barbacoa taco said:
here's my honest response to all of your points
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Abortion bans with no exceptions-First off Life of the Mother is always an exception in every state and always will be. The polling on abortion keeps trending more Pro Life btw, there are very few people that want the Dem position in places like Cali and NY where you can literally be in labor and still get an abortion because there are ZERO restrictions. The 6 week-15 week laws seem to be the most popular.
As I've stated before, I dont count "life of the mother" as a real exception. It's just something we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better. But in reality it means let the mother get sick, go to the hospital, suffer, and be on death's doorstep, and THEN we can do it. Not buying it.
Though, you are partly right about the rest. Most Americans favor legal abortion to some degree. Few Americans believe it should be legal without restriction. Which is why I have pushed hard for a reasonable middle ground. However, the GOP is not willing to budge on the issue. It is also completely insane, and I mean ****ing intolerable that we do not allow an exception for minor rape victims. This is so far beyond the pale, I can't believe we are even discussing it. But we are, because of laws our legislature has enacted and Abbott signed.
This is extremely unpopular and will hurt them in future elections, just like it did in 2022.
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"Trying to legislate trans people out of existence"-So where is this happening exactly? The only legislation around this have to do with restricting teaching Gender Theory to small children, stopping surgeries and hormone blockers for minors, restricting Drag Shows to 18 and above similar to how other adult entertainment is treated, keeping gender specific bathrooms so that women don't have to have someone with male genitalia in the bathroom with them, and protecting women's sports. Trans adults can do their thing just as long as they don't want to sexualize and confuse children and don't want to invade female spaces. None of that was controversial until about 5 minutes ago and if you want to get a liberal woman to start voting Republican just have them go undress at the gym next to a 6'4 Dude with makeup on and a ***** or tell them their daughter has to do the same.
Yeah so you picked the easy stuff. No surgeries for minors? Fine. I dont think that really happens at all, but fine. They should be 18. Drag shows? Also fine. Not for kids. BUt I have problems with laws that are overly broad and could potentially criminalize certain theatrical performances or drag shows that "could potentially be viewed by someone under 18." Because they are too broad. The bathroom stuff is old hat, a solution in search of a problem. Reminds me of the fearmongering we heard about it in 2015 about men following little girls into the bathroom. It's not something that is happening in reality, and sexual predators like that can and should be arrested anyway. Regular trans people are minding their own business, they dont want to draw attention to themselves.
I do have a huge problem with states making it illegal for trans minors and their families to make personal medical decisions, essentially practicing medicine and overruling doctors. It's a highly personal decision to treat a VERY REAL AND DOCUMENTED condition of gender dysphoria. Especially knowing that this is all culture war based, and is at odds with every reputable medical association in the country. They are saying "we know better than you, and we dont approve of this, so we're making it illegal." I also have an even bigger problem with Abbott/Paxton investigating these families and trying to take the kids out of the house and charge the parents with child abuse. That is pure evil, I'll never be okay with that, ever.
Also, there is a small effort that could gain steam that regulates ADULTS who seek hormonal/surgical treatments. Not law yet, but Desantis is certainly weighing it.
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Book Banning- Books on sex in school libraries are always going to be regulated. You can go buy "Gender Queer" on Amazon to your hearts content. Who the hell even gets books from a library anyway? Especially younger people?
I mean fine, take out the explicit stuff (if it's even there). But these book bans go way farther than that and we all know it. Not only banning explicit books, but pretty much anything that touches on uncomfortable subjects. I blame the Karen parents who are trying to shelter their kids from everything, way beyond sexual content.
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Legislating Child Labor- So you think that 14 and 15 year olds that want to work at McDonalds to make some extra money is a problem? If you actually cared about child labor you would stop pushing Green policies that result in child slavery in places like Congo to get the rare minerals you need for your EV as they destroy the environment by using acids after strip mining the land with little kids who will be lucky to make it to 18.
It's not about "extra money" at all. These laws are not there to help these kids. They are there to help employers who don't want to pay a fair wage or treat their workers right.
Also, how sad that we live in a society where any family needs their kids to drop out of school and work, just to get by.
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Unnecessary voting restrictions- So expecting someone to show an ID to prove they are actually the person they claim to be is unnecessary? You also support political groups paying people by the vote to go into poor neighborhoods and nursing homes to collect ballots and fill them out so they can mail them? Do you just like fraud?
Nice try. People always say stuff like this. It's not about IDs. Every year there is more effort to restrict voting. Changing signature requirements, moving polling places off college campuses (hello Brazos County!), not allowing college IDs as an acceptable form, shutting down polling places in dense areas to make the lines longer. The list goes on, these are just a few examples.
I always get smartass replies like "well if you cant do any of that then you shouldnt vote anyway." But these laws are passed because the lawmakers KNOW it will result in smaller turnout. It just does, as a matter of statistics. Working class and poor people do not have the luxury of taking hours off work to vote, like rich people do.
I think voting should be as easy as possible, with reasonable restrictions. I believe everyone should be automatically registered to vote when they get a government ID, for example. And that registration should last forever, until you move elsewhere. Other countries do this, and it works out great. No reason we can't do it too.
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Abolishing gun laws- Yes, let's make sure that only the police and the Government have legal weapons so that criminals who don't care about laws can do as they please to regular citizens. What could go wrong?
Another straw man. I've always pushed for reasonable, common sense laws, because what we have now clearly is not working out well. But things have gotten so damn polarized lately that any gun law is seen as an extreme infringement on rights. We're at an impasse here.
Thanks for the response. It actually gives me hope because you are Red Pilling and don't even realize i. By your own admission you agree the Dem policies on most of those issues are too extreme and in reality you just are not at the point where you are willing to really look at them yet. Look at the laws they are passing in California and Washington and NY. Look at Chicago. That's what they want everywhere and it is explicit when you look at bills proposed in the Senate by Democrats that are just as extreme and almost always get a Party Line vote approval.
The problem with the Democrats is they have been completely coopted by the Hard Left. The Hard Left doesn't compromise and they don't believe in Democracy, they are Socialists where the ends always justifies the means. Any compromise is only a part of a path towards that Socialism, look at the Gun Law from last year that has already been memory holed. It's like it didn't even happen as they just moved straight to the next restrictions. So your choice isn't going to be a nuanced view of compromise, the Democrats have pushed out anyone willing to compromise from a position of power. Wasn't long ago when Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, and Chuck Schumer were the extreme of the Dems and now they are almost Moderates compared to The Squad and others like them.
I have hope for you that you will see that eventually, you are already on the path even if you don't realize it.
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