How do any of y'all even know if DeSantis was not in agreement with trumps endorsements? I damn guarantee you he agreed with every single one of them. If he didn't then why didn't he speak up and endorse somebody else?

Y'all just want to assume that he didn't agree with those endorsements because it makes you feel better for the spin that you're trying to make everyone on here believe.

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Lake lost when she allowed the media to frame her as an election denying insurrectionist.

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she really lost the election when she yelled at McCain voters to stay home

IN ARIZONA

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And Katie Hobbs embraced them from her bunker? They voted for Hobbs as some twisted homage to McCain?

OR they sabotaged the election by using long time operatives within the election bureaucracy to change ballot definition pdf files to render tabulators useless?

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Or, they stayed home and didn't vote because she literally told them to stay home. Ducey got 60,000 more votes than Lake did, think she could have used those McCain voters?

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What do people expect him to say about his biggest rival?



Look what Chuckles said about Corn Pop and look where that got her. That's it, Trump is going to be VP for DeSantis!

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If Trump was VP for DeSantis, I'd suggest DeSantis get a food taster and wear body armor to try to prevent a knife in the back.

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Her loyalty to Trump cost her. Everyone's loyalty to trump costs them. The press knows exactly which buttons to push.

"Do you believe the 2020 election was stolen?"

Non base Voters have proven they want to move on. But loyalty to trump requires that you answer that question in required fashion.

Kari Lake took the bait. You know who did not? Glenn Youngkin, Brian Kemp, and Ron DeSantis.

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DeSantis believes that 2020 was stolen. What happened to y'all? It's like y'all have all forgotten everything.

Youngkin came out to Arizona to stump for Kari. Some of you are so deep now in the Trump hate your acting like democrats.

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They are Democrats.

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What democrat policy positions do they hold?

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Your reading comprehension is terrible! He wasn't talking about the candidates, he was talking about the action of the posters.

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I've been called lots of things. Democrat has never been one of them

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How about squishy concerned moderate who is schizophrenic in their take on Republican candidates and threatens to take their toys and go home if they don't get their way?

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Your last paragraph has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on the internet

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Lake lost when she allowed the media to frame her as an election denying insurrectionist.

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she really lost the election when she yelled at McCain voters to stay home

IN ARIZONA

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And Katie Hobbs embraced them from her bunker? They voted for Hobbs as some twisted homage to McCain?

OR they sabotaged the election by using long time operatives within the election bureaucracy to change ballot definition pdf files to render tabulators useless?

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Or, they stayed home and didn't vote because she literally told them to stay home. Ducey got 60,000 more votes than Lake did, think she could have used those McCain voters?

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McCain "voters" didn't stay home. If they had, Lake wouldn't have won the primary.

ETA: And that's on them.

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Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Again, by what metric? Simple question.

I have no way of backing this up with any sources but my gut feeling is is that DeSantis and his advisers maybe discussing with him that might be better to hold off to run for president until 2028.

They obviously know that he has a lot of support, but they're not sure enough if his support his high enough to secure him the 2024 nominee.

They are looking at the polls and they see that Trump has a 30 point lead at this point and yes I think that would go down a little bit if DeSantis declared officially but I'm not sure it would go down that much 30 points is a tough deficit to overcome and they may be telling him Ron if you don't secure the nominee your credibility, your popularity, sours a little bit for 2028 and perhaps could even hurt you just being the governor of Florida in the meantime . This is a big risk that he would be taking as to how everything stands at the moment.

The Trump indictments are not going to hurt him, and more than likely this indictment will be thrown out eventually

I just think right now, DeSantis is still mulling this over if he has not declared by June, then he's not going to declare.

It would be a lot different at the polls, were showing a neck to neck battle between DeSantis and Trump but where we are as of today trumps got this in the bag

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Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Again, by what metric? Simple question.

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Just common sense. I will tell you that Trump has lost his mojo his momentum when he has a rally and only 500 people show up until then he hasn't hardly lost anybody.

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I have no way of backing this up with any sources but my gut feeling is is that DeSantis and his advisers maybe discussing with him that might be better to hold off to run for president until 2028.

They obviously know that he has a lot of support, but they're not sure enough if his support his high enough to secure him the 2024 nominee.

They are looking at the polls and they see that Trump has a 30 point lead at this point and yes I think that would go down a little bit if DeSantis declared officially but I'm not sure it would go down that much 30 points is a tough deficit to overcome and they may be telling him Ron if you don't secure the nominee your credibility, your popularity, sours a little bit for 2028 and perhaps could even hurt you just being the governor of Florida in the meantime . This is a big risk that he would be taking as to how everything stands at the moment.

The Trump indictments are not going to hurt him, and more than likely this indictment will be thrown out eventually

I just think right now, DeSantis is still mulling this over if he has not declared by June, then he's not going to declare.

It would be a lot different at the polls, were showing a neck to neck battle between DeSantis and Trump but where we are as of today trumps got this in the bag

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Appreciate your work, but I hope you're wrong.

Trump on the ballot = 4 more years of Biden and Kamala.

You can argue that his rallies comprises only of his base and that may indeed be the truth. I won't argue that, but his base is well intact just as much as it was in 2016, all the way to 2020.

I believe that the election was held tonight between Trump and Biden. Trump would get 74 million votes again the question is how many votes would Biden get ? there's a good chance that he would lose this time around because people would not vote for him who did in 2020 , who voted for Trump in 2020 would not vote for him again in 2024? Hardly anyone..

Many of the voters who wavered back-and-forth between Trump and Biden in 2020 and who ultimately pulled the trigger for Biden millions of those types of voters are not going to vote for Biden in 2024 because they've seen the disaster that this knucklehead has done to our country With that being said they may not vote for Trump. They would just sit out the election and if that scenario were to happen, those will be millions of votes that Biden would lose. Ultimately that would put Trump over the top.

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And the Cult of Trump will just think its the greatest thing ever said.

They want to burn down the GOP and the country just to give their orange god one last chance to lose an election and then claim it was stolen.

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By Cult do you mean the people he brought to the GOP? The people the GOP were not able to bring out to vote for the longest time?

Blue collar Dems, Hispanics and non educated whites.

Those are the people you are referring to and they are the people the GOP need to win the election period

Without his "cult" the GOP does not have a chance.

So if they are following the guy that got them to come out to begin with, they are not burning down anything.

Morons on here want to bad mouth his hardcore followers, but yall aren't sh** without them and damn sure won't win without them. With that being the case, it is Pretty dumb to refer to them as cult members and bad mouth them

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Agreed, I don't like President Trump's incessant narcissistic behavior and the current attacks on Governor DeSantis. I particularly despise the cult reference, it serves no purpose and is intentionally designed to illicit emotional responses.

If President Trump gets the nomination I will vote for him as the Democratic Party leadership seems to be embracing the rejection of the Constitution and rule of law.

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This is a good point this is something that's informed, intelligent and worthwhile mentioning.

DeSantis nor anyone for that matter can win without the Maga support, plain and simple

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First, who decides what is "informed, intelligent, and worthwhile mentioning" in a discussion about a candidate's political campaign strategy?

I'm going to vote for whoever wins the R nomination as I've always done because the Marxist alternative is completely unacceptable. That doesn't mean that legit criticism of Trump's behavior isn't valid.

All people are saying here is Trump is choosing the wrong targets for his rants and continues to make unforced errors. We believe his strategy ultimately hurts the R party's chance of winning because it draws attention away from the real enemies and continues to reveal his pettiness and narcissism instead. And there's evidence to support that assertion.

As for "DeSantis nor anyone can win without MAGA support, plain and simple," well, no kidding. But I'll go a step further, a R candidate cannot win without BOTH MAGA support AND moderate support unfortunately. That too is "plain and simple."

I firmly believe that DeSantis has a much greater chance of support from MAGA voters than Trump does with moderate voters. I think DeSantis will do ok with the former and pretty well with the latter. That's much better than having outstanding support from the former and very poor support from the latter.

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I have no way of backing this up with any sources but my gut feeling is is that DeSantis and his advisers maybe discussing with him that might be better to hold off to run for president until 2028.

They obviously know that he has a lot of support, but they're not sure enough if his support his high enough to secure him the 2024 nominee.

They are looking at the polls and they see that Trump has a 30 point lead at this point and yes I think that would go down a little bit if DeSantis declared officially but I'm not sure it would go down that much 30 points is a tough deficit to overcome and they may be telling him Ron if you don't secure the nominee your credibility, your popularity, sours a little bit for 2028 and perhaps could even hurt you just being the governor of Florida in the meantime . This is a big risk that he would be taking as to how everything stands at the moment.

The Trump indictments are not going to hurt him, and more than likely this indictment will be thrown out eventually

I just think right now, DeSantis is still mulling this over if he has not declared by June, then he's not going to declare.

It would be a lot different at the polls, were showing a neck to neck battle between DeSantis and Trump but where we are as of today trumps got this in the bag

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Appreciate your work, but I hope you're wrong.

Trump on the ballot = 4 more years of Biden and Kamala.

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And you're entitled to fill that you hope I'm wrong that's fine. I kind of hope I'm wrong myself, but I look at reality right now. Reality is pointing in the direction that I just mentioned.

No, that's an informed. Educated post like that in a poster

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Lake lost when she allowed the media to frame her as an election denying insurrectionist.

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she really lost the election when she yelled at McCain voters to stay home

IN ARIZONA

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And Katie Hobbs embraced them from her bunker? They voted for Hobbs as some twisted homage to McCain?

OR they sabotaged the election by using long time operatives within the election bureaucracy to change ballot definition pdf files to render tabulators useless?

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Or, they stayed home and didn't vote because she literally told them to stay home. Ducey got 60,000 more votes than Lake did, think she could have used those McCain voters?

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McCain "voters" didn't stay home. If they had, Lake wouldn't have won the primary.

ETA: And that's on them.

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I would argue McCain voters somewhat stayed home in the primary too (although primaries on both sides seem to usually favor the more extreme candidate), or else Taylor Robson would have won that and likely resulted in a very different race where Hobbs wouldn't have been able to hide the whole time.

Then, once Lake actually told them to "get the hell out" for whatever reason, those republican voters decided to listen to her. Another data point is the republican Treasurer getting 120K more votes than Lake. Seems obvious there were more votes to be had.

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You can argue that his rallies comprises only of his base and that may indeed be the truth. I won't argue that, but his base is well intact just as much as it was in 2016, all the way to 2020.

I believe that the election was held tonight between Trump and Biden. Trump would get 74 million votes again the question is how many votes would Biden get ? there's a good chance that he would lose this time around because people would not vote for him who did in 2020 , who voted for Trump in 2020 would not vote for him again in 2024? Hardly anyone..

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There are plenty that wouldn't vote for Trump in 2024 that voted for him in 2020. In 2020, he had the bully pulpit. He was running on a great economy in 2017-2019. People still found him humorous.

For the last 3 years, all people in the middle that voted Trump in 2020 have seen:

-Little to no policy discussion
-Freakshow of legal disputes
-Nonstop election fraud accusations
-Jan 6th noise
-2020 special election losses
-2022 midterm losses
-at odds with every other mainstream conservative
-indictments

A large group of people just want him to shut up and go away. They think he is poison to politics and the Republican Party. There will be people in this group sitting at home. Just like they did in 2016.

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Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Again, by what metric? Simple question.

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Just common sense. I will tell you that Trump has lost his mojo his momentum when he has a rally and only 500 people show up until then he hasn't hardly lost anybody.

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Common sense is not a metric.

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I'm sure you do. I know plenty as well, but those are anecdotal instances they don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

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I assumed by this you had some non-anecdotal evidence backing your claim that Trump has as much support as he did in 2020.

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Appreciate your work, but I hope you're wrong.

Trump on the ballot = 4 more years of Biden and Kamala.

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And you're entitled to fill that you hope I'm wrong that's fine. I kind of hope I'm wrong myself, but I look at reality right now. Reality is pointing in the direction that I just mentioned.

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We'll see how it plays out. The R nominee has my vote no matter who it is.

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All people are saying here is Trump is choosing the wrong targets for his rants and continues to make unforced errors, and we believe his strategy ultimately hurts the R party's chance of winning because it draws attention away from the real enemies and continues to reveal his pettiness and narcissism instead.

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I love me some Trump, but have to agree with you here.

Here's what gets me at times... this really is Trump being Trump. Hes in his late 70's, billionaire, timeless famous, and a former POTUS. No one is going to advise this man on a damn thing.

He is going to make errors and he is never, ever going to admit to those errors. He doesn't care if its mean, hurts the R party, anything. If it hurts the R party, Trump will just say that the R party needed some hurting.

He is who he is and is not going to change.

I can stomach the bad of Trump for the good of Trump. I think if people removed emotion and personalities and took a solid look at his good, then took an honest, self-respective look at the bad, then more would hold their nose and vote Trump.

Not at you, but day after day we have threads and posts talking about what Trump could do better to get their vote or what Trump could change to get him more votes.

We could be more productive to just say Trump will not change. May do many more things to piss us off, but has what he done to date and accomplished the better choice for the future of this Country knowing he is what he is.

One thing that I have picked up on this thread, and other threads recently compared to threads from several months ago is that now the DeSantis people are saying he has the best shot of winning whereas before they said all he'll win in a landslide over Biden.

now that time has gotten much closer to 2024 and I still realize there still a little bit of time before the campaign season gets underway it's getting a little too close to comfort so now again, they are saying he has the best shot instead of a for sure all in DeSantis has got this in the W column .

Just something that I've noticed in the last couple of weeks

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One thing that I have picked up on this thread, and other threads recently compared to threads from several months ago is that now the DeSantis people are saying he has the best shot of winning whereas before they said all he'll win in a landslide over Biden.

now that time has gotten much closer to 2024 and I still realize there still a little bit of time before the campaign season gets underway it's getting a little too close to comfort so now again, they are saying he has the best shot instead of a for sure all in DeSantis has got this in the W column .

Just something that I've noticed in the last couple of weeks

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If Trump were to quit attacking him and pledge to support whomever the R nominee is, DeSantis would go right back to being considered a shoo in

Deep down inside even the DeSantis supporters on here are not real sure and confident and they shouldn't be.

like I've said before the cheating is going to be worse. If DeSantis is the nominee do you think the Democrats don't know that DeSantis does a little bit better with moderates and independents than Trump? . Hell they're gonna stop that real quick.

That's all it takes? Well hell, we just need Trump to be nice man and the world will not end in 2024.

Its going to take a fight to beat the Dem ballot machines. Whomever the Rs sign up better be able to withstand the biggest punches, accusations, attacks, ****nannery the Ds can bring.

So Trump, who can do those things? Or DeSantis, who may or may not be able to do those things?

Waiting on Trump to put it out there that many women are uneasy around DeSantis.

I give it another week or two.

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One thing that I have picked up on this thread, and other threads recently compared to threads from several months ago is that now the DeSantis people are saying he has the best shot of winning whereas before they said all he'll win in a landslide over Biden.

now that time has gotten much closer to 2024 and I still realize there still a little bit of time before the campaign season gets underway it's getting a little too close to comfort so now again, they are saying he has the best shot instead of a for sure all in DeSantis has got this in the W column .

Just something that I've noticed in the last couple of weeks

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If Trump were to quit attacking him and pledge to support whomever the R nominee is, DeSantis would go right back to being considered a shoo in

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So you're saying the only way DeSantis would get the nomination is if Trump starts being nice to him so you're basically saying that DeSantis is that week and need Trump to be nice to him in order to win that's not that that doesn't say a lot about DeSantis if that was true, but that's not true

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Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Again, by what metric? Simple question.

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Just common sense. I will tell you that Trump has lost his mojo his momentum when he has a rally and only 500 people show up until then he hasn't hardly lost anybody.

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Common sense is not a metric.

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I'm sure you do. I know plenty as well, but those are anecdotal instances they don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

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I assumed by this you had some non-anecdotal evidence backing your claim that Trump has as much support as he did in 2020.

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Trump rallies are not anecdotal examples there's way too many of them for them to be. It's a pretty, and good indication that his support is still just as high as it always has been when he's packing out, stadiums and arenas by the thousands.

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Trump ushered in a fantastic tax cut and jobs act and probably navigated the early days of COVID better than many others by pushing more for states to determine their own paths. Hell, only reason DeSantis gained such massive popularity was Trump leaving him and Florida alone.

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Yes, Lockdown Don was great during the early days of COVID.

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Dates are important. Those were April when the facts were in turmoil. Even so here's :
Coronavirus: President Trump defends tweets against US states' lockdowns Published 18 April 2020

• Defending protests against stringent lockdowns

Trump says nationwide lockdown would 'ultimately inflict more harm than it would prevent' PUBLISHED MON, AUG 3 2020

Shows two things

• President Trump deferred to the power of the state
• As time passed & more facts became apparent his views changed

That said maybe President Trump should have listened more to this advisor:
Trump Coronavirus Adviser Scott Atlas, Who Called for Ending Lockdowns, Resigns Nov. 30, 2020

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I have no way of backing this up with any sources but my gut feeling is is that DeSantis and his advisers maybe discussing with him that might be better to hold off to run for president until 2028.

They obviously know that he has a lot of support, but they're not sure enough if his support his high enough to secure him the 2024 nominee.

They are looking at the polls and they see that Trump has a 30 point lead at this point and yes I think that would go down a little bit if DeSantis declared officially but I'm not sure it would go down that much 30 points is a tough deficit to overcome and they may be telling him Ron if you don't secure the nominee your credibility, your popularity, sours a little bit for 2028 and perhaps could even hurt you just being the governor of Florida in the meantime . This is a big risk that he would be taking as to how everything stands at the moment.

The Trump indictments are not going to hurt him, and more than likely this indictment will be thrown out eventually

I just think right now, DeSantis is still mulling this over if he has not declared by June, then he's not going to declare.

It would be a lot different at the polls, were showing a neck to neck battle between DeSantis and Trump but where we are as of today trumps got this in the bag

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Appreciate your work, but I hope you're wrong.

Trump on the ballot = 4 more years of Biden and Kamala.

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And you're entitled to fill that you hope I'm wrong that's fine. I kind of hope I'm wrong myself, but I look at reality right now. Reality is pointing in the direction that I just mentioned.

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No, you aren't describing reality.

You are describing YOUR imagination.

Hell you just stated above you are using your gut and common sense. Neither of those exist in reality.

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All people are saying here is Trump is choosing the wrong targets for his rants and continues to make unforced errors, and we believe his strategy ultimately hurts the R party's chance of winning because it draws attention away from the real enemies and continues to reveal his pettiness and narcissism instead.

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I love me some Trump, but have to agree with you here.

Here's what gets me at times... this really is Trump being Trump. Hes in his late 70's, billionaire, timeless famous, and a former POTUS. No one is going to advise this man on a damn thing.

He is going to make errors and he is never, ever going to admit to those errors. He doesn't care if its mean, hurts the R party, anything. If it hurts the R party, Trump will just say that the R party needed some hurting.

He is who he is and is not going to change.

I can stomach the bad of Trump for the good of Trump. I think if people removed emotion and personalities and took a solid look at his good, then took an honest, self-respective look at the bad, then more would hold their nose and vote Trump.

Not at you, but day after day we have threads and posts talking about what Trump could do better to get their vote or what Trump could change to get him more votes.

We could be more productive to just say Trump will not change. May do many more things to piss us off, but has what he done to date and accomplished the better choice for the future of this Country knowing he is what he is.

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I'm in agreement with you. But the problem here is you're thinking like a staunch conservative voter like I am. Basically, preaching to the choir. Like it or not, we have to hope and pray that the CMs and even many slightly left leaning voters also vote with us for Team R. I think Trump is too toxic for those people. DeSantis has much better impulse control and discipline. I think he's a better speaker who is capable of articulating issues and staying on topic better. I think he's politically more savvy. That's just as important as a candidate's policy positions because without the ability to actually win, a candidate's policies doesn't matter.

As frustrating as CMs and people who place too much importance on personality quirks are to us, we need their votes too. The democrats have too much entrenched support regardless of who they run, and that combined with election shenanigans, means a R candidate needs to not shoot themselves in the foot with the stupid sh**. Trump spends an inordinate amount of precious time focused on stupid sh** rather than the ample low hanging fruit that the democrats are currently providing.

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Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Again, by what metric? Simple question.

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Just common sense. I will tell you that Trump has lost his mojo his momentum when he has a rally and only 500 people show up until then he hasn't hardly lost anybody.

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Common sense is not a metric.

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I'm sure you do. I know plenty as well, but those are anecdotal instances they don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

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I assumed by this you had some non-anecdotal evidence backing your claim that Trump has as much support as he did in 2020.

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Trump rallies are not anecdotal examples there's way too many of them for them to be. It's a pretty, and good indication that his support is still just as high as it always has been when he's packing out, stadiums and arenas by the thousands.

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Okay so rally attendence is the primary metric you use to evaluate Trump's voter support (+gut and common sense)? Good luck out there if you really are in lobbying.

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Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Again, by what metric? Simple question.

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Just common sense. I will tell you that Trump has lost his mojo his momentum when he has a rally and only 500 people show up until then he hasn't hardly lost anybody.

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Common sense is not a metric.

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I'm sure you do. I know plenty as well, but those are anecdotal instances they don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

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I assumed by this you had some non-anecdotal evidence backing your claim that Trump has as much support as he did in 2020.

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Trump rallies are not anecdotal examples there's way too many of them for them to be. It's a pretty, and good indication that his support is still just as high as it always has been when he's packing out, stadiums and arenas by the thousands.

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The plural of anecdote isn't "data."

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Deep down inside even the DeSantis supporters on here are not real sure and confident and they shouldn't be.

like I've said before the cheating is going to be worse. If DeSantis is the nominee do you think the Democrats don't know that DeSantis does a little bit better with moderates and independents than Trump? . Hell they're gonna stop that real quick.

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Yes your right......

Because its incredible that so many are too stupid to understand a very basic reality: Trump cant win the General Election.

If they could set aside the insane worship of Trumps personality, they would easily see this fact and support a man with many of the same ideas as Trump but can actually win and implement these as policies.

Oh and the cheating-- much riskier for the demrats if the R's can muster an additional million or two million votes.

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Okay so rally attendence is the primary metric you use to evaluate Trump's voter support (+gut and common sense)? Good luck out there if you really are in lobbying.

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Elections were typically about candidate support and popularity. Rallies would seem to be a good indicator of the size of one's popularity peen, no?

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Deep down inside even the DeSantis supporters on here are not real sure and confident and they shouldn't be.

like I've said before the cheating is going to be worse. If DeSantis is the nominee do you think the Democrats don't know that DeSantis does a little bit better with moderates and independents than Trump? . Hell they're gonna stop that real quick.

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I was very confident 12 months ago. Because it looked like Trump might slink away and let DeSantis control the show. That momentum and unity and breath of fresh air in a campaign previously between 2 people past life expectancy would carry DeSantis to a significant victory in 2024.

Unfortunately, it is now clear that no one but the grim reaper will keep Trump from running. His core supporters have dug in and odds are we have a completely fractured Republican Party in 2024 and a huge win for the Dems.

So yea. I'm confident DeSantis is the right candidate and a much better one than Trump or Biden. I also think that Trump will continue to screw things up until he has a heart attack so I can't be too confident.