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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

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This such a tired trope.

Nobody has done that. Stop the nonsense.

I know, I know. You're a 2A advocate and hunt and have lots of guns, but.....

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You are part of the problem. Do nothing, nothing to see here. Move along. We cannot keep doing this *****

I cannot be more clear in my stance. Come up with a solution that does not violate 2a (EG Just for you, this covers NOT banning "Assault" rifles, which is BS and will not do anything), keeps firearms in law-abiding citizens' hands, and does not create some kind of centralized government DB of firearm owners.

Now come up with a concrete solution that will keep firearms or prevent them from getting into the hands of like I posted before, criminals, domestic abusers, and mentally ill people.

If they are willing, I am 100% behind in allowing teachers to be armed (concealed carry). But that is not the complete solution. I have no idea what it is, but we need something.

Being a 2a advocate is not binary. You can be a staunch gun rights supporter and still see a problem with school shootings.

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There have been a dozen solutions offered on this thread, some even from myself. Your inability to read is not my fault.

You just want to throw a childish temper tantrum, stomp your feet, and scream "do something" and then continue without doing a damn thing yourself. Grow up.

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You seem to have comprehension issues. I SPECIFICALLY typed, our congressmen need to come up with a solid bill that they try to pass with every session. I also SPECIFICALLY typed, not talking about message board posting.

FFS

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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

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This such a tired trope.

Nobody has done that. Stop the nonsense.

I know, I know. You're a 2A advocate and hunt and have lots of guns, but.....

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You are part of the problem. Do nothing, nothing to see here. Move along. We cannot keep doing this *****

I cannot be more clear in my stance. Come up with a solution that does not violate 2a (EG Just for you, this covers NOT banning "Assault" rifles, which is BS and will not do anything), keeps firearms in law-abiding citizens' hands, and does not create some kind of centralized government DB of firearm owners.

Now come up with a concrete solution that will keep firearms or prevent them from getting into the hands of like I posted before, criminals, domestic abusers, and mentally ill people.

If they are willing, I am 100% behind in allowing teachers to be armed (concealed carry). But that is not the complete solution. I have no idea what it is, but we need something.

Being a 2a advocate is not binary. You can be a staunch gun rights supporter and still see a problem with school shootings.

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There have been a dozen solutions offered on this thread, some even from myself. Your inability to read is not my fault.

You just want to throw a childish temper tantrum, stomp your feet, and scream "do something" and then continue without doing a damn thing yourself. Grow up.

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You seem to have comprehension issues. I SPECIFICALLY typed, our congressmen need to come up with a solid bill that they try to pass with every session. I also SPECIFICALLY typed, not talking about message board posting.

FFS

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So you want the government to solve all your problems. Got it. You might want to trot back over to premium with that nonsense.

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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

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This such a tired trope.

Nobody has done that. Stop the nonsense.

I know, I know. You're a 2A advocate and hunt and have lots of guns, but.....

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You are part of the problem. Do nothing, nothing to see here. Move along. We cannot keep doing this *****

I cannot be more clear in my stance. Come up with a solution that does not violate 2a (EG Just for you, this covers NOT banning "Assault" rifles, which is BS and will not do anything), keeps firearms in law-abiding citizens' hands, and does not create some kind of centralized government DB of firearm owners.

Now come up with a concrete solution that will keep firearms or prevent them from getting into the hands of like I posted before, criminals, domestic abusers, and mentally ill people.

If they are willing, I am 100% behind in allowing teachers to be armed (concealed carry). But that is not the complete solution. I have no idea what it is, but we need something.

Being a 2a advocate is not binary. You can be a staunch gun rights supporter and still see a problem with school shootings.

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There have been a dozen solutions offered on this thread, some even from myself. Your inability to read is not my fault.

You just want to throw a childish temper tantrum, stomp your feet, and scream "do something" and then continue without doing a damn thing yourself. Grow up.

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You seem to have comprehension issues. I SPECIFICALLY typed, our congressmen need to come up with a solid bill that they try to pass with every session. I also SPECIFICALLY typed, not talking about message board posting.

FFS

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So you want the government to solve all your problems. Got it. You might want to trot back over to premium with that nonsense.

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lol not my problem, got it bud. I'm moving on from your trolling.

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I'm tired of seeing kids who are my kids' age dead on the news. I'm tired of seeing dead teachers (both my mom and my wife are teachers.)

What can be done? I'm pro-2A and hunt multiple times per year, own multiple AR15's and cans but for me every possible solution is on the table.

What can be done to stop what is happening?

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First, take all things in perspective. All deaths are tragic, especially kids. However, school shootings are not the biggest threat to children today. Not even close.

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Not at school specifically, but firearms injury is the #1 cause of childhood death in the US. Shooting is literally and objectively the biggest threat to children today.

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This is not accurate. More kids die from automobile accidents than from firearms.

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No they don't. Not anymore.

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Need to take into account the massive increase due to suicide once the scamdemic started.

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1991sir said:

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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

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This such a tired trope.

Nobody has done that. Stop the nonsense.

I know, I know. You're a 2A advocate and hunt and have lots of guns, but.....

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You are part of the problem. Do nothing, nothing to see here. Move along. We cannot keep doing this *****

I cannot be more clear in my stance. Come up with a solution that does not violate 2a (EG Just for you, this covers NOT banning "Assault" rifles, which is BS and will not do anything), keeps firearms in law-abiding citizens' hands, and does not create some kind of centralized government DB of firearm owners.

Now come up with a concrete solution that will keep firearms or prevent them from getting into the hands of like I posted before, criminals, domestic abusers, and mentally ill people.

If they are willing, I am 100% behind in allowing teachers to be armed (concealed carry). But that is not the complete solution. I have no idea what it is, but we need something.

Being a 2a advocate is not binary. You can be a staunch gun rights supporter and still see a problem with school shootings.

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there is no concrete solution to doing that. If someone wants to break the law, they will.

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This. The gun is nothing more than a tool. Evil will find a way, and people who want to harm others will use other tools.

Waukesha was a Ford
Boston Marathon was a pressure cooker
Charlottesville was a Dodge
9/11 was box cutters and planes
Portland Train was a knife
Lone Star College in 2013 was with a knife
US Capital attack in 2021 was with a Nissan

Politicians gain from this problem by not solving it. There's the bigger problem. Progressives claim to want change, but that change damn sure can't benefit conservatives. We are run by idiots and I contend that problem is bigger than school shootings.

There are schools districts that have armed faculty/staff, taken down "gun-free zone" signs and put up signage stating that some faculty/staff are carrying concealed. These districts are not having issues with shootings. The cowards doing these attacks are looking for easy targets where they will not have to engage in combat until they have killed many innocent people. Gun-free zones are one of the worst concepts ever.

Is there a real world solution? Yes. Feasible? Probably not in the current environment.

The solution is to recreate the asylums for seriously mentally disturbed patients. Get them out of prisons and into real treatment. Additionally take real concrete steps to rebuild the nuclear family in this country.

That's it. That's the solution. Yes you can stop gap by putting into safe rooms, or arm teachers or whatever else, but it doesn't stop without getting seriously mentally ill people out of the population exposed to insane stimuli and try and plug the real cause of mental illness that is the broken home.

Good luck getting either of those things achieved.

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Some teachers training the same way as air marshals. There has to be an immediate response. to much damage can be done with a 10 to 15 minute response time from police. and that's a response time that is quick.

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I think OP was looking for "real, feasible" solutions. Suggesting training public school teachers like law enforcement or federal law enforcement agents is a non starter. For one there are physical requirements for being law enforcement that isn't in place for public school teachers.

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Physical requirements are not needed just handgun proficiency. I'm an old fat guy but I could run across a school and put down a gunman if I needed to. This is just and excuse. You just need a few people with guts who want to protect the school faculty and kids from harm.

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This is next level delusion approaching delusions of grandeur. Physical requirements are needed for law enforcement especially federal law enforcement. You've convinced yourself of some athletic or physical ability but that doesn't make it true. There's actual multiple example of in shape law enforcement not able to do anything in these situations. Of course it's easy to be some tough guy, Batman through a computer screen. It's just the reality of the matter.

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Good to know that only Ironman Triathletes can shoot someone else.

Let retired people volunteer their time to be a constant presence.

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Is there a real world solution? Yes. Feasible? Probably not in the current environment.

The solution is to recreate the asylums for seriously mentally disturbed patients. Get them out of prisons and into real treatment. Additionally take real concrete steps to rebuild the nuclear family in this country.

That's it. That's the solution. Yes you can stop gap by putting into safe rooms, or arm teachers or whatever else, but it doesn't stop without getting seriously mentally ill people out of the population exposed to insane stimuli and try and plug the real cause of mental illness that is the broken home.

Good luck getting either of those things achieved.

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The uncomfortable conversations I've mentioned.

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There are schools districts that have armed faculty/staff, taken down "gun-free zone" signs and put up signage stating that some faculty/staff are carrying concealed. These districts are not having issues with shootings. The cowards doing these attacks are looking for easy targets where they will not have to engage in combat until they have killed many innocent people. Gun-free zones are one of the worst concepts ever.

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Arming teachers sounds good in theory but it's also an unrealistic fantasy to think it's a feasible solution.

First, they didn't sign up to be put on the front lines. We can't just tell a bunch of teachers, most of whom are untrained in combat, that the onus is on them to protect kids from school shootings.

Second, let's say we do arm them. We have NO IDEA how they're going to react in high stress situations. The vast majority of people, much less people who have shot guns, have not been in high stress situations where they need to use a gun to defend themselves. There are so many things that can go wrong and I can easily see the situation being worse, not better, with teachers being armed.

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There are schools districts that have armed faculty/staff, taken down "gun-free zone" signs and put up signage stating that some faculty/staff are carrying concealed. These districts are not having issues with shootings. The cowards doing these attacks are looking for easy targets where they will not have to engage in combat until they have killed many innocent people. Gun-free zones are one of the worst concepts ever.

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Arming teachers sounds good in theory but it's also an unrealistic fantasy to think it's a feasible solution.

First, they didn't sign up to be put on the front lines. We can't just tell a bunch of teachers, most of whom are untrained in combat, that the onus is on them to protect kids from school shootings.

Second, let's say we do arm them. We have NO IDEA how they're going to react in high stress situations. The vast majority of people, much less people who have shot guns, have not been in high stress situations where they need to use a gun to defend themselves. There are so many things that can go wrong and I can easily see the situation being worse, not better, with teachers being armed.

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It's literally being done in hundreds of schools across Texas already.

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Arm the teachers who are competent to carry and hire Ex Military personnel to guard the school.

Bringing back public execution might work too.

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While I'd be in favor of hiring guards for schools, there are a little over 100,000 public and private schools in the US. I don't know if we have 100,000 ex-military personnel who would want the jobs.

I'm not sure how it gets paid for. Figure $50-$75k per guard x 100k schools, you have to come up with $5-$8 billion annually to pay for it. Seems like an expensive solution.

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The only real downside is that the quality of recruits for the TSA would drop even further than it already is.

Being 100% safe all the time is an illusion. There will be gun violence with the 2A as it is.

But the 2A protects us from tyranny which would be much worse.

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Is there a real world solution? Yes. Feasible? Probably not in the current environment.

The solution is to recreate the asylums for seriously mentally disturbed patients. Get them out of prisons and into real treatment. Additionally take real concrete steps to rebuild the nuclear family in this country.

That's it. That's the solution. Yes you can stop gap by putting into safe rooms, or arm teachers or whatever else, but it doesn't stop without getting seriously mentally ill people out of the population exposed to insane stimuli and try and plug the real cause of mental illness that is the broken home.

Good luck getting either of those things achieved.

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Or enact red flag laws so that mentally disturbed patients cannot legally purchase firearms. This is a prime situation where red flag laws would have helped, considering her family went on record saying she should not own guns, yet she bought 7 guns from 5 stores legally with no problems whatsoever. Have a system to lift the red flags in court if the individual believes it was wrongfully imposed on them.

I am convinced the Uvalde shooting could have been avoided if we had proper red flag laws. That mother****er should never have been able to legally buy any firearm anywhere.

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There are schools districts that have armed faculty/staff, taken down "gun-free zone" signs and put up signage stating that some faculty/staff are carrying concealed. These districts are not having issues with shootings. The cowards doing these attacks are looking for easy targets where they will not have to engage in combat until they have killed many innocent people. Gun-free zones are one of the worst concepts ever.

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Arming teachers sounds good in theory but it's also an unrealistic fantasy to think it's a feasible solution.

First, they didn't sign up to be put on the front lines. We can't just tell a bunch of teachers, most of whom are untrained in combat, that the onus is on them to protect kids from school shootings.

Second, let's say we do arm them. We have NO IDEA how they're going to react in high stress situations. The vast majority of people, much less people who have shot guns, have not been in high stress situations where they need to use a gun to defend themselves. There are so many things that can go wrong and I can easily see the situation being worse, not better, with teachers being armed.

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You're under the impression that there aren't a person or two at each school who currently have their LTC and shoot regularly. You meet my mom and you'll think "oh, there's a super nice lady." You'd never know she's been to a gun range more this year than I have in the past 2 combined.

I guarantee you that there are vehicles in every school parking lot that have guns in it, especially when you get out of the cities, and their owners would probably love to be able to carry while working.

Nothing will totally stop mindless violence, but school shootings aren't the acts of the 'normal' cast of criminals. It's mostly disturbed individuals who have lost or misplaced their sense of right vs wrong. Trying to reduce the number or type of firearms is ridiculous, but reducing access to them by the sort of people whose minds have become warped would help a lot. Two things can help. Restrict access to firearms in the home so some kid with his wires crossed can't get one of his parent's guns and use it on classmates, and red flag laws where a person recognized as being unstable is not allowed access to firearms until they're back in their right mind.

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Let retired people volunteer their time to be a constant presence.

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Or, have several paid part-time.

barbacoa taco said:

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There are schools districts that have armed faculty/staff, taken down "gun-free zone" signs and put up signage stating that some faculty/staff are carrying concealed. These districts are not having issues with shootings. The cowards doing these attacks are looking for easy targets where they will not have to engage in combat until they have killed many innocent people. Gun-free zones are one of the worst concepts ever.

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Arming teachers sounds good in theory but it's also an unrealistic fantasy to think it's a feasible solution.

First, they didn't sign up to be put on the front lines. We can't just tell a bunch of teachers, most of whom are untrained in combat, that the onus is on them to protect kids from school shootings.

Second, let's say we do arm them. We have NO IDEA how they're going to react in high stress situations. The vast majority of people, much less people who have shot guns, have not been in high stress situations where they need to use a gun to defend themselves. There are so many things that can go wrong and I can easily see the situation being worse, not better, with teachers being armed.

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Uh, yeah, they totally did sign up to be on the front lines.

• Jonesboro was almost 30 years ago
• Columbine was over 20 years ago
• Sandy Hook was over 10 years ago

You can't tell me that a teacher who has entered the profession during the past 20 years didn't know what they were getting into.

Your argument is like saying an airline pilot never expected to be hijacked so didn't need to be prepared for that scenario.

The day there was a school shooting at the HS I was substitute teaching at, it was unexpected but that was 1994, not 2023.

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Nothing will totally stop mindless violence, but school shootings aren't the acts of the 'normal' cast of criminals. It's mostly disturbed individuals who have lost or misplaced their sense of right vs wrong. Trying to reduce the number or type of firearms is ridiculous, but reducing access to them by the sort of people whose minds have become warped would help a lot. Two things can help. Restrict access to firearms in the home so some kid with his wires crossed can't get one of his parent's guns and use it on classmates, and red flag laws where a person recognized as being unstable is not allowed access to firearms until they're back in their right mind.

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that goes back to having stability in the family. The overwhelming majority of crimes are committed by people who come from broken homes and terrible structure within the family. It isn't the normal kids who come from good families that are shooting up the schools.

barbacoa taco said:

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Is there a real world solution? Yes. Feasible? Probably not in the current environment.

The solution is to recreate the asylums for seriously mentally disturbed patients. Get them out of prisons and into real treatment. Additionally take real concrete steps to rebuild the nuclear family in this country.

That's it. That's the solution. Yes you can stop gap by putting into safe rooms, or arm teachers or whatever else, but it doesn't stop without getting seriously mentally ill people out of the population exposed to insane stimuli and try and plug the real cause of mental illness that is the broken home.

Good luck getting either of those things achieved.

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Or enact red flag laws so that mentally disturbed patients cannot legally purchase firearms. This is a prime situation where red flag laws would have helped, considering her family went on record saying she should not own guns, yet she bought 7 guns from 5 stores legally with no problems whatsoever. Have a system to lift the red flags in court if the individual believes it was wrongfully imposed on them.

I am convinced the Uvalde shooting could have been avoided if we had proper red flag laws. That mother****er should never have been able to legally buy any firearm anywhere.

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You almost stumbled upon a logical point, in that the parents/healthcare officials failed to report her condition to law enforcement so that an investigation should be opened into her condition that might have flagged her from purchasing a gun, and then the school failed to have adequate armed security on site, just as was the case in Uvalde, but at least the Nashville cops responded quickly/effectively.

In both cases, it took a 'good guy with a gun' to stop a crazy shooter under the influence, very likely, of various drugs/antidepressants. Her mom was a negligent gun grabber too, no doubt a democrat voter. So we have another group of fatalities around a Democrat failure. I don't think we should go to Democrats for solutions until they solve the gun crime problems in their very own plantation cities though.

If a city/state wants to enact various constitutional red flag laws, I can respect their choices. I do think it's sad that more states that are not communist/democrat controlled (like Tennessee) still have signs up around schools about them being 'gun free' killing zones. One of Algore/Bill Clinton's worst creations.

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If they ban and confiscate all guns, the thugs and the crazies will just stab you.

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The number of knife or sharp instrument offences recorded by the police in London rose to approximately 11,122 in 2021/22, compared with 10,150, which had the fewest number of knife crimes in a reporting year since 2015/16, when there were 9,752 offences.

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But no drvie-bys.

Based on your post, you choose to accept school shootings as a simple fact of life in America.

I do not.

I find it surprising you say that, considering you have lived abroad for such a long time in countries where school shootings are virtually nonexistent. In Australia or any European country, they would consider one school shooting completely unacceptable. In America, we consider regular school shootings an acceptable price to pay for freedom. I figured your perspective on this subject would be different.

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Some teachers training the same way as air marshals. There has to be an immediate response. to much damage can be done with a 10 to 15 minute response time from police. and that's a response time that is quick.

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I think OP was looking for "real, feasible" solutions. Suggesting training public school teachers like law enforcement or federal law enforcement agents is a non starter. For one there are physical requirements for being law enforcement that isn't in place for public school teachers.

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Physical requirements are not needed just handgun proficiency. I'm an old fat guy but I could run across a school and put down a gunman if I needed to. This is just and excuse. You just need a few people with guts who want to protect the school faculty and kids from harm.

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This is next level delusion approaching delusions of grandeur. Physical requirements are needed for law enforcement especially federal law enforcement. You've convinced yourself of some athletic or physical ability but that doesn't make it true. There's actual multiple example of in shape law enforcement not able to do anything in these situations. Of course it's easy to be some tough guy, Batman through a computer screen. It's just the reality of the matter.

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The only physical requirement is having legs and a trigger finger

Get a clue

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There are schools districts that have armed faculty/staff, taken down "gun-free zone" signs and put up signage stating that some faculty/staff are carrying concealed. These districts are not having issues with shootings. The cowards doing these attacks are looking for easy targets where they will not have to engage in combat until they have killed many innocent people. Gun-free zones are one of the worst concepts ever.

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Arming teachers sounds good in theory but it's also an unrealistic fantasy to think it's a feasible solution.

First, they didn't sign up to be put on the front lines. We can't just tell a bunch of teachers, most of whom are untrained in combat, that the onus is on them to protect kids from school shootings.

Second, let's say we do arm them. We have NO IDEA how they're going to react in high stress situations. The vast majority of people, much less people who have shot guns, have not been in high stress situations where they need to use a gun to defend themselves. There are so many things that can go wrong and I can easily see the situation being worse, not better, with teachers being armed.

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well for one thing nobody is saying to force teachers to carry, much less all of them. Let those who so choose and are credentialed to volunteer. Their are many teacher who carry outside of school, to not allow them to do so in there work environment is ridiculous.


On you're second part. Well, we all saw how the "trained" police force did in Uvalde. That should be the end of that argument.

ETA: also have to think about in rural areas where outside response time from police force can be longer than if in a city. The more good guys near a school with guns (teachers) the better and more effective.

Get families back to church

yeah. In Nashville and Uvalde, as is the case with most mass shootings, the shooter is at least known to law enforcement. Yet they still almost always get their weapons legally without issue. I am convinced a national red flag database would be a step in the right direction.

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Better check your data. More kids are killed by auto accidents due to texting and cell phones per NTSB.

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Lies

defined as persons 1 to 19 years of age.


Take out 18 and 19 year olds, ie the gang deaths.

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yeah. In Nashville and Uvalde, as is the case with most mass shootings, the shooter is at least known to law enforcement. Yet they still almost always get their weapons legally without issue. I am convinced a national red flag database would be a step in the right direction.

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kinda like how career felons always seem to somehow get a weapon without issue???

GeorgiAg said:

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If they ban and confiscate all guns, the thugs and the crazies will just stab you.

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The number of knife or sharp instrument offences recorded by the police in London rose to approximately 11,122 in 2021/22, compared with 10,150, which had the fewest number of knife crimes in a reporting year since 2015/16, when there were 9,752 offences.

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/

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Don't forget a sharp rise in acid attacks

GeorgiAg said:

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If they ban and confiscate all guns, the thugs and the crazies will just stab you.

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The number of knife or sharp instrument offences recorded by the police in London rose to approximately 11,122 in 2021/22, compared with 10,150, which had the fewest number of knife crimes in a reporting year since 2015/16, when there were 9,752 offences.

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/

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There's also a much easier path for guns on the black market here (See the War on Drugs). The current situation at the border only exacerbates the issue.

When there the demand and the means guns WILL continue to find their way into the wrong hands. If not, they'll be replaced by something else.

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Better check your data. More kids are killed by auto accidents due to texting and cell phones per NTSB.

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

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Lies

defined as persons 1 to 19 years of age.


Take out 18 and 19 year olds, ie the gang deaths.

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Interesting.

I would love to see data on gun deaths by individual age or small groupings of age ranges.

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There are schools districts that have armed faculty/staff, taken down "gun-free zone" signs and put up signage stating that some faculty/staff are carrying concealed. These districts are not having issues with shootings. The cowards doing these attacks are looking for easy targets where they will not have to engage in combat until they have killed many innocent people. Gun-free zones are one of the worst concepts ever.

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Arming teachers sounds good in theory but it's also an unrealistic fantasy to think it's a feasible solution.

First, they didn't sign up to be put on the front lines. We can't just tell a bunch of teachers, most of whom are untrained in combat, that the onus is on them to protect kids from school shootings.

Second, let's say we do arm them. We have NO IDEA how they're going to react in high stress situations. The vast majority of people, much less people who have shot guns, have not been in high stress situations where they need to use a gun to defend themselves. There are so many things that can go wrong and I can easily see the situation being worse, not better, with teachers being armed.

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well for one thing nobody is saying to force teachers to carry, much less all of them. Let those who so choose and are credentialed to volunteer. Their are many teacher who carry outside of school, to not allow them to do so in there work environment is ridiculous.


On you're second part. Well, we all saw how the "trained" police force did in Uvalde. That should be the end of that argument.

ETA: also have to think about in rural areas where outside response time from police force can be longer than if in a city. The more good guys near a school with guns (teachers) the better and more effective.

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You can't account for anything, we don't know how soldiers are going to react until they have to.

Over 300 hundred school districts allow armed staff......time for the rest to follow.


"The requirements for the guardian program are decided by individual school boards, and, according to Theresa Gage with the Texas Association of School Boards, 389 districts allow the guardian program".

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For starters lock the damn doors. Both outside doors and doors to all the classrooms. Solid steel doors with only minimal glass is even better. Keep the shooter out of the building or at least in the halls. Allow teachers that wish to go armed to train and carry. Place signage around the school informing everyone that teachers and Admin are armed and prepared to respond. School safety officers where needed (they are mostly there to prevent and stop fights so not all schools have them) they should be armed or have quick access to weapons.

Lock up crazy people instead of relying on them to self admin their non-crazy pills.

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Pretty much where I am on several points. You cannot kill school kids inside a school if you cannot get inside the school. Some say they do not want schools to look like a prison, but the choice is better security and safer schools vs allowing easy access by those with ill intent.

Our elementary school recently had a promotion where kids could wear a ribbon thing (cost was $1) to celebrate homecoming. I knew the gal in charge of it and I asked if she felt there would be a lot of kids who could not participate, and she said quite a few. So, I told her I would bring a check so those in that group could get a ribbon. I had not been on the campus in years and had no idea what to expect security wise. I park in visitor parking and walk right into the cafeteria and the office is right beside it. No locked door, nobody even saw me until I went to the office window. All glass walls on the office. That cannot be allowed to happen. A bad guy wouldn't need an AR, two Glocks and 8 magazines and he or she could have killed the 8 or so in the office in seconds. A full cafeteria would have provided another several dozen that could have been shot in a couple of minutes.

So many don't like the idea of teachers and administrators being armed. And probably over half would not choose to be, nor should they be. But there are plenty of teachers and coaches and administrators that are outdoors folk like so many of us, they hunt, fish, etc. Having some of them armed would be a help. Determine some sort of training standards and get with it. Gun free zones are beyond stupid.

In addition to your points, I would have security cameras throughout the school, halls, and classrooms that can be seen from the central office, classrooms, cafeteria, etc. so that is something starts to happen everyone knows where it is going on.

And though it would apparently not helped in this case, we need to start being much more harsh in the punishment of criminals than we are. We catch and release criminals every day, they are often not punished in any meaningful way.