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We didn't really "pay" people. We issued what, three checks over three years after nationalizing our economy and shutting down anyone who didn't have a good lobbying industry?

If you are going to dictate who's allowed to work and who is isn't, those people are your vassals now. We treated these people like the worst vassals in history.

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Who was more responsible for lockdowns:
1. Big business, MSM, bureaucrats, medical associations, foreign governments
2. Trump

Trump as president is not this all powerful dictator so many think he is. Power is divided by sectors and unfortunately the majority of those in power hated Trump and hate the middle class / capitalists.

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on the one hand you are claiming that Trump was basically a bystander to whatever happened during COVID.

on the other hand, the Always Trumpers loudly proclaim that ONLY Trump can "drain the swamp"

so which is it?!

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I've never said that. A reelection of Trump would signal a populace that is ready to flip on current progressive sentiment. Once that happens the moderates will switch teams as they are just wanting to be in the majority. So really it is the people who bring about the shift not Trump. He just needs their backing to turn things. DeSantis can do it as well just not as clear.

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The politically smart know what's going on. The big money is all going to DeSantis. Trump is getting small retail. Trump wants DeSantis to bow out so that money has no where to go but him.

Trump also knows he's getting indicted in Georgia. If a viable alternative exists when that indictment is handed down, Trump is in trouble.

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i posted the above yesterday i believe. I remember being called ignorant by the resident political employee who is putting in the work and the time. We rubes don't know what the hell is going on.

In related news, I guess the Trump campaign reads texags….

Reminder: Team Trump is only mad about DeSantis's donors because they want those donors for themselves. https://t.co/cuYO9h8Olc pic.twitter.com/8OHZ6ubkKZ

— Facts Nordau (@MaxNordau) April 11, 2023

Receipts vs. Gut Feels

Those are receipts for someone else other than you replying to you?

Trump is worried about Georgia? Trump cannot wait until Georgia double downs on Braggs dumbarsery.

Even better if they try the ill advised MAL doc indictment particularly after the release the Biden and friends made a civil case criminal because of their feels and false receipts.

You may want to sit this out for a bit and regroup.

You are yelling in a spherical room while wearing a straight jacket. Trumps numbers with independents tanked after the indictment was announced. His fundraising is in the toilet. This is embarrassing for you.

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The politically smart know what's going on. The big money is all going to DeSantis. Trump is getting small retail. Trump wants DeSantis to bow out so that money has no where to go but him.

Trump also knows he's getting indicted in Georgia. If a viable alternative exists when that indictment is handed down, Trump is in trouble.

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i posted the above yesterday i believe. I remember being called ignorant by the resident political employee who is putting in the work and the time. We rubes don't know what the hell is going on.

In related news, I guess the Trump campaign reads texags….

Reminder: Team Trump is only mad about DeSantis's donors because they want those donors for themselves. https://t.co/cuYO9h8Olc pic.twitter.com/8OHZ6ubkKZ

— Facts Nordau (@MaxNordau) April 11, 2023

Receipts vs. Gut Feels

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Indicted in Georgia for violating which state statutes, exactly?

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We get that you are paid to defend Republicans

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Where did you possible gather that from?

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He's a lobbyist...and he said as much. Do you think he lobby's for democrats?

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He's a lobbyist...and he said as much. Do you think he lobby's for democrats?

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No, but it's always fun to watch lobbyists, and others who work for a candidate, say things against their competition then turn around and be pro that candidate once their person is knocked off and they go work for the last one standing.

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We get that you are paid to defend Republicans

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He's a lobbyist...and he said as much. Do you think he lobby's for democrats?

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Lobbyists are paid to influence lawmakers, not defend or promote them.

Right? At least, that's my understanding. He's not a consultant.

Thats also my understanding. Lobbyists represent interests and attempt to persuade a candidate and/or elected official on those interests. If they are criticizing a candidate, its either their personal take or that other candidate is against the interests they represent.

I don't get the LDP bashing on here at times. Yea he hangs it out there so its fair game, but it reeks of jealous cowards unhappy in their own lives.

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Thats also my understanding. Lobbyists represent interests and attempt to persuade a candidate and/or elected official on those interests. If they are criticizing a candidate, its either their personal take or that other candidate is against the interests they represent.

I don't get the LDP bashing on here at times. Yea he hangs it out there so its fair game, but it reeks of jealous cowards unhappy in their own lives.

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It's easy.

Anything posted good about Trump will get TDS riled up, thus bashing is required.

I have to admit it's quite entertaining.

Not to derail, but anyone know the timeline of the Georgia indictment of trump ? By that I mean when is the expected time they will announce the indictment or no indictment ?

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Not to derail, but anyone know the timeline of the Georgia indictment of trump ? By that I mean when is the expected time they will announce the indictment or no indictment ?

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Takes time to weave together a fabric of lies, mistruths, out of context statements / quotes and for the checks to clear of all those being paid off to concoct more fictitious charges against POTUS.

You realize that the premise of the Georgia indictment is substantially weaker than Alvin Bragg, right?

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Not to derail, but anyone know the timeline of the Georgia indictment of trump ? By that I mean when is the expected time they will announce the indictment or no indictment ?

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Takes time to weave together a fabric of lies, mistruths, out of context statements / quotes and for the checks to clear of all those being paid off to concoct more fictitious charges against POTUS.

You realize that the premise of the Georgia indictment is substantially weaker than Alvin Bragg, right?

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Once you realize that the Georgia indictment (and the DOJ indictment and NYC indictment) are about political calculation and not legal standards then things become a lot more clear. They don't care about convicting Trump or sending him to prison, that's a bonus at best. What they care about is getting a Democrat elected in '24. Thus they will time the indictments, hearings, and trials to inflict as much damage as possible on Trump with Independents as possible.

It's almost sad to see folks here arguing how baseless the charges are or how Trump has stronger legal standing. That doesn't really matter. What matters is they are succeeding with the 20% in the middle to convince them that Trump is beyond damage goods and that if he is re-elected all they are going to hear about is more investigations and indictments. Doesn't matter on the right or wrong, it matters that those people care about what matters to THEM. The fate of Trump doesn't matter to them. They don't see a big difference between the Dems or GOP in terms of moral high ground (though that is unfair). Trump being right doesn't matter if those people either don't believe him or don't care. The Dems have full control of the MSM and you aren't going to win a PR battle with them on this.

It's an ugly, ugly game but it is what it is. Who cares if Trump finally gets convicted and loses or wins his appeals sometime in 2025 or 2026 if he loses the election? Democrats only care about the election and these actions are purely about how they can be utilized towards that purpose by swaying voters who don't watch Tucker Carlson or go to UFC events. Call me a hater or tell me I have TDS but it doesn't change the truth.

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He's a lobbyist...and he said as much. Do you think he lobby's for democrats?

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Lobbyists are paid to influence lawmakers, not defend or promote them.

Right? At least, that's my understanding. He's not a consultant.

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maybe I misunderstood when he posted that he is an "officer for a lobbying political consulting company out of Dallas"

It's funny that these guys are arguing the merits of the Georgia case. They've even got aggiehawg doing it.

Newsflash: No one cares about the merits.

All I care about is the effect it has on independents. And the polling after the NY indictment was an abject disaster for Trump. Yes he has rallied Republicans to his base. Congrats, smart guys, you get to lose 2024 by 82 electoral votes.

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It's funny that these guys are arguing the merits of the Georgia case. They've even got aggiehawg doing it.

Newsflash: No one cares about the merits.

All I care about is the effect it has on independents. And the polling after the NY indictment was an abject disaster for Trump. Yes he has rallied Republicans to his base. Congrats, smart guys, you get to lose 2024 by 82 electoral votes.

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You from France or something?

No need to give up.

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Lobbyists are paid to influence lawmakers, not defend or promote them.

Right? At least, that's my understanding. He's not a consultant.

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He has said he's now a consultant .

HTH
YWIA

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We didn't really "pay" people. We issued what, three checks over three years after nationalizing our economy and shutting down anyone who didn't have a good lobbying industry?

If you are going to dictate who's allowed to work and who is isn't, those people are your vassals now. We treated these people like the worst vassals in history.

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Who was more responsible for lockdowns:
1. Big business, MSM, bureaucrats, medical associations, foreign governments
2. Trump

Trump as president is not this all powerful dictator so many think he is. Power is divided by sectors and unfortunately the majority of those in power hated Trump and hate the middle class / capitalists.

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on the one hand you are claiming that Trump was basically a bystander to whatever happened during COVID.

on the other hand, the Always Trumpers loudly proclaim that ONLY Trump can "drain the swamp"

so which is it?!

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I've never said that. A reelection of Trump would signal a populace that is ready to flip on current progressive sentiment. Once that happens the moderates will switch teams as they are just wanting to be in the majority. So really it is the people who bring about the shift not Trump. He just needs their backing to turn things. DeSantis can do it as well just not as clear.

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How is Desantis not as clear?

While Trump was, and is now, stacking tweets and truths, Desantis stacks up wins versus everything, including wokeBS.

Trump, if elected, would do jack and ****, like before. Lame ducks have no power.

DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I'd like to think there are plenty of Christians on the right that would like to not be disgusted by the person from their side that's the nominee. Or at least for a guy (Desantis) who didn't fail at multiple marriages, being faithful to his wives, having children from only one woman, whom he's still married to, etc. etc. Oh, and also happens to have every conservative political boxes checked.

Context. I wasn't saying any of that as a negative just how it can be spun to make it less effective.

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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That's tricky when the swamp is also the only means of making substantial change. I don't pretend to have the answers, but Trump has already tried the "offend everyone" approach, and all it got him was 4 years of temporary EO's.

Bureaucrats run the country.

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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Why didn't DJT settle that score during his four years? What makes you think his next 4 will be different?

Have you done any research on DeSantis and how he buries the people that cross him?

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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Why didn't DJT settle that score during his four years? What makes you think his next 4 will be different?

Have you done any research on DeSantis and how he buries the people that cross him?

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This. You only hear about the bodies after he's done burying them.

Actions then words. That's how he does things.

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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Why didn't DJT settle that score during his four years? What makes you think his next 4 will be different?

Have you done any research on DeSantis and how he buries the people that cross him?

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Welcome to 2023.

DJT was wrongfully impeached following the uni-party political treachery known as "russia Russia russia". That tied up General Flynn, likely Trump's top military advisor.
With that his credibility was deeply hurt by the American people. He was then banned from Twitter. Lied about in MSM. And thorted by the likes of McCain, Romney, Ryan. Dod you think those with power would be so easily undone?

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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Why didn't DJT settle that score during his four years? What makes you think his next 4 will be different?

Have you done any research on DeSantis and how he buries the people that cross him?

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Welcome to 2023.

DJT was wrongfully impeached following the uni-party political treachery known as "russia Russia russia". That tied up General Flynn, likely Trump's top military advisor.
With that his credibility was deeply hurt by the American people. He was then banned from Twitter. Lied about in MSM. And thorted by the likes of McCain, Romney, Ryan. Dod you think those with power would be so easily undone?

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LOL. So no answer to the all important question of how 2025-2028 will be different?

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LOL. So no answer to the all important question of how 2025-2028 will be different?

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No guarantees of course, but it took acquiescence from lots of otherwise decent Americans for all that to be done to Trump. One thing that helped was Trumps behaviors that makes him so easy to dislike. Much (not all certainly) he brought upon himself or could have least done lots more to help himself. Many great policies as POTUS, but his public persona is just detestable.

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LOL. So no answer to the all important question of how 2025-2028 will be different?

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No guarantees of course, but it took acquiescence from lots of otherwise decent Americans for all that to be done to Trump. One thing that helped was Trumps behaviors that makes him so easy to dislike. Much (not all certainly) he brought upon himself or could have least done lots more to help himself. Many great policies as POTUS, but his public persona is just detestable.

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Exactly correct, and anecdotally, with people like me, who were his biggest champions for five years, off the train, it's simply going to be worse.

First, he's losing by at least 80 electoral votes. Second, even if a miracle happens, he won't have a competent cabinet and won't accomplish anything of note in term two.

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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Why didn't DJT settle that score during his four years? What makes you think his next 4 will be different?

Have you done any research on DeSantis and how he buries the people that cross him?

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Welcome to 2023.

DJT was wrongfully impeached following the uni-party political treachery known as "russia Russia russia". That tied up General Flynn, likely Trump's top military advisor.
With that his credibility was deeply hurt by the American people. He was then banned from Twitter. Lied about in MSM. And thorted by the likes of McCain, Romney, Ryan. Dod you think those with power would be so easily undone?

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LOL. So no answer to the all important question of how 2025-2028 will be different?

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I've answered this 100 times on 100 threads.

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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Why didn't DJT settle that score during his four years? What makes you think his next 4 will be different?

Have you done any research on DeSantis and how he buries the people that cross him?

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Welcome to 2023.

DJT was wrongfully impeached following the uni-party political treachery known as "russia Russia russia". That tied up General Flynn, likely Trump's top military advisor.
With that his credibility was deeply hurt by the American people. He was then banned from Twitter. Lied about in MSM. And thorted by the likes of McCain, Romney, Ryan. Dod you think those with power would be so easily undone?

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LOL. So no answer to the all important question of how 2025-2028 will be different?

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I've answered this 100 times on 100 threads.

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Should be relatively easy to copy and paste the reply then, no?

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Thanks Donald.

Primary I'm voting Desantis. General whomever has the R.

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DeSantis is an election of something new. Maybe a return of civility to republican party. Return of Christian principles. Not a guy with a score to settle against the swamp.

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I have a score to settle with the swamp and I want someone who will make it happen.

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Then you should be all aboard the Desantis aircraft carrier. He's actually stacking W's against them. Unlike Trump.