors, etc committing crimes, but we do.

This, like many on here say about things from the left, seems more like virtue signaling than anything else, a la "culture wars".

The government should not legislate religion.

This is the opposite of small government.

Just no.

Our public schools are failing, our foster system is failing, and thousands of poor Texans are uninsured, but I'm glad to see the TX Senate is focused on the real issues here by pushing that good old fashioned Christian nationalism we all know and love

Many people believe, probably with a lot of truth to it, that the reason the schools are failing is because God was taken out.

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I see this as no different than Iran making women wear hijabs. It's all just legislating religion.

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And I see your secular cult ideology (which is currently in schools) as no less religious or damaging than Islam. So I guess we've come full circle.

Yes, I have kids.

Ideally, we wouldn't need the Ten Commandments on the wall as a reminder to our classrooms or society at all. Separation of church and state and all.

But having watch the absolute loony degenerates take control of so many schools, why not go back on offense? There's a part of me that has had enough of being the quiet Christian family that just keeps letting Islam, anti-Christian hate mongers, trans contagion, and full-on vile crap come at my kids via pop culture and our open school settings. Being virtuous and right has led us to the point we're at now. And I don't like it.

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Many people believe, probably with a lot of truth to it, that the reason the schools are failing is because God was taken out.

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Nice platitude, but it provides no evidence on how forcing schools to display a religious text is going to improve schools or the welfare of students. It's also blatantly unconstitutional.

Just a meaningless platitude to make conservative Christians feel warm and fuzzy inside. They probably think it'll deter the next mass shooting.

aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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And there you have it. The vehicle the left used to deliver their lies...this is how you use the same vehicle against them.

You just want to get married? I just want a copy of the 10 commandments in schools? That'd no bid deal right? In comparison to teaching kids vulgar fetishes?

IslanderAg04 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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1) it's unconstitutional and will lead to lengthy court battles that are a waste of everyone's time.
2) it's going to cause chaos because some teachers will refuse to comply. Not just atheist teachers, but Jews, Muslims, or even Christians who disagree with forcing religion down everyone's throat in schools. That will lead to firings, and more lawsuits.
3) it's unconstitutional
4) you may think this is a good thing but trust me when I say younger generations hate when fundies shove religion down our throats. This will be just another contribution to declining church attendance.
5) it's unconstitutional

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Excellent. Basic catechesis should be an ordinary part of every child's formation.

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All good until these guys show up to talk about morality, God and pious behavior.

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Rossticus said:

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Passed the Senate but will the House kill it? Hadn't heard anything about it till I saw Twitter Libs screeching. Here is one such screecher.

Read more: https://t.co/LVbbYinYim

— Sawyer Hackett (@SawyerHackett) April 21, 2023

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Excellent. Basic catechesis should be an ordinary part of every child's formation.

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In church.

Not school.

barbacoa taco said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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Like what?

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1) it's unconstitutional and will lead to lengthy court battles that are a waste of everyone's time.
2) it's going to cause chaos because some teachers will refuse to comply. Not just atheist teachers, but Jews, Muslims, or even Christians who disagree with forcing religion down everyone's throat in schools. That will lead to firings, and more lawsuits.
3) it's unconstitutional
4) you may think this is a good thing but trust me when I say younger generations hate when fundies shove religion down our throats. This will be just another contribution to declining church attendance.
5) it's unconstitutional

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Oh please why do you care? It's just an irrelevant decoration on a classroom wall? Not everyone is the same as you, and it isn't hurting kids at all? What's the big deal?

Why are you so bigoted & hateful towards different ideas?

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Bob Lee said:

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Excellent. Basic catechesis should be an ordinary part of every child's formation.

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All good until these guys show up to talk about morality, God and pious behavior.

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Now that would be PPV quality entertainment in the more far right school districts. I'd sign up to watch that.

Admiral Adama said:

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You are wrong there. It is a very big deal. It will not pass, but make no mistake, the atheist would never tolerate it in schools, but are fine with Trans story hour in drag.

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This why America is in crazy town right now. I have to take sides between Government requiring Christian ideology being displayed prominently to school children or I have to support men dressing up like women reading to kids. We aren't a serious country if this is what we're fighting about.

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A-freaking men.

Moderates have to pick between the bat**** crazies on either side.

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barbacoa taco said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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Like what?

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1) it's unconstitutional and will lead to lengthy court battles that are a waste of everyone's time.
2) it's going to cause chaos because some teachers will refuse to comply. Not just atheist teachers, but Jews, Muslims, or even Christians who disagree with forcing religion down everyone's throat in schools. That will lead to firings, and more lawsuits.
3) it's unconstitutional
4) you may think this is a good thing but trust me when I say younger generations hate when fundies shove religion down our throats. This will be just another contribution to declining church attendance.
5) it's unconstitutional

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Oh please why do you care? It's just an irrelevant decoration on a classroom wall? Not everyone is the same as you, and it isn't hurting kids at all? What's the big deal?

Why are you so bigoted & hateful towards different ideas?

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You have no defense to this. It's indefensible.

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Now that would be PPV quality entertainment in the more far right school districts. I'd sign up to watch that.

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Me too!
Nothing a good Rabbi cannot fix (snip snip)

Pluralizes Everythings said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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Like what?

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1) it's unconstitutional and will lead to lengthy court battles that are a waste of everyone's time.
2) it's going to cause chaos because some teachers will refuse to comply. Not just atheist teachers, but Jews, Muslims, or even Christians who disagree with forcing religion down everyone's throat in schools. That will lead to firings, and more lawsuits.
3) it's unconstitutional
4) you may think this is a good thing but trust me when I say younger generations hate when fundies shove religion down our throats. This will be just another contribution to declining church attendance.
5) it's unconstitutional

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Oh please why do you care? It's just an irrelevant decoration on a classroom wall? Not everyone is the same as you, and it isn't hurting kids at all? What's the big deal?

Why are you so bigoted & hateful towards different ideas?

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So you want to punish Jews, Hindus and Muslims because you hate gays. Makes perfect sense.

BMX Bandit said:

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Many people believe, probably with a lot of truth to it, that the reason the schools are failing is because God was taken out.

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Definitely some truth to it. I've got a good business mentor who has helped me over the years and is quite a bit older than me that swears it all started when school uniforms went away.

Either way, as a Christian I think this bill is idiotic. It's not the role of government to require people in public institutions be indoctrinated by one religion over another. It will also create an unnecessary culture war battleground when a ton of progress is actually being made fighting back against the LGBTQUIA+++$@# mafia. They went too far with the trans stuff and it's turning off many within their own tent, not to mention unifying many groups of Americans who cross all political spectrums.

barbacoa taco said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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Like what?

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1) it's unconstitutional and will lead to lengthy court battles that are a waste of everyone's time.
2) it's going to cause chaos because some teachers will refuse to comply. Not just atheist teachers, but Jews, Muslims, or even Christians who disagree with forcing religion down everyone's throat in schools. That will lead to firings, and more lawsuits.
3) it's unconstitutional
4) you may think this is a good thing but trust me when I say younger generations hate when fundies shove religion down our throats. This will be just another contribution to declining church attendance.
5) it's unconstitutional

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Call it the "Foundation Lawyers Full Employment Act"

Jeeper79 said:

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Pluralizes Everythings said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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Like what?

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1) it's unconstitutional and will lead to lengthy court battles that are a waste of everyone's time.
2) it's going to cause chaos because some teachers will refuse to comply. Not just atheist teachers, but Jews, Muslims, or even Christians who disagree with forcing religion down everyone's throat in schools. That will lead to firings, and more lawsuits.
3) it's unconstitutional
4) you may think this is a good thing but trust me when I say younger generations hate when fundies shove religion down our throats. This will be just another contribution to declining church attendance.
5) it's unconstitutional

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Oh please why do you care? It's just an irrelevant decoration on a classroom wall? Not everyone is the same as you, and it isn't hurting kids at all? What's the big deal?

Why are you so bigoted & hateful towards different ideas?

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So you want to punish Jews, Hindus and Muslims because you hate gays. Makes perfect sense.

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I don't hate gays? Don't be such a bigot. It's only a few decorative sentences.

This is the part where I'm supposed to get angry & tell you that ypur speech is violence.

Do you see where this is going? Probably not...

barbacoa taco said:

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Pluralizes Everythings said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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Like what?

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1) it's unconstitutional and will lead to lengthy court battles that are a waste of everyone's time.
2) it's going to cause chaos because some teachers will refuse to comply. Not just atheist teachers, but Jews, Muslims, or even Christians who disagree with forcing religion down everyone's throat in schools. That will lead to firings, and more lawsuits.
3) it's unconstitutional
4) you may think this is a good thing but trust me when I say younger generations hate when fundies shove religion down our throats. This will be just another contribution to declining church attendance.
5) it's unconstitutional

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Oh please why do you care? It's just an irrelevant decoration on a classroom wall? Not everyone is the same as you, and it isn't hurting kids at all? What's the big deal?

Why are you so bigoted & hateful towards different ideas?

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You have no defense to this. It's indefensible.

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I just defended it.


BTW this is called trolling. After this I'm supposed to lie, make False equivalancues, and tell you that your speech is violence...see where this is going?

You & others do it on here all the time. /bigsmileyemoji

Baseem and Abdullah agree. Get sacred Quran text in school immediately. They also want to know if there are any nine year olds ready to marry.

GeorgiAg said:

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Baseem and Abdullah agree. Get sacred Quran text in school immediately. They also want to know if there are any nine years old ready to marry.

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But only if they agree that trans goats are human

Hey No Spin

How do you think traditional small town WASPS or South Texas Catholics would do with these guys actively recruiting their kids in public schools?



One thing both of these churches perform well at is sales and recruiting.

(The LDS health teachings on healthy living might do many teens good though)

Playing the field in middle school
Allah wills it

TxTarpon said:

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Hey No Spin

How do you think traditional small town WASPS or South Texas Catholics would do with these guys actively recruiting their kids in public schools?



One thing both of these churches perform well at is sales and recruiting.

(The LDS health teachings on healthy living might do many teens good though)

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Look at how happy they are in the pictures? Don't you want that in schools?

Why do you oppose the belief systems of others who just want some decoration on the classroom walls? At some point there won't be space on the walls for all the different texts, and they can replace the drop tile ceiling with picture frames.

Someone like this would cry about returning to a few of the practices and traditions the greater generations before us considered normal every day life at school.



Bet he screeched over removing gay porn from school libraries.

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Look at how happy they are in the pictures? Don't you want that in schools?

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Not if I am a strict Baptist or Catholic.

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Why do you oppose the belief systems of others who just want some decoration on the classroom walls?

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Because for many Being Catholic > Being Protestant
And others Being Evangelical Baptist > All other denominations
Jehovah Witnesses are against college and blood transfusions.
Rabbis and Imams are good to talk about how pork is bad?
You open it up, you get into the weeds fast in many places.
How about school is for reading, writing, math and science?

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At some point there won't be space on the walls for all the different texts, and they can replace the drop tile ceiling with picture frames.

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WTH does that mean.
Still enjoying some 420 herb?

P.H. Dexippus said:

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Admiral Adama said:

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aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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Why didn't you mention that the Establishment Clause has been incorporated to the states under the 14th amendment by SCOTUS since before 1950? That seems a tad bit relevant to the constitutional question.

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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Admiral Adama said:

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aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

Updated for this thread below...

I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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Why didn't you mention that the Establishment Clause has been incorporated to the states under the 14th amendment by SCOTUS since before 1950? That seems a tad bit relevant to the constitutional question.

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I'm tired of this "we're a Christian nation" talk. It isn't true and it's an excuse that is used EVERY time to justify a law that directly violates the Establishment Clause.