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In reply to lethalninja • 3:44p, 4/4/23
lethalninja said:
He's facing up to 136 years in prison, since each of the 34 charges carries up to four years in prison, but even if he's convicted, it's very unlikely that he'll get the maximum.
This particular story has reached its zenith. The Georgia stuff will be held out there for a bit but the heat is being turned up and will be increased on the MAL docs obstruction of justice nonsense.

Though a smart person will see the same issue. Trying for a process crime related to an alleged other crime that was / is not a crime.
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In reply to will25u • 3:45p, 4/4/23
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will25u said:
This is literally what Hillary Clinton's campaign did, except orders of magnitude worse. Intentionally "misleading" the intelligence agencies to illegally spy on an opponents campaign. I put "misleading" in quotes because they knew it was fake and did it anyway.
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In reply to lethalninja • 3:45p, 4/4/23
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lethalninja said:
He's facing up to 136 years in prison, since each of the 34 charges carries up to four years in prison, but even if he's convicted, it's very unlikely that he'll get the maximum.
The way they stacked those charges on what essentially was one act likely would not pass constitutional muster. So that aggregate sentence would not be imposed, not maybe not even allowed if it were go to trial beyond a single count or two.

But the failure to state a crime in this mess deprives Trump of due process. He needs to know what he is being accused of.
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3:46p, 4/4/23
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His crime was winning the 2016 election.
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3:47p, 4/4/23
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In reply to will25u • 3:47p, 4/4/23
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will25u said:
YOU DONT SAY?!
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In reply to TAMU1990 • 3:47p, 4/4/23
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No, his crime is running again in the 2024 election.
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In reply to TAMU1990 • 3:48p, 4/4/23
TAMU1990 said:
His crime was winning the 2016 election.


And exposing the submerged state.
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In reply to TxAgLaw03RW • 3:48p, 4/4/23
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TxAgLaw03RW said:
I don't think this should be analyzed like a typical criminal case, but should be looked at solely in terms of political considerations. If the first hearing on challenges to the merits isn't until December, any ruling, appeal, etc. puts you on the doorstep of the 2024 election and well into the primary. This was filed to affect the election, not to prosecute Trump with any meritorious charges.

Also, it appears the indictment is based on old evidence Bragg had at his disposal since he took office and the same evidence his predecessor used to consider charges. If that's correct, then why did he wait until now? In my opinion, it's to make this a campaign issue and no other reason.

Finally, there are still pending issues in Georgia and the classified documents case that will likely be piled on about the same time Trump gets the Republican nomination. Timing is likely not a coincidence and is probably all coordinated by Dem operatives.
This is a very risky and desperate strategy if it plays out like this. It is already a clown show, and the chance of this backfiring on them is very, very real in electoral terms IMO.
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In reply to will25u • 3:49p, 4/4/23
will25u said:
Anyone have any thoughts on this? Or does it not matter?
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3:50p, 4/4/23
https://www.sellonilaw.com/criminal-procedure/statute-of-limitations/

Periods Not Included in New York's Statute of Limitations

CPL Section 30.10(4) provides that when calculating the time limitation applicable to commencement of a criminal action, the following periods shall not be included:

(a) Any period following the commission of the offense during which (i) the defendant was continuously outside this state

The statute of limitations haven't run out like will25u said earlier
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In reply to lethalninja • 3:50p, 4/4/23
lethalninja said:
He's facing up to 136 years in prison, since each of the 34 charges carries up to four years in prison, but even if he's convicted, it's very unlikely that he'll get the maximum.
Even if convicted, he wouldn't face any prison time for these minimal charges.

As a convicted felon he'd still be eligible to run for POTUS in 2024. Could argue it helps him, at least in the primary.

However, I don't believe he would be eligible to vote (for himself) in Florida. So -1 vote.
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In reply to TxAgLaw03RW • 3:50p, 4/4/23
TxAgLaw03RW said:
No, his crime is running again in the 2024 election.
No, his crime was challenging the establishment / swamp. We were all warned. But people really need to heed the warning this time.

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In reply to American Hardwood • 3:51p, 4/4/23
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These are radicals with a media who is on their side. Just look how many people believe Trump is the worst person in history, it's probably not as risky as you think.
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In reply to lethalninja • 3:52p, 4/4/23
lethalninja said:
https://www.sellonilaw.com/criminal-procedure/statute-of-limitations/

Periods Not Included in New York's Statute of Limitations

CPL Section 30.10(4) provides that when calculating the time limitation applicable to commencement of a criminal action, the following periods shall not be included:

(a) Any period following the commission of the offense during which (i) the defendant was continuously outside this state

The statute of limitations haven't run out like will25u said earlier
I know nothing about law, besides don't break it. So I am posting things to get input on it.
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In reply to TxAgLaw03RW • 3:52p, 4/4/23
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TxAgLaw03RW said:
These are radicals with a media who is on their side. Just look how many people believe Trump is the worst person in history, it's probably not as risky as you think.
They felt pretty sure of themselves in 2016 too....
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In reply to lethalninja • 3:53p, 4/4/23
lethalninja said:
https://www.sellonilaw.com/criminal-procedure/statute-of-limitations/

Periods Not Included in New York's Statute of Limitations

CPL Section 30.10(4) provides that when calculating the time limitation applicable to commencement of a criminal action, the following periods shall not be included:

(a) Any period following the commission of the offense during which (i) the defendant was continuously outside this state

The statute of limitations haven't run out like will25u said earlier
He was not continuously out of the state AND there is also a stipulation that you are out of state with the purpose of avoiding prosecution in an attempt to have the statute of limitations run out.

But you seem to be on board with the level of thinking Bragg is on. Congrats...?
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In reply to Whistle Pig • 3:53p, 4/4/23
Whistle Pig said:
"Darth Cypto" Twitter lawyer, has solved the case!
Looks like "Darth Crypto" did indeed lay out EXACTLY what was going to happen.
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3:53p, 4/4/23
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Violation of penal law 175.10.

They said penal

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In reply to fka ftc • 3:54p, 4/4/23
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fka ftc said:
TxAgLaw03RW said:
No, his crime is running again in the 2024 election.
No, his crime was challenging the establishment / swamp. We were all warned. But people really need to heed the warning this time.

Facts.
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In reply to lethalninja • 3:54p, 4/4/23
lethalninja said:
https://www.sellonilaw.com/criminal-procedure/statute-of-limitations/

Periods Not Included in New York's Statute of Limitations

CPL Section 30.10(4) provides that when calculating the time limitation applicable to commencement of a criminal action, the following periods shall not be included:

(a) Any period following the commission of the offense during which (i) the defendant was continuously outside this state

The statute of limitations haven't run out like will25u said earlier
You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Your zeal and giddyness to "GOT HIM" is clouding your ability to think.
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In reply to fka ftc • 3:55p, 4/4/23
fka ftc said:
lethalninja said:
https://www.sellonilaw.com/criminal-procedure/statute-of-limitations/

Periods Not Included in New York's Statute of Limitations

CPL Section 30.10(4) provides that when calculating the time limitation applicable to commencement of a criminal action, the following periods shall not be included:

(a) Any period following the commission of the offense during which (i) the defendant was continuously outside this state

The statute of limitations haven't run out like will25u said earlier
He was not continuously out of the state AND there is also a stipulation that you are out of state with the purpose of avoiding prosecution in an attempt to have the statute of limitations run out.

But you seem to be on board with the level of thinking Bragg is on. Congrats...?
Exactly.
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In reply to will25u • 3:55p, 4/4/23
will25u said:
Whistle Pig said:
"Darth Cypto" Twitter lawyer, has solved the case!
Looks like "Darth Crypto" did indeed lay out EXACTLY what was going to happen.
Someone saw their shadow and has returned to the den / mother's basement.
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In reply to will25u • 3:56p, 4/4/23
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Anyone have any thoughts on this? Or does it not matter?
What is the central evidence here as ledger entries in the books of a privately owned corporation. First, Trump did not make those entries even when he was running the business. He may have directed the entries to be made but proving that is hard. And they haven't really even said that exactly.

Now, when he was already in office and not in the know about what was happening with the business? How would that be proven? And again, they haven't even explained that either.

So yes, that makes a difference.
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3:57p, 4/4/23
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The NY AG releases the Grand Jury Indictment!





Yawn.
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In reply to fka ftc • 3:58p, 4/4/23
I don't think he should be charged, but the stipulation you mentioned isn't in New York's statute of limitations.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 3:58p, 4/4/23
GeorgiAg said:
The NY AG releases the Grand Jury Indictment!





Yawn.
Why have you allied yourself with people like Bragg and Biden?
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3:58p, 4/4/23
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1) Paying $ to someone in exchange for their legally agreed-to consent to quietly go away isn't a crime…

2) Even if #1 was false, Trump wasn't in charge of his business dealings in 2017…it was in a trust…. So how could Trump have filed false business records for a business he wasn't running?

I mean…is this really what we have indicted a former head of state on? This is what has the world a tizzy?

Jesus H. Christ…this nation has completely jumped the shark…
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 3:58p, 4/4/23
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BadMoonRisin said:
will25u said:
This is literally what Hillary Clinton's campaign did, except orders of magnitude worse. Intentionally "misleading" the intelligence agencies to illegally spy on an opponents campaign. I put "misleading" in quotes because they knew it was fake and did it anyway.
Not only that, but it's exactly what Bragg is doing NOW.

From August 2015 to December 2017, the Defendant orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit the Defendant's electoral prospects.

is very similar to:
From April 2023 to December 2023, the District Attorney orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2024 presidential election by indicting him of vague process crimes in order to promote continuous negative publication and benefit the Democrat's electoral prospects.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:02p, 4/4/23
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I don't work in NY state court and I certainly don't do any criminal work. Is there some mandamus-type remedy to move the ball on dismissing this, uh, "indictment" in a more expeditious manner or are we stuck waiting until the court gets around to a motions docket at the end of 23/beginning of 24?
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In reply to fka ftc • 4:02p, 4/4/23
fka ftc said:
TxAgLaw03RW said:
No, his crime is running again in the 2024 election.
No, his crime was challenging the establishment / swamp. We were all warned. But people really need to heed the warning this time.

this meme is as cringe now as it was four years ago, maybe even more so now
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In reply to Old McDonald • 4:03p, 4/4/23
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Old McDonald said:
fka ftc said:
TxAgLaw03RW said:
No, his crime is running again in the 2024 election.
No, his crime was challenging the establishment / swamp. We were all warned. But people really need to heed the warning this time.

this meme is as cringe now as it was four years ago, maybe even more so now
Typical leftist. Cringes at the truth.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 4:04p, 4/4/23
Old McDonald said:

this meme is as cringe now as it was four years ago, maybe even more so now
Yet it is a fact. And the human refuse you support would most certainly put conservatives in camps if they could. They have already done so.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 4:07p, 4/4/23
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Old McDonald said:
fka ftc said:
TxAgLaw03RW said:
No, his crime is running again in the 2024 election.
No, his crime was challenging the establishment / swamp. We were all warned. But people really need to heed the warning this time.

this meme is as cringe now as it was four years ago, maybe even more so now

Cringe? It's the truth. Does that bother you?
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