barbacoa taco said:

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To those who favor this law, let's make a deal:

Force all schools to display the Ten Commandments and bible verses of your choosing. In exchange, churches have to pay taxes.

If they want to be part of politics and public life, they have to pay the price of admission like the rest of us.

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Why? Most politicians avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Dumb comment.

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As a devout Christian I can honestly say this is wrong and will have unintended consequences.

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In practice I only take issue with this sort of thing because I know the same people pushing for it would rupture an aneurysm if someone tried to put similar documents from other religions in schools. In theory it's ridiculous to get upset about kids being exposed to religious symbols, iconography and history in school in just about any format about from the forced practiced of said religions.

1963 - Kilgore, Texas - 2nd grade

Just after the Pledge, the teacher lead the class in the Protestant version of the Lord's Prayer in unison.

THAT is the praying in school that was meant to be ended. Not "religion" in schools.

Next what? Muslims "up in arms" so declare a Shariah state?

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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First of all, that's not what the establishment clause says -- it says "Congress shall make no law..." not the government. Second, in this case, the government, to the extent that a school is the government (it really isn't as one isn't required to attend it) is not promoting anything. Third, what religion is being promoted? Christianity? Judaism? Mormonism? They all have the 10 Commandments as a fundamental tenant of their faith. It would be very difficult to argue that the government is promoting multiple religions, especially those that are somewhat incompatible with each other. All three of the examples I gave say the others are not only wrong but (in many cases) couldn't be more wrong. The 10 commandments are also included in the teachings of Islam.

Putting the 10 commandments in schools is far less of an establishment clause violation than what has been going on in public schools the last 30+ years with the religion of secularization and pro-LGBTxyz being increasingly promoted. The left doesn't want to call it that, but that's what it is. They worship at that alter. I'll concede its more a cult than a religion but for first amendment purposes, its is the same thing. After honest look at first amendment jurisprudence and the framer's intent, what should be shut down is what has been going on in recent times, not prayer and Bible reading or 10 commandment postings.

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There's a Supreme Court case directly addressing almost every sentence of your first paragraph. And they don't break in your direction.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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It's a complete historical falsity to claim the Founding Fathers were only concerned about matters within Christianity.

As Richard Henry Lee wrote, for example, in 1784 when he was President of the Continential Congress:

"I fully agree with the presbyterians, that true freedom embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo as well as the Christian religion. And upon this liberal ground I hope our Assembly will conduct themselves."

At any rate, this law would be patently unconstitutional under the current law of the land. This is, at best, a complete waste of time so Texas Senators can score some cheap political points and, at worst, a complete waste of taxpayer money if this law passes and Texas tries to fight it in the court system.

barbacoa taco said:

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To those who favor this law, let's make a deal:

Force all schools to display the Ten Commandments and bible verses of your choosing. In exchange, churches have to pay taxes.

If they want to be part of politics and public life, they have to pay the price of admission like the rest of us.

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Or we can just get rid of the income tax like it was originally and just pay taxes on the crap we buy

If you are on the "right" and have a problem with this, then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

As long as all the copies are bulletproof and the kids can huddle behind them; I am all for it!

Nice to see them spending time on such hard hitting pressing issues.

Education of the bible happens on Sunday. Keep it that way. Religion is a choice, just like the LGBT, if they can't have their way at school then we can't either.

One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all…

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One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all…

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Yep, we say the pledge in school every single day.

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One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all…

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"Under God" was added in about 1952 as a part of the Red scare and McCarthy hearings.

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One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all…

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"Under God" was added in about 1952 as a part of the Red scare and McCarthy hearings.

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Thank God it was added…

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One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all…

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"Under God" was added in about 1952 as a part of the Red scare and McCarthy hearings.

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Almost 200 years without the big G? No wonder the country was such a mess until that was added.

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One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all…

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"Under God" was added in about 1952 as a part of the Red scare and McCarthy hearings.

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Almost 200 years without the big G? No wonder the country was such a mess until that was added.

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The liberals have been attempting to remove all references to God ever since. No wonder the country is such a mess…

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One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all…

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"Under God" was added in about 1952 as a part of the Red scare and McCarthy hearings.

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Thank God it was added…

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God didn't add it. He's lazy and doesn't do anything.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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In my life, I have never heard this. I have nothing to refute it with, but Texas has never been anything but a conservative Christian state. I have a hard time believing they would have just given that up if were there to begin with.

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Unfortunately, the media and liberals have slowly eroded Christian faith and church attendance in Texas (and most other states), it didn't happen overnight.

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cecil77 said:

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One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all…

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"Under God" was added in about 1952 as a part of the Red scare and McCarthy hearings.

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Thank God it was added…

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God didn't add it. He's lazy and doesn't do anything.

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He's lazy? Laughable…
You wouldn't be here if God hadn't created you and everything around you.

I'm a Cristian. I'm100 percent in favor of starting school days with one minute set aside for prayer, meditation or thinking of anything or nothing---all in respectful silence. No to verbal prayer! Here's why: All religions would necessarily have to be represented; that would likely be confusing and offensive to some of a faith different from that of the one praying on a particular morning. Where would lines be drawn?

We should stop saying the pledge.

Teaches you to be subservient to the government.

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aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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In my life, I have never heard this. I have nothing to refute it with, but Texas has never been anything but a conservative Christian state. I have a hard time believing they would have just given that up if were there to begin with.

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Unfortunately, the media and liberals have slowly eroded Christian faith and church attendance in Texas (and most other states), it didn't happen overnight.

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How do you blame liberals for this?

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ArbAg said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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Admiral Adama said:

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aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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In my life, I have never heard this. I have nothing to refute it with, but Texas has never been anything but a conservative Christian state. I have a hard time believing they would have just given that up if were there to begin with.

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Unfortunately, the media and liberals have slowly eroded Christian faith and church attendance in Texas (and most other states), it didn't happen overnight.

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How do you blame liberals for this?

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Liberals screw up literally everything they touch.

That doesn't answer the question but makes for a good bumper sticker.

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That doesn't answer the question but makes for a good bumper sticker.

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So, you deny that liberals have non-stop efforts to remove God from education and public realm?

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That doesn't answer the question but makes for a good bumper sticker.

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So, you deny that liberals have non-stop efforts to remove God from education and public realm?

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I responded to this post. Please respond to how liberals have impacted that.

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That doesn't answer the question but makes for a good bumper sticker.

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So, you deny that liberals have non-stop efforts to remove God from education and public realm?

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I responded to this post. Please respond to how liberals have impacted that.

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Unfortunately, the media and liberals have slowly eroded Christian faith and church attendance in Texas (and most other states), it didn't happen overnight.

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Already did, perhaps you weren't paying attention.

Soooo they don't like being forced to participate or accept things that they don't agree with or believe?

Tuff ****, right libs?!

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That doesn't answer the question but makes for a good bumper sticker.

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So, you deny that liberals have non-stop efforts to remove God from education and public realm?

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Well I'll say it, why does it need to be there? Do we have a state sponsored official religion I'm unaware of?

Practice religion to your hearts content, a right I certainly support. No need to bring it in to public schools.

If god wants to find his way into public schools maybe he can start with school shootings. Will be helpful to you all on 2A too. [/sarcasm, there is no god of course - what kind of sick god kills elementary school children in cold blood while coward cops stand outside]

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Jeeper79 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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Admiral Adama said:

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aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

Updated for this thread below...

I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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In my life, I have never heard this. I have nothing to refute it with, but Texas has never been anything but a conservative Christian state. I have a hard time believing they would have just given that up if were there to begin with.

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Unfortunately, the media and liberals have slowly eroded Christian faith and church attendance in Texas (and most other states), it didn't happen overnight.

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Maybe the message is bad and people got tired of being guilted, told their friends/family are sinners for things they were born as, etc. Blaming liberals on decreasing church attendance and people who identify as Christian is hysterical.

TXAGFAN said:

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ArbAg said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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Admiral Adama said:

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aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

Updated for this thread below...

I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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In my life, I have never heard this. I have nothing to refute it with, but Texas has never been anything but a conservative Christian state. I have a hard time believing they would have just given that up if were there to begin with.

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Unfortunately, the media and liberals have slowly eroded Christian faith and church attendance in Texas (and most other states), it didn't happen overnight.

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Maybe the message is bad and people got tired of being guilted, told their friends/family are sinners for things they were born as, etc. Blaming liberals on decreasing church attendance and people who identify as Christian is hysterical.

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I'm sure it is in your mind, maturity and Biblical teaching will help you understand.

TXAGFAN said:

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ArbAg said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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Admiral Adama said:

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aggiez03 said:

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From a post in the Gay Dinosaur thread...

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I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A Dino show with gay people as an irrelevant and ignored plot point is not a big deal.

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Let't see if the same logic can be applied here.

Updated for this thread below...

I don't think there's any age where it's inappropriate or kids are not mature enough to acknowledge that not everyone is the same, and some family relationships look different than yours. A CLASSROOM with THE 10 COMMANDMENTS as an irrelevant and ignored DECORATION is not a big deal.

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It's not a big deal but it's not constitutional either. Sorry, the government doesn't get to promote one religion over another one. This one will be slapped down relatively shortly.

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Your interpretation is not the original interpretation of the Constitution. All states were Christian at the founding, and many had an official christian denomination at the time of the founding. The federal government was not to have an established official denomination so as not to favor certain states/regions over another, but there was not a prohibition on the states doing what they pleased in this regard .

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In my life, I have never heard this. I have nothing to refute it with, but Texas has never been anything but a conservative Christian state. I have a hard time believing they would have just given that up if were there to begin with.

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Unfortunately, the media and liberals have slowly eroded Christian faith and church attendance in Texas (and most other states), it didn't happen overnight.

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Maybe the message is bad and people got tired of being guilted, told their friends/family are sinners for things they were born as, etc. Blaming liberals on decreasing church attendance and people who identify as Christian is hysterical.

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Christians do themselves a huge disservice by blaming declining church attendance on liberals.