The technology to stop them has been around at least 10 years. I saw a demonstration that with one button locked every door and closed it then put electric charge in glass to fog it so you can't see through and piped in smoke to cloud halls so shooter can't get clear sight. It costs money but not as much as Ukraine.

Obviously there are other things to do to prevent entry in first place, but there are definitely relatively affordable ways to combat them.

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I'm only half kidding, but this may be a good application for those creepy robot dogs. Have a few of them armed and roaming around the campus.

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No, before long in commie areas the dogs would be required to be equipped to report any misgendering/unapproved language to retain federal funding for battery charging etc. "woof woof you have been reported to the TEA and Randi Weingarten will be contacting the school district about your evil thoughts/lack of support for abortion and furries trans."

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Arm the teachers who are competent to carry and hire Ex Military personnel to guard the school.

Bringing back medieval torture and televise it to the masses for these freaks.

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FIFY

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StockHorseAg said:

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Arm the teachers who are competent to carry and hire Ex Military personnel to guard the school.

Bringing back public execution might work too.

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This also isn't feasible or realistic solution. Arm every school in America with ex military seems like a bad movie plot. Where would the money even come from. As it stands now schools with less favorable demographics to the national average receive little to no funding from state funds that should be shared equally and fairly.

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Where would the money come from?

How about the billions we have sent to Ukraine for starters.

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Arm the teachers who are competent to carry and hire Ex Military personnel to guard the school.

Bringing back public execution might work too.

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As a former soldier I would gladly do this is a job or given I have a flexible schedule volunteer at one of my children's schools.

You're probably not far off

Allow teachers/staff who are well-trained to carry firearms at school. Post signs that indicate that staff are armed and trained and will use whatever force necessary to protect the kids.

Gun laws will not help, IMO, because those set upon destruction and death will either 1) obtain guns illegally or 2) use another method.

Make it easier to treat those who are mentally ill. Sometimes this may be against their will.

Thoughts:

Bullet-proof glass at access points?
Windowless doors?


But a determined shooter simply needs to park themselves where they have a line of sight to the playground at recess.

Men,

I gotta call a spade a spade here. There's just no way a nationwide ban on assault weapons will work. Assault weapons will still be bought and sold ILLEGALLY. It's almost easier for a reclusive mentally ill person to purchase an assault rifle from a black market dealer than it is to go to Walmart. (Ask me how I know ). As we've already seen with abortions out-right bans don't work! The King James Bible tells us so. My personal belief is that if there were school shootings in Bethlehem, Jesus himself would be standing guard with an M4.

Blessings,

Jimmy

my wife is on the board of a private elementary/middle school in Houston. They have three Houston police at all times on campus. One who is staged at the front door of the middle school, one who is staged at the front door of the elementary school, and one who roams the entire campus. All day - every day.

We went from entirely not treating mental illness in this country to embracing it.

I am a staunch 2a advocate and will not compromise on law-abiding citizens to own a gun. It is hard to trust a government that violates that trust regularly.

However, all 2a supporters need to come up with a good way to keep these firearms out of the hands of people who have severe mental illnesses. I don't just mean typing in a forum. Our lawmakers in Congress need to have a law that they push every session they can lean on, regardless if the democrats agree or not.

Allowing teachers to be armed (Not forcing them to) is a step, but it does not address the real problem. As conservatives and 2a advocates, we cannot keep just "saying" what the problem is. We need bills that address keeping firearms out of people that are high risk, such as domestic abusers, criminals, !!! Mentally ill and/or disorder!!!.

Whenever I hear of a mass shooting, I keep reading quotes from their parents. "They should not have owned a firearm." however, they were allowed by law to own one. How do we balance 2a rights, safety, and keeping the government from having an extensive database of firearm owners? We will keep having this happen until we address the elephant in the room and make some hard choices.

I fear the cry will eventually be so loud from the other side that 2a will disappear. I don't want that.

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I'm tired of seeing kids who are my kids' age dead on the news. I'm tired of seeing dead teachers (both my mom and my wife are teachers.)

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More kids and adults will die today in a vehicle than died at the school. More kids and adults will die today at the hand of an abusive parent/partner that died at the school. More kids and adults will die today due to fentanyl coming over our "secure" border than died at the school.

If you're really tired of the death, then you're focusing on the wrong thing.

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Ok but doesn't seem the same. Vehicle safety is continually improving (more/better airbags, emergency braking for front collasion avoidance, etc.) Accidents will always happen but less in the future than in the past. Something is being done to improve the situation.

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It is the same, because safety at schools is constantly improving. What is not improving is how we treat the mentally ill in our society, because it could hurt someone's feelings. Now, we tell them their mental illness is OK and it's "who they are." Nope, you can't buy a beer until you're 21, but you want to cut off your dick or tits at 13? I can get you in Friday!

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Kids and adults have a choice on taking fentanyl (or not). If they die from that, there was at least a personal choice involved (usually).

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Wait wait wait wait...are you saying that loading up guns, driving to a school, and shooting a bunch of innocent people is not a personal choice? I guess when ol boy in Boston put a backpack with a bomb built from a pressure cooker on the sidewalk, that wasn't a choice he made. Nor was it a choice for the dude in Waukesha to plow through a crowd of people.

You don't get to pick and choose when to hold someone accountable for the choices they make.

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It's not just the death, it's the indiscriminate, random nature of school shootings + lack of any progress towards solving the problem that is difficult for me.

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That's because the solution is uncomfortable for our soft society. Someone's feelings are going to have to be hurt, and quite frankly, the younger generation doesn't have the mental capacity to handle it.

Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

Everyone who has ever said "we back the blue" is obligated to follow the law, no?

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I agree and have to believe that there are at the very least and handful of teachers/staff in every school that would be more than willing and volunteer to carry on campus. Those teachers (I would bet) would be more than willing to give up their own time outside of school to attend proper firearm training and active shooter response training. There is always the question of who pays for that, but I don't think it would take massive amounts of money.

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My wife is a teacher, and teachers have tons of already required training they have to do, and offering firearm training to those who would want it can be included in that. Teacher's normally go in a week before the kids and go the week after to take care of necessary training. There are also required trainings throughout the summer they have to take. Driving to Florida last summer for vacation and my wife spent 2 hours of the drive there on her phone looking at a webinar doing training for school.

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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

I'm sure this has been addressed in other posts but I didn't feel like reading through the entire things so here I go. This is coming from a TX teacher...These should be implemented immediately and are the easiest.


1. Allow those teachers who want to carry to carry. Period. And make it known by posting signs, proclaiming it, etc.
2. Armed police, or some type of officer on every campus.
3. Expel students who are behavior problems. Students who hate school and do nothing but cause problems shouldn't be on campuses'
4. Continue with current TX law on school safety (locked classrooms, doors, etc)


These are mainly deterrents which could quickly be implemented to at least make killers at least think twice (mainly the armed teachers aspect).

Biggest problem is the lack of fathers in families and structure in children's life's.


with all that said if a murderer wants to do just that. no law will stop them.

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1991sir said:

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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

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This such a tired trope.

Nobody has done that. Stop the nonsense.

I know, I know. You're a 2A advocate and hunt and have lots of guns, but.....

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I agree and have to believe that there are at the very least and handful of teachers/staff in every school that would be more than willing and volunteer to carry on campus. Those teachers (I would bet) would be more than willing to give up their own time outside of school to attend proper firearm training and active shooter response training. There is always the question of who pays for that, but I don't think it would take massive amounts of money.

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My wife is a teacher, and teachers have tons of already required training they have to do, and offering firearm training to those who would want it can be included in that. Teacher's normally go in a week before the kids and go the week after to take care of necessary training. There are also required trainings throughout the summer they have to take. Driving to Florida last summer for vacation and my wife spent 2 hours of the drive there on her phone looking at a webinar doing training for school.

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I think this is great. Instead of learning how to groom kids and indoctrinate WOKEISM, they should be training like the green berets.

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I'm sure this has been addressed in other posts but I didn't feel like reading through the entire things so here I go. This is coming from a TX teacher...These should be implemented immediately and are the easiest.


1. Allow those teachers who want to carry to carry. Period. And make it known by posting signs, proclaiming it, etc.
2. Armed police, or some type of officer on every campus.
3. Expel students who are behavior problems. Students who hate school and do nothing but cause problems shouldn't be on campuses'
4. Continue with current TX law on school safety (locked classrooms, doors, etc)


These are mainly deterrents which could quickly be implemented to at least make killers at least think twice (mainly the armed teachers aspect).

Biggest problem is the lack of fathers in families and structure in children's life's.

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I guess my only concern is who is going to pay for it. We all know police department budgets are at historical lows already. We can't let a single incident just let spending get out of control. That will ultimately flow down to the taxpayers. If my propert taxes increase again just so we can have armed security at every day care and Elementary over a single incident, I'm not voting republican ever again!

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aTm2004 said:

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I agree and have to believe that there are at the very least and handful of teachers/staff in every school that would be more than willing and volunteer to carry on campus. Those teachers (I would bet) would be more than willing to give up their own time outside of school to attend proper firearm training and active shooter response training. There is always the question of who pays for that, but I don't think it would take massive amounts of money.

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My wife is a teacher, and teachers have tons of already required training they have to do, and offering firearm training to those who would want it can be included in that. Teacher's normally go in a week before the kids and go the week after to take care of necessary training. There are also required trainings throughout the summer they have to take. Driving to Florida last summer for vacation and my wife spent 2 hours of the drive there on her phone looking at a webinar doing training for school.

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I think this is great. Instead of learning how to groom kids and indoctrinate WOKEISM, they should be training like the green berets.

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Better than training them to put books in schools that teach middle schoolers about blow jobs and taking a dick up the ass.

And if that comment gets deleted, it proves my point, because DeSantis did the same thing recently. He was giving a speech that CNN, MSNBC, etc were covering, and he began reading from a book in one of the school libraries that he's trying to get out, and due to FCC regulations, they had to cut away because what he was reading could not be aired.

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I'm sure this has been addressed in other posts but I didn't feel like reading through the entire things so here I go. This is coming from a TX teacher...These should be implemented immediately and are the easiest.


1. Allow those teachers who want to carry to carry. Period. And make it known by posting signs, proclaiming it, etc.
2. Armed police, or some type of officer on every campus.
3. Expel students who are behavior problems. Students who hate school and do nothing but cause problems shouldn't be on campuses'
4. Continue with current TX law on school safety (locked classrooms, doors, etc)


These are mainly deterrents which could quickly be implemented to at least make killers at least think twice (mainly the armed teachers aspect).

Biggest problem is the lack of fathers in families and structure in children's life's.

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I'm the poetic words of Clark W. Griswold… "Hellelujah! Holy ****!!!"

Police dept budgets have nothing to do with hiring officers for a school district. School districts can have their own officers. most school nowadays have resource officers on campus. It isn't that expensive to hire one more staff member per campus especially when we are talking safety. You think of it as hiring a new teacher. Hell I know the officers in my district make LESS than teachers. They are on hourly salaries which many enjoy because it allows them to work extra security type of jobs during the summer when school is closed.

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Some teachers training the same way as air marshals. There has to be an immediate response. to much damage can be done with a 10 to 15 minute response time from police. and that's a response time that is quick.

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I think OP was looking for "real, feasible" solutions. Suggesting training public school teachers like law enforcement or federal law enforcement agents is a non starter. For one there are physical requirements for being law enforcement that isn't in place for public school teachers.

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About 75% of law enforcement folks I have seen cannot meet physical requirements. Hard to do so when obese.

We got a new 4 post rookie troll today. LOL, is that you, manny? What was your username most recently?

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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

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This such a tired trope.

Nobody has done that. Stop the nonsense.

I know, I know. You're a 2A advocate and hunt and have lots of guns, but.....

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You are part of the problem. Do nothing, nothing to see here. Move along. We cannot keep doing this *****

I cannot be more clear in my stance. Come up with a solution that does not violate 2a (EG Just for you, this covers NOT banning "Assault" rifles, which is BS and will not do anything), keeps firearms in law-abiding citizens' hands, and does not create some kind of centralized government DB of firearm owners.

Now come up with a concrete solution that will keep firearms or prevent them from getting into the hands of like I posted before, criminals, domestic abusers, and mentally ill people.

If they are willing, I am 100% behind in allowing teachers to be armed (concealed carry). But that is not the complete solution. I have no idea what it is, but we need something.

Being a 2a advocate is not binary. You can be a staunch gun rights supporter and still see a problem with school shootings.

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StockHorseAg said:

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Arm the teachers who are competent to carry and hire Ex Military personnel to guard the school.

Bringing back public execution might work too.

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This also isn't feasible or realistic solution. Arm every school in America with ex military seems like a bad movie plot. Where would the money even come from. As it stands now schools with less favorable demographics to the national average receive little to no funding from state funds that should be shared equally and fairly.

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This solution is a layup.

Plenty of former E4s, E5s who could manage the job for $40k - $50k/yr.
Heck, even put them on the school teacher pay scale if you want.

Do you have any idea how much we're paying coaches? It would be really easy to find the money.

As far as public executions, I grew up in Saudi Arabia and can attest - public beheadings are very effective as a crime deterrent. Do a couple of those a year and you're good.

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Police dept budgets have nothing to do with hiring officers for a school district. School districts can have their own officers. most school nowadays have resource officers on campus. It isn't that expensive to hire one more staff member per campus especially when we are talking safety. You think of it as hiring a new teacher. Hell I know the officers in my district make LESS than teachers. They are on hourly salaries which many enjoy because it allows them to work extra security type of jobs during the summer when school is closed.

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Think again pal, every school in my district contracts with local PD to have an SRO on their campus. Honestly they should be making a teacher salary+police salary. They can impart so much wisdom on campus that may be worth it

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Better check your data. More kids are killed by auto accidents due to texting and cell phones per NTSB.

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What happened in 2020??? If you strip out suicides and gang activity that number will go down. But it's good to see auto accidents dropping.

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1991sir said:

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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

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This such a tired trope.

Nobody has done that. Stop the nonsense.

I know, I know. You're a 2A advocate and hunt and have lots of guns, but.....

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You are part of the problem. Do nothing, nothing to see here. Move along. We cannot keep doing this *****

I cannot be more clear in my stance. Come up with a solution that does not violate 2a (EG Just for you, this covers NOT banning "Assault" rifles, which is BS and will not do anything), keeps firearms in law-abiding citizens' hands, and does not create some kind of centralized government DB of firearm owners.

Now come up with a concrete solution that will keep firearms or prevent them from getting into the hands of like I posted before, criminals, domestic abusers, and mentally ill people.

If they are willing, I am 100% behind in allowing teachers to be armed (concealed carry). But that is not the complete solution. I have no idea what it is, but we need something.

Being a 2a advocate is not binary. You can be a staunch gun rights supporter and still see a problem with school shootings.

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there is no concrete solution to doing that. If someone wants to break the law, they will.

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96ags said:

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1991sir said:

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Let's just say they do ban the second amendment… do we think this stops? Are the bad guys going to turn all their guns in?

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That is not the point. We don't want this to happen.

We cannot just throw up our hands and say, "not our problem." Nor can we use this as logic. We need our lawmakers who treasure the 2a to develop concrete solutions.

I know democrats will fight this at every turn, but it allows us to have an answer (once we have one) to this problem. We can say, "this would not have happened if you allowed us to pass this bill."

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This such a tired trope.

Nobody has done that. Stop the nonsense.

I know, I know. You're a 2A advocate and hunt and have lots of guns, but.....

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You are part of the problem. Do nothing, nothing to see here. Move along. We cannot keep doing this *****

I cannot be more clear in my stance. Come up with a solution that does not violate 2a (EG Just for you, this covers NOT banning "Assault" rifles, which is BS and will not do anything), keeps firearms in law-abiding citizens' hands, and does not create some kind of centralized government DB of firearm owners.

Now come up with a concrete solution that will keep firearms or prevent them from getting into the hands of like I posted before, criminals, domestic abusers, and mentally ill people.

If they are willing, I am 100% behind in allowing teachers to be armed (concealed carry). But that is not the complete solution. I have no idea what it is, but we need something.

Being a 2a advocate is not binary. You can be a staunch gun rights supporter and still see a problem with school shootings.

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There have been a dozen solutions offered on this thread, some even from myself. Your inability to read is not my fault.

You just want to throw a childish temper tantrum, stomp your feet, and scream "do something" and then continue without doing a damn thing yourself. Stop looking for government to solve all of you problems.

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Police dept budgets have nothing to do with hiring officers for a school district. School districts can have their own officers. most school nowadays have resource officers on campus. It isn't that expensive to hire one more staff member per campus especially when we are talking safety. You think of it as hiring a new teacher. Hell I know the officers in my district make LESS than teachers. They are on hourly salaries which many enjoy because it allows them to work extra security type of jobs during the summer when school is closed.

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Think again pal, every school in my district contracts with local PD to have an SRO on their campus. Honestly they should be making a teacher salary+police salary. They can impart so much wisdom on campus that may be worth it

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they don't have to do that, pal. They CHOOSE to do that.

OP, simple answer:

We spend $135ish BaBaBaBillion on Ukraine. A fraction of that and every school in this great land could have a mini police station in every school.

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TheTruthsLastHope said:

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StockHorseAg said:

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Arm the teachers who are competent to carry and hire Ex Military personnel to guard the school.

Bringing back public execution might work too.

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This also isn't feasible or realistic solution. Arm every school in America with ex military seems like a bad movie plot. Where would the money even come from. As it stands now schools with less favorable demographics to the national average receive little to no funding from state funds that should be shared equally and fairly.

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This solution is a layup.

Plenty of former E4s, E5s who could manage the job for $40k - $50k/yr.
Heck, even put them on the school teacher pay scale if you want.

Do you have any idea how much we're paying coaches? It would be really easy to find the money.

As far as public executions, I grew up in Saudi Arabia and can attest - public beheadings are very effective as a crime deterrent. Do a couple of those a year and you're good.

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Resource Officers need to be high-paying job IMHO.

70k start (maybe more with background and experience), you are protecting our children. We need a high quality, highly trained candidate in the schools.

Don't skimp on salary/benefits when it comes to this.

Just my view on anything dealing with the protection of children.

It would cost 16 billion dollars to put 2 armed officers in every school in the United States.

How much did we just send to Ukraine?

If they ban and confiscate all guns, the thugs and the crazies will just stab you.

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The number of knife or sharp instrument offences recorded by the police in London rose to approximately 11,122 in 2021/22, compared with 10,150, which had the fewest number of knife crimes in a reporting year since 2015/16, when there were 9,752 offences.

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/