2012heisman said:

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Spice Tolerance Level Ranking in US based on how much they can tolerate ultra spicy food:

1. South Asian

2. East Asian

3. Hispanic/Latino

4. White and Black tied (these two groups have been in this country the longest and the staple American diet of a meat entree, starchy side, and vegetables is bland for the most part.....not generally use to stuff like Vindaloo, Chicken Karahi, Beef Nihari, Thai Food like Jjambong, Sambal, and the American version of Dan dan noodles eliminates the spicy sauce for sesame paste)

Anyone going to grade school and undergrad in Texas will tell you that our South and East Asian classmates could eat Habanero sauce without problem like it was bbq sauce. This is because their home cooking growing up was very spicy.

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What family did you grow up in? I'm pale as hell yet I eat spicy food all the time and like it more than virtually anyone I know. My limit is generally ghost peppers though, that and above I just taste nothing but pain and spice. It's not too fun to eat.

I don't find Indian food all that spicy nor Thai food. If you grew up in Texas and didn't eat spicy food then you did it wrong.

If you are the only person you know that eats spicy food and those that you know are as pale as you, then your post confirms their post.

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If you are the only person you know that eats spicy food and those that you know are as pale as you, then your post confirms their post.

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I'm not, most of the white families I know that were born and raised in Texas like spicy food. The transplants can't handle it of course but I've rarely met native Texans who didn't love it.

Let's think! Is Sunny D reeeaally a seasoning brine? Is it reeaally platinum? pic.twitter.com/wNuzVNSCEx

— Kiwi Bear (@WojteksGrandson) March 20, 2023

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American Hardwood said:

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The same people who say don't wash your meat cuz you can spread bacteria around the sink are also the same people who tell you you should wash and scrub your vegetables to get the crud off.

Apparently only meat crud achieves sink escape velocity somehow, but not veggie crud.

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You wash vegetables to wash of pesticides and herbicides, which are all major endocrine disrupters. That's a far bigger problem than bacteria on meat that will die from cooking.

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Forget it. Every chef on earth is wrong but black twitter has figured out the secret.

You people still can't see the point. I give up.

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Nanomachines son said:

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American Hardwood said:

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The same people who say don't wash your meat cuz you can spread bacteria around the sink are also the same people who tell you you should wash and scrub your vegetables to get the crud off.

Apparently only meat crud achieves sink escape velocity somehow, but not veggie crud.

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You wash vegetables to wash of pesticides and herbicides, which are all major endocrine disrupters. That's a far bigger problem than bacteria on meat that will die from cooking.

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Forget it. Every chef on earth is wrong but black twitter has figured out the secret.

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Indeed, Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

Jordan Peele's new movie "Unseasoned" will premiere December 25th 2024 pic.twitter.com/7s6cfEmO8Q

— Bad Tweet Man (@Bad_Tweet_Man) March 20, 2023

American Hardwood said:

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You people still can't see the point. I give up.

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I get it. It's a habit you learned from watching your mom cook. But what is your honest response to these…. Are they just wrong? There's a million other links out there as well.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/ss/slideshow-should-you-wash-this-food

We get it: Raw chicken is slimy when it comes out of the package, and you want to wash it off. But according to the USDA, it's safer to destroy bacteria when you cook it. A recent study looked at people who washed raw poultry for a meal. Sixty percent had bacteria in their sink afterward, and 26% had transferred bacteria to their salad lettuce.

https://www.marthastewart.com/1535395/should-you-rinse-raw-chicken-before-cooking

If you flick through old cookbooks, you'll find recipes that call for rinsing chicken as part of the prep process dating back to the 1960s. It was a step that home cooks felt kept their families safe from dangerous pathogenswhen in fact, it was spreading them. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) started telling consumers not to wash raw poultry in the '90s, but the myth persists to this day.

Also, if you rinse meat with unrefrigerated water you are actually promoting the growth of bacteria. Water above 41F just helps bring meat temperatures into the danger zone.

"You cook them like you like"
- Stale Cracker

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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American Hardwood said:

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You people still can't see the point. I give up.

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I get it. It's a habit you learned from watching your mom cook. But what is your honest response to these…. Are they just wrong? There's a million other links out there as well.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/ss/slideshow-should-you-wash-this-food

We get it: Raw chicken is slimy when it comes out of the package, and you want to wash it off. But according to the USDA, it's safer to destroy bacteria when you cook it. A recent study looked at people who washed raw poultry for a meal. Sixty percent had bacteria in their sink afterward, and 26% had transferred bacteria to their salad lettuce.

https://www.marthastewart.com/1535395/should-you-rinse-raw-chicken-before-cooking

If you flick through old cookbooks, you'll find recipes that call for rinsing chicken as part of the prep process dating back to the 1960s. It was a step that home cooks felt kept their families safe from dangerous pathogenswhen in fact, it was spreading them. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) started telling consumers not to wash raw poultry in the '90s, but the myth persists to this day.

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No, you still don't get it. My commentary was about the notion that rinsing your meat gets contaminants spread around, yet rinsing vegetables somehow doesn't. It isn't about what the contaminant is. It is a simple thing and an easy practice to just be careful how you handle raw meat or any raw food and cleaning the surfaces you use before using it again.

It has nothing to do with how my parents did anything. I didn't learn to cook from them. I don't need the nanny state telling me how to run my kitchen. But you go ahead. I've never poisoned anyone in my life with my techniques because I use common sense and a level of care about my cooking environment.

ETA: The FDA acknowledges that there are unavoidable contaminants on processed foods. Certain levels of defect are considered acceptable. Amongst them are:

Copepods

Damage

Decomposition

Decomposition Byproducts

Infestation/Insect Fragments

Mammalian Excreta

Mold

Rot

Rodent Hairs

So pardon me for maybe thinking a little rinse might be beneficial.

https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredients-additives-gras-packaging-guidance-documents-regulatory-information/food-defect-levels-handbook

so imagine a scenario in which you can’t read and don’t know a duck from a chicken. Why WOULDN’T you assume this was a marinade? pic.twitter.com/jXTxz7GWad

— 🫧Osiris🫧 (@beigepilled) March 20, 2023

The Debt said:

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It's wise to rinse off your meat and your produce before cooking or consuming.

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Produce, yes. Meat, no.

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You don't rinse your meat? Have you ever been to a poultry plant? Feathers and feces flying everywhere., you're gonna want to rinse that.

Have you ever had fresh eggs? Bits of the chickens fluids are on the shell. Industrial eggs do get rinsed prior to packaging. But cmon...know that those who handled your meats probably didn't rinse it. Hell if a steak falls on the ground, you think they toss it in the bin?

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https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-preparation/food-safety-basics/washing-food-does-it-promote-food

Do. Not. Wash. Your. Meat.

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Wow, you are waaaayyy to worked up over this. I'll keep rinsing my chicken and rinsing off the solutions off vac-packed meat all I want. You act as if there is if it is some Herculean task to clean and disinfect the countertops which i do immediately after prepping meat and frequently otherwise. I've never prepped a meal that resulted in food poisoning. It ain't that hard so lighten up Francis.

ETA: Also, the point is that washing meat somehow spreads undesirable material to the countertops, but washing vegetables doesn't. That's the inconsistency that makes this argument foolish. Doesn't matter what the undesirable material is.

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You can be wrong if you wish. That's fine. Just know that you are wrong.

(Rinsing vegetables (to get the pesticides off) is absolutely not the same thing...come the eff on.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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American Hardwood said:

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The same people who say don't wash your meat cuz you can spread bacteria around the sink are also the same people who tell you you should wash and scrub your vegetables to get the crud off.

Apparently only meat crud achieves sink escape velocity somehow, but not veggie crud.

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I will sometimes rinse raw fruits and vegetables for the sole purpose of cleaning actual, physical, dirt off. Only because I don't want to eat dirt. Ain't nobody scrubbing vegetables.

But in no way is that even remotely the same thing as trying to rinse salmonella out of a chicken breast. What purpose would that even serve? It's not like salmonella only exists on the outside of the chicken breast.

There is not one governmental health agency that recommends rinsing meat; in fact, they say the exact opposite. But more importantly than that. Find me one professional chef, just one, that rinses meat. Find me one
cooking show in the history of the cooking channel or food network that has instructed anyone, ever, to rinse meat.

You won't. Because it's a terrible idea.

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I've been cooking since I was a teen. I do most of the cooking for my family. I cook regularly for my customers. Grilling in both my family and my wife's is competitive contact sport.

I have never, ever, once seen anyone wash or rinse meat. Never. Rinse fruits and vegetables? Sure. But never meat. Well, I take that back. We rinse fish filets before prepping. But that's it.

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The hate volcano is going to erupt soon. I don't know if society can take much more of this riduculousness.

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And this is the goal of the top of the pyramid of people pushing this insanity. They know its nuts. Their goal IS the erupting volcano

2012heisman said:

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Spice Tolerance Level Ranking in US based on how much they can tolerate ultra spicy food:

1. South Asian

2. East Asian

3. Hispanic/Latino

4. White and Black tied (these two groups have been in this country the longest and the staple American diet of a meat entree, starchy side, and vegetables is bland for the most part.....not generally use to stuff like Vindaloo, Chicken Karahi, Beef Nihari, Thai Food like Jjambong, Sambal, and the American version of Dan dan noodles eliminates the spicy sauce for sesame paste)

Anyone going to grade school and undergrad in Texas will tell you that our South and East Asian classmates could eat Habanero sauce without problem like it was bbq sauce. This is because their home cooking growing up was very spicy.

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Heat =/= seasoning though

Heat is heat, and too much heat doesn't do anything except punish the balloon knot the next day. Spice and seasoning is where it's at, which includes heat when appropriate.

Which is where tex-mex and creole/cajun comes into play and are the two best genres of food (yes, I know creole and cajun are different, but for the purposes of this discussion they have enough similarities that it doesn't matter, so the food dorks can cry somewhere else), with Texas BBQ rounding out the only food pyramid that really matters.

And rinsing meat is commie pinko nonsense. Don't do it, it's dumb and doesn't do anything beneficial. If you are processing game, that's a different story, but it's done to remove blood, fur/feathers, etc. during the gutting and skinning process and then you let the meat age after. Same as they do at a processing facility.

You rinse your vegetables off because they are almost universally grown in the ground and even though the growers and processors wash them before sending to the stores, they are dealing with huge volumes of material and their process doesn't get everything off, including:

1. Dirt. Actual dirt.
2. Residuals from the industrial/processor washing process and maybe some residual pesticides if you do good enough job washing
3. Most importantly - Juan and Pablo and Rita pick these things in huge fields in many areas, and those fields are devoid of banos. So when it's time to drop a deuce or drain the chile pequin, they squat where they are and the processing process doesn't ensure a good clean veggie. Also, you don't know who all has finger fooked that veggie between the time Juan and Pablo tossed it into a crate and the time it ended up in your kitchen ready to be cooked. Some little snot nosed booger producing machine that wanders around the store bored when mom shops probably handled that orange or potato like a porn star does her counterparts junk after touching everything known to man first, and based on what we have seen on social media with some of the lesser quality of our society deciding to twerk on the cucumbers and what not - you need to wash errthang down so you don't get the crabs and chlamydia from Shonesquiehe making a tik tok in her leopard print thong.

So - washing meat is dumb and shouldn't be done. Washing veggies has an actual definable and meaningful purpose and makes sense. It isn't hard.

I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

All right. I've changed my mind on this topic.

I'm now convinced this is just trolling on par with saying you don't believe in the moon landing.

Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I scrub my grapes every morning.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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All right. I've changed my mind on this topic.

I'm now convinced this is just trolling on par with saying you don't believe in the moon landing.

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You do you amigo, no trolling here though.

Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I don't scrub fruit that has skin that I eat, I rub them all though, just like the guidance says.

Your mom does that.

Not you man.

Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I don't scrub fruit that has skin that I eat, I rub them all though, just like the guidance says.

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What about oranges?

Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I don't scrub fruit that has skin that I eat, I rub them all though, just like the guidance says.

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What about oranges?

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What is so hard about this to grasp? I'm genuinely curious.

Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I don't scrub fruit that has skin that I eat, I rub them all though, just like the guidance says.

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What about oranges?

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In addition to pesticides and poo germs that might have been missed in processing, they're coated with various waxes, biocides, and inhibitors after processing to prolong shelf life. Supposed to be good grade of course, but then so was Teflon.

Wash your **** imo

schmellba99 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I don't scrub fruit that has skin that I eat, I rub them all though, just like the guidance says.

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What about oranges?

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What is so hard about this to grasp? I'm genuinely curious.

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Last question in my earlier post.

What pesticides?

Burdizzo said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I don't scrub fruit that has skin that I eat, I rub them all though, just like the guidance says.

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What about oranges?

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What is so hard about this to grasp? I'm genuinely curious.

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Last question in my earlier post.

What pesticides?

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Incoming Google search, and 5 minutes of reading an old msnbc on emerging contaminates to confirm he is an expert!

Relevant:

Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I don't scrub fruit that has skin that I eat, I rub them all though, just like the guidance says.

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What about oranges?

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I wash them off, but don't scrub them, same with bananas.

I prefer not to eat or touch things that potentially affect the endocrine system.

Burdizzo said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Burdizzo said:

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I am curious about this idea of washing pesticides off of fruits and vegetables?

What pesticides are alleged to still be on them after they have already broken down to safe levels or have been washed at the processor?

You want to wash dirt off potatoes? That makes sense.

You want to wash the E. Coli off from the farm worker that didn't wash his hands after using the porta potty? That makes sense.

What pesticides are still on our fruits and veggies at the supermarket?

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The washing you do at home is going to be a lot more direct than any washing from a factory. They don't generally scrub vegetables in industrial washing systems, it's just water.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2152&context=extension_curall

Most guidance involves scrubbing or rubbing for fruits and vegetables to remove any residual soil, pesticides, and microorganisms.

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Do you scrub every grape?

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I don't scrub fruit that has skin that I eat, I rub them all though, just like the guidance says.

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What about oranges?

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What is so hard about this to grasp? I'm genuinely curious.

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Last question in my earlier post.

What pesticides?

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Are you ****ing serious?

Glyphosate (aka round up) for one of the worst, but all of them are major endocrine disrupters. I understand why we use them but even in small amounts these cause issues. You should never drink tap water that has not been filtered for this reason as well.