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As to the opening post....the Boomers took over from the greatest generation who was more competent than the Boomers were....if those morons could figure this out....then Millineals/Zers will figure it out.

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Don't know what Boomers you deal with, but the ones I know - Dad, uncle, etc. - are the smartest people I know. They just know how to do literally everything. I pride myself in trying to always be learning and doing things myself, but I still routinely have to call them up to ask how to do something.

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I don't understand the stress of skilled labor retiring. Could it be painful? Sure. But with capitalism, companies who perform will be pushed to the top and those that can't, won't.

"Company ABC has always been reliable but now they suck, what do we do??"
"Company XYZ has performed well on our last few contracts, lets give them more business."

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Wait until you're in a company that needs talent to operate. Like you said, some companies just may not be viable due to lack of talent.

Lack of talented workforce stifles innovation.

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young eugene said:

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I don't understand the stress of skilled labor retiring. Could it be painful? Sure. But with capitalism, companies who perform will be pushed to the top and those that can't, won't.

"Company ABC has always been reliable but now they suck, what do we do??"
"Company XYZ has performed well on our last few contracts, lets give them more business."

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Wait until you're in a company that needs talent to operate. Like you said, some companies just may not be viable due to lack of talent.

Lack of talented workforce stifles innovation.

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They don't care about talent, they care about DE&I in order to keep the blackrock money flowing in. The whole point is to destroy the US economy.

What's the point about assigning blame ? If you take all of the boomers out and shoot them it doesn't solve the problem. What to do now should be the focus.

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Or, and I know this is crazy, maybe pay blue collar workers more?

Labor shortages only exist because the pay sucks. Who wants a life doing hard/technical work only to live in poverty?

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They're not talking about a labor shortage, they're talking about intelligence and work ethic. They're talking about how DEI leads to the hiring and promotion of lesser-qualified candidates, logically leading to lower performance and efficiency.

Hard work doesn't pay poverty-level wages. Really doing ANYTHING full-time at today's hourly wages should be enough to support yourself. Minimum-wage jobs aren't for trying to raise and family and purchase a home.

The problem is our educational system doesn't do a good of training people for careers. The whole 4-year college system is a bloated mess that students are encouraged to enter.

Future pilots should have opportunity to attend pilot training school out of high school and complete flying hours at not an insane cost (possible option: give back of % of future earnings for period of time in exchange for a spot)..

It's not just pilots- across numerous in-demand categories it's not made accessible enough to fill positions:

Example: Many more spots should be made available for future MDs. It's a joke how hard it is to actually see a physician these days for something routine. Create many more residency spots and get those positions filled. It's not freaking rocket science.

I think back to the snowmageddon event of 2020. A number of people had their food spoil because they left it in the fridge and it got too hot without electricity. (ever think about putting it outside where it was below freezing). Still others had pipes burst and didn't know how to turn off their water at the meter so they just sat in the flood because plumbers couldn't get there.

When bad times hit America I think the stupid people will die off pretty quick and the rest of us can thrive after a few weeks.

Yeah, I just love all the blanket boomer hate. This boomer raised a veterinarian and a computer science grad. The vet was easy, she always wanted that from early on. Our son failed out the first go round and thought he could get a job anyway even without a degree. That went nowhere of course because the market was so flooded with CS grads, he never sniffed a look. We asked him what other interest he had because calculus was kicking his ass and he said Archaeology. That took all of two minutes of a google search to show him available jobs and what a terrible decision that would be since he was never the professor type.

Fortunately he got back on the horse, graduated, and has a great job he is over 5 years in on. This same flunkee borrowed my tools and completed a brake job on his maxima because it was going to cost too much based on the estimate he got and seemed fairly easy to do based on DYI videos. He fixes stuff around his house and usually I get a call or pictures he is trying to figure out. About the only thing he needs help with are old man experience short cuts for things like plumbing connections and lawn maintenance/equipment repair.

Plenty of good boomers that haven't ruined the world for the snowflakes who can't look in the mirror and accept failing at a task much less even trying to figure it out.

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Jokes on you boomer, I don't have a yard to mow. /s

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That place is better furnished than my first apartment.

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young eugene said:

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I don't understand the stress of skilled labor retiring. Could it be painful? Sure. But with capitalism, companies who perform will be pushed to the top and those that can't, won't.

"Company ABC has always been reliable but now they suck, what do we do??"
"Company XYZ has performed well on our last few contracts, lets give them more business."

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We don't live in a capitalist nation.

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LOL, what?! What am I reading. Yes we do.

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The "Boomer die off" will usher in a new Renaissance and Enlightenment in the West, and it can't come soon enough.

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This is the most insanely naive and stupid garbage I have seen in quite some time. Are they perfect, no. But be careful what you wish for.

I know you probably want the democrat/socialist utopia your limp wristed low-T professors and idols like Don Lemon have raved about...wish I could be there to see the look on your face after this country collapses and you realize you were conned as you long for the amazing 2020's, which are never coming back.

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Well this all sounds like lots of opportunity for current junior high and high school kids. I have two boys starting high school next year and a daughter right behind them, all really good at math. What engineering fields do you think will experience the most talent shortages in the next 20+ years?

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Engineering is only as good as the ability to properly install and operate it.

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Tex117 said:

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As to the opening post....the Boomers took over from the greatest generation who was more competent than the Boomers were....if those morons could figure this out....then Millineals/Zers will figure it out.

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Don't know what Boomers you deal with, but the ones I know - Dad, uncle, etc. - are the smartest people I know. They just know how to do literally everything. I pride myself in trying to always be learning and doing things myself, but I still routinely have to call them up to ask how to do something.

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Yeah, and when they were young, they had to call up their dads and uncles.

And when you are a dad and uncle, your sons and nephews will call you up. (Or just ask the AI overlords at that point).

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young eugene said:

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I don't understand the stress of skilled labor retiring. Could it be painful? Sure. But with capitalism, companies who perform will be pushed to the top and those that can't, won't.

"Company ABC has always been reliable but now they suck, what do we do??"
"Company XYZ has performed well on our last few contracts, lets give them more business."

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We don't live in a capitalist nation.

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LOL, what?! What am I reading. Yes we do.

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No, we are in a mixed economy at best and technocracy at worst. The government is owned by a few large corporations and said corporations have the government pass regulations to ensure no competition crops up. We are not operating in a "free market".

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Or, and I know this is crazy, maybe pay blue collar workers more?

Labor shortages only exist because the pay sucks. Who wants a life doing hard/technical work only to live in poverty?

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Always nice to see the Reddit anti-work crowd chime in with their ignorance.

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The "Boomer die off" will usher in a new Renaissance and Enlightenment in the West, and it can't come soon enough.

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What will be the hallmarks of this renaissance and enlightenment?

A lot of social issues and more socialism? Where has that led a population to prosperity, ever in the history of the world?

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Yeah, I just love all the blanket boomer hate. This boomer raised a veterinarian and a computer science grad. The vet was easy, she always wanted that from early on. Our son failed out the first go round and thought he could get a job anyway even without a degree. That went nowhere of course because the market was so flooded with CS grads, he never sniffed a look. We asked him what other interest he had because calculus was kicking his ass and he said Archaeology. That took all of two minutes of a google search to show him available jobs and what a terrible decision that would be since he was never the professor type.

Fortunately he got back on the horse, graduated, and has a great job he is over 5 years in on. This same flunkee borrowed my tools and completed a brake job on his maxima because it was going to cost too much based on the estimate he got and seemed fairly easy to do based on DYI videos. He fixes stuff around his house and usually I get a call or pictures he is trying to figure out. About the only thing he needs help with are old man experience short cuts for things like plumbing connections and lawn maintenance/equipment repair.

Plenty of good boomers that haven't ruined the world for the snowflakes who can't look in the mirror and accept failing at a task much less even trying to figure it out.

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Yes, you are in the exception category. So is my Dad. My parents raised 4 successful kids, 2 engineers, a vet and a pharmacist. My Dad taught us how to do all sorts of things and, more importantly, taught us how to figure out the things we didn't know how to do.

I am the exception in most people I know on being able to fix things. I always get asked, How do you know how to do that? At 39, I've become "that guy" on the street that knows how to do everything and neighbors ask for advice or help. I've saved a lot of people money by telling them how easy to fix small things when they were about to call someone to fix. You can ask my wife, it drives me nuts how completely clueless most people are with even basic things.

Far too many boomers raised snowflakes who don't know how to do anything.

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The "Boomer die off" will usher in a new Renaissance and Enlightenment in the West, and it can't come soon enough.

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So, while that's happening, who is going to fix your AC unit when it goes down?

I've read most of this thread, started skimming towards the end.

As a person squarely in the middle of Gen X, I gotta tell ya' that not only am I sick and tired of the youngsters crapping all over the Baby Boomers, but their incessant continuation of it is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. It's a perfect example of everything that's wrong with THEIR generation. I've met a number of really high quality folks from the Gen Z generation, but man, the stereotypical Z'ers drove me absolutely effing crazy. No self accountability. No sense of earning anything. They want it all now and it's someone else's fault they don't have it. Ridiculously spoiled and out of touch.
STFU and put in the work. The rewards will come then and only then.

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The "Boomer die off" will usher in a new Renaissance and Enlightenment in the West, and it can't come soon enough.

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What will be the hallmarks of this renaissance and enlightenment?

A lot of social issues and more socialism? Where has that led a population to prosperity, ever in the history of the world?

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Surely you know no one has actually done socialism correctly.

"Socialism, an idea so good, no one can get it right."

"It's a great system, for ants."

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I've read most of this thread, started skimming towards the end.

As a person squarely in the middle of Gen X, I gotta tell ya' that not only am I sick and tired of the youngsters crapping all over the Baby Boomers, but their incessant continuation of it is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. It's a perfect example of everything that's wrong with THEIR generation. I've met a number of really high quality folks from the Gen Z generation, but man, the stereotypical Z'ers drove me absolutely effing crazy. No self accountability. No sense of earning anything. They want it all now and it's someone else's fault they don't have it. Ridiculously spoiled and out of touch.
STFU and put in the work. The rewards will come then and only then.

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It is really weird seeing this drum beat of people ****ting all over their parents and grandparents' generations, posting on their smartphone in between scrolling social media while sipping their $7 coffees, wondering why they don't get everything they want, when they want it. Grow up and get some ****ing perspective.

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The "Boomer die off" will usher in a new Renaissance and Enlightenment in the West, and it can't come soon enough.

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What will be the hallmarks of this renaissance and enlightenment?

A lot of social issues and more socialism? Where has that led a population to prosperity, ever in the history of the world?

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Surely you know no one has actually done socialism correctly.

"Socialism, an idea so good, no one can get it right."

"It's a great system, for ants."

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I also like "socialism: ideas so good, they have to be mandated" and "socialism: a utopia that requires barbed wire and machine guns to keep people in".

The entitlement and whining is off the charts, but the most distasteful are people like FlyRod above who seem to be giddy about large numbers of boomers dying. I imagine once the boomers are gone, these losers will then have to place the blame for their failures on us GenXers who are successful.

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Far too many boomers raised snowflakes who don't know how to do anything.

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We can just agree to disagree on that point. Snowflakes came later than that and I'm on the very tail end of the Boomers.

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Not to worry, the hordes of 3rd worlders flooding across the boarder will stand in the gap and carry civilization for us.

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Sarcasm duly noted.

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Stigmatizing labor and telling everyone they are going to be poor and have a ****ty life is wrong and has been a huge factor in creating this problem. I don';t know any conservative businessman that thinks that importing cheap labor is the answer. The businessmen in manufacturing that I know want skilled, dependable labor and would happily employ skilled US citizens and pay them well, but finding those people is hard, in part, because otherwise good young candidates have been convinced that they have to go to college and get law degrees or their life will suck.

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The border is open because cheap labor is needed (in addition to the government profiting off the drug trade). To pretend otherwise is silly. And don't get me started on H1B visas.

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The border is open because democrats want voters and bodies to be dependent on them. You think it is Republican businessmen that want millions of illegals pouring into the country every year? Please. How many jobs do you think these supposed Republican businessmen have to fill?

Space-Tech said:

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Or, and I know this is crazy, maybe pay blue collar workers more?

Labor shortages only exist because the pay sucks. Who wants a life doing hard/technical work only to live in poverty?

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that hasn't been true for decades for blue collar work.

A good friend is a car mech and he could easily bank 60-hours of work a week b/c he was good and quick at his job.

He also did stuff on the side out of his garage and pulled in $8-$10k/year in cash.

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American Hardwood said:

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Stigmatizing labor and telling everyone they are going to be poor and have a ****ty life is wrong and has been a huge factor in creating this problem. I don';t know any conservative businessman that thinks that importing cheap labor is the answer. The businessmen in manufacturing that I know want skilled, dependable labor and would happily employ skilled US citizens and pay them well, but finding those people is hard, in part, because otherwise good young candidates have been convinced that they have to go to college and get law degrees or their life will suck.

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The border is open because cheap labor is needed (in addition to the government profiting off the drug trade). To pretend otherwise is silly. And don't get me started on H1B visas.

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The border is open because democrats want voters and bodies to be dependent on them. You think it is Republican businessmen that want millions of illegals pouring into the country every year? Please. How many jobs do you think these supposed Republican businessmen have to fill?

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Stop being naive. The GOP has zero interest in closing the border.

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young eugene said:

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I don't understand the stress of skilled labor retiring. Could it be painful? Sure. But with capitalism, companies who perform will be pushed to the top and those that can't, won't.

"Company ABC has always been reliable but now they suck, what do we do??"
"Company XYZ has performed well on our last few contracts, lets give them more business."

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We don't live in a capitalist nation.

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LOL, what?! What am I reading. Yes we do.

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No, we are in a mixed economy at best and technocracy at worst. The government is owned by a few large corporations and said corporations have the government pass regulations to ensure no competition crops up. We are not operating in a "free market".

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Not being in a full free market does not mean we AREN'T capitalist.

Please. I know what you are trying to say, but it comes across like someone who sat through a 2 day seminar on economic theory.

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If the future is bleak then I'd want to know why the Boomers failed to keep it from getting that way. They were the ones in charge from the 70s until very recently, so things that occurred in every aspect of our lives, they were the ones making the decisions.

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Until recently? McConnell, Pelosi, Feinstein, Durban, Grassley, Biden, Bernie… all born before the end of the war and thus actually pre-boomer. Trump, Warren, Romney, Manchin, all squarely on the elder boomer side. Then in the core of boomerdom the list is looong. Hickenlooper, Cornyn, Blackburn, Paul, Graham, Murkowski, Klobuchar, Scott, Baldwin, Casey, Hassan…

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Stigmatizing labor and telling everyone they are going to be poor and have a ****ty life is wrong and has been a huge factor in creating this problem. I don';t know any conservative businessman that thinks that importing cheap labor is the answer. The businessmen in manufacturing that I know want skilled, dependable labor and would happily employ skilled US citizens and pay them well, but finding those people is hard, in part, because otherwise good young candidates have been convinced that they have to go to college and get law degrees or their life will suck.

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The border is open because cheap labor is needed (in addition to the government profiting off the drug trade). To pretend otherwise is silly. And don't get me started on H1B visas.

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The border is open because democrats want voters and bodies to be dependent on them. You think it is Republican businessmen that want millions of illegals pouring into the country every year? Please. How many jobs do you think these supposed Republican businessmen have to fill?

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Stop being naive. The GOP has zero interest in closing the border.

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Some do, some don't. Country Club Republicans living far away from the problem don't want to take on the politics of it because it doesn't affect them directly. This isn't about cheap labor from millions and millions of illegals. There aren't enough Republicans that do care to affect any change.

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The entitlement and whining is off the charts, but the most distasteful are people like FlyRod above who seem to be giddy about large numbers of boomers dying. I imagine once the boomers are gone, these losers will then have to place the blame for their failures on us GenXers who are successful.

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Gen X adapted to the evolution of silicon/internet/comm world without skipping a beat leading the way. Adapting to loser blame will be a cakewalk.

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Stigmatizing labor and telling everyone they are going to be poor and have a ****ty life is wrong and has been a huge factor in creating this problem. I don';t know any conservative businessman that thinks that importing cheap labor is the answer. The businessmen in manufacturing that I know want skilled, dependable labor and would happily employ skilled US citizens and pay them well, but finding those people is hard, in part, because otherwise good young candidates have been convinced that they have to go to college and get law degrees or their life will suck.

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The border is open because cheap labor is needed (in addition to the government profiting off the drug trade). To pretend otherwise is silly. And don't get me started on H1B visas.

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The border is open because democrats want voters and bodies to be dependent on them. You think it is Republican businessmen that want millions of illegals pouring into the country every year? Please. How many jobs do you think these supposed Republican businessmen have to fill?

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Stop being naive. The GOP has zero interest in closing the border.

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Some do, some don't. Country Club Republicans living far away from the problem don't want to take on the politics of it because it doesn't affect them directly. This isn't about cheap labor from millions and millions of illegals. There aren't enough Republicans that do care to affect any change.

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There have been a couple of occasions where the GOP had complete control of the government and did **** all to close the border. They dont care.

Generational scapegoating is silly. I'm GenX but it's not like we have weekly meetings to scheme and screw over younger generations. I have faith that young people will rise to the occasion if properly incentivized and allowed to profit from their hard work.

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ATC personnel, pilots, mechanics, dispatchers... All facing major staffing shortages that they won't be able to fill with conventional hiring standards.

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and who put those standards in place creating barriers to entry?