cityagboy said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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jrdaustin said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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A) that's what Texas does to get big companies to move here
B) that's not why he made the change

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Texas has carved out entire areas in the state that operate autonomously w/o any state oversight?

News to me!

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Given competitive advantages….

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And Disney had theres for like 50yrs. See no problem with them losing that special status to level the field. Maybe if they had STFU and stayed in their lane it would've continued relatively unnoticed and they'd still have it. But, actions have consequences and Disney gets to now learn that first hand.

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I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem with it if it was being done for reasons other than feelings getting hurt. Desantis is soft.

I also am not convinced this will not be a burden to Florida taxpayers.

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Feelings getting hurt? Not about feelings. Disney took a public position on legislation that had nothing to do with Disney at all; and, said position was diametrically opposed to everything Walt Disney stood for and created with Disney World - the innocence of children.

Oh, and by the way, totally misrepresented the purpose and effect of the legislation.

They bit the hand that fed them. And soft? Soft is taking the BS on the chin and trying to play to the woke crowd. Desantis made the correct play. 100%.

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didn't know punishment for freedom of speech is cool

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Lol. Freedom of speech doesn't equate to freedom from consequences. You libs love to spout that **** when the shoe is on the other foot.

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True, From individual citizens and companies. Not true from the government….

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Great. I fail to see where punishment is the same as making Disney the same as all other entities in Florida.

C@LAg said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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didn't know punishment for freedom of speech is cool

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What punishment was levied? Was anyone arrested, fined, fired, etc. for their speech?

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right….

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and there it is.

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The punishment is clear as day. It wouldn't be news otherwise….

Jack Squat 83 said:

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Man I can't keep track.

Do the commie "govern-me-harder-daddy" Democrats want more government or not?? Ron finally gives Disney more gov't and they're running around like their hair's on fire.

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This isn't the flex you think it is, it makes GOP look like hypocrites on the platforms that keep them in office (hint: not the social platforms that are unpopular with their own voters).

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cityagboy said:

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C@LAg said:

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still not free of consequences of speech.

hth.

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True, From individual citizens and companies. Not true from the government….

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government punishes speech and actions all the time. From CA mandating no official travel to Texas or Florida, to the feds going after "election deniers".

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CA is restricting against laws and regulations they think are unconstitutional not just speech, right or wrong. Feds going after election deniers? Maybe, send me some articles to read on specific people targeted just for words.

Disney was punished for words. Not for anything else

TXAGFAN said:

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Jack Squat 83 said:

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Man I can't keep track.

Do the commie "govern-me-harder-daddy" Democrats want more government or not?? Ron finally gives Disney more gov't and they're running around like their hair's on fire.

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This isn't the flex you think it is, it makes GOP look like hypocrites on the platforms that keep them in office (hint: not the social platforms that are unpopular with their own voters).

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Oh no. We are hypocrites just like, checks notes, every single democrat in recent history.

Yea Ron really struggled in his landslide victory in the big diverse state that is Florida right? Seems a lot of Dems pulled the lever for him too, or maybe that was fake news.

Lol, keep trying.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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jrdaustin said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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A) that's what Texas does to get big companies to move here
B) that's not why he made the change

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Texas has carved out entire areas in the state that operate autonomously w/o any state oversight?

News to me!

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Given competitive advantages….

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And Disney had theres for like 50yrs. See no problem with them losing that special status to level the field. Maybe if they had STFU and stayed in their lane it would've continued relatively unnoticed and they'd still have it. But, actions have consequences and Disney gets to now learn that first hand.

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I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem with it if it was being done for reasons other than feelings getting hurt. Desantis is soft.

I also am not convinced this will not be a burden to Florida taxpayers.

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Feelings getting hurt? Not about feelings. Disney took a public position on legislation that had nothing to do with Disney at all; and, said position was diametrically opposed to everything Walt Disney stood for and created with Disney World - the innocence of children.

Oh, and by the way, totally misrepresented the purpose and effect of the legislation.

They bit the hand that fed them. And soft? Soft is taking the BS on the chin and trying to play to the woke crowd. Desantis made the correct play. 100%.

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didn't know punishment for freedom of speech is cool

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Lol. Freedom of speech doesn't equate to freedom from consequences. You libs love to spout that **** when the shoe is on the other foot.

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True, From individual citizens and companies. Not true from the government….

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Great. I fail to see where punishment is the same as making Disney the same as all other entities in Florida.

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What desantis did today was cause words hurt his feelings…. No form of mental gymnastics could deny that

TXAGFAN said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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Its good for business and they literally make the world go round in that part of Florida, no other Florida business can say the same. Better business means more money, more jobs, etc.

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I agree with this statement - to a point. Disney enjoyed preferential treatment and would have continued to do so had they stayed in their lane and continued to be who they are for everyone.

They didn't. They changed their mission to play to a very limited and distinct clientele, and did so in a way that not only was misrepresentative and unfactual, but actually was diametrically opposite to what Disney is supposed to stand for - innocence of everyone, especially children.

They overstepped, and lost their preferential treatment.

cityagboy said:

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C@LAg said:

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cityagboy said:

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C@LAg said:

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still not free of consequences of speech.

hth.

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True, From individual citizens and companies. Not true from the government….

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government punishes speech and actions all the time. From CA mandating no official travel to Texas or Florida, to the feds going after "election deniers".

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CA is restricting against laws and regulations they think are unconstitutional not just speech, right or wrong. Feds going after election deniers? Maybe, send me some articles to read on specific people targeted just for words.

Disney was punished for words. Not for anything else

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AB 2098 is a direct assault on freedom of speech by California. Threatening to take away medical licenses for not following the official narrative of the Covidians is far far fara far worse than taking away a special status.

Disney is fighting this because it created a powerful entity that gave them protections and rights that other businesses couldn't get. The ability to issue $1 billion in tax-free bonds is enormous. They also oversee their own environmental and building codes.

The new board has the ability to tax property owners which is essentially Disney. If they decide to accelerate bond repayment or increase taxes for services, there really isn't anything Disney can do. It is a mess for Disney so they will block this in court. They will use the fact that they must not have outstanding debt to be taken over. If they win, the state will turn around and block their ability to issue new debt which starts a clock on them. I don't think they will win because it was clear in the law that they are transferring the debt to the new entity.

Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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C@LAg said:

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cityagboy said:

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C@LAg said:

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still not free of consequences of speech.

hth.

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True, From individual citizens and companies. Not true from the government….

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government punishes speech and actions all the time. From CA mandating no official travel to Texas or Florida, to the feds going after "election deniers".

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CA is restricting against laws and regulations they think are unconstitutional not just speech, right or wrong. Feds going after election deniers? Maybe, send me some articles to read on specific people targeted just for words.

Disney was punished for words. Not for anything else

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AB 2098 is a direct assault on freedom of speech by California. Threatening to take away medical licenses for not following the official narrative of the Covidians is far far fara far worse than taking away a special status.

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That law is fine. Now, application of that law could be a problem. I agree with that.

cityagboy said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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jrdaustin said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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A) that's what Texas does to get big companies to move here
B) that's not why he made the change

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Texas has carved out entire areas in the state that operate autonomously w/o any state oversight?

News to me!

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Given competitive advantages….

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And Disney had theres for like 50yrs. See no problem with them losing that special status to level the field. Maybe if they had STFU and stayed in their lane it would've continued relatively unnoticed and they'd still have it. But, actions have consequences and Disney gets to now learn that first hand.

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I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem with it if it was being done for reasons other than feelings getting hurt. Desantis is soft.

I also am not convinced this will not be a burden to Florida taxpayers.

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Feelings getting hurt? Not about feelings. Disney took a public position on legislation that had nothing to do with Disney at all; and, said position was diametrically opposed to everything Walt Disney stood for and created with Disney World - the innocence of children.

Oh, and by the way, totally misrepresented the purpose and effect of the legislation.

They bit the hand that fed them. And soft? Soft is taking the BS on the chin and trying to play to the woke crowd. Desantis made the correct play. 100%.

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didn't know punishment for freedom of speech is cool

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Lol. Freedom of speech doesn't equate to freedom from consequences. You libs love to spout that **** when the shoe is on the other foot.

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True, From individual citizens and companies. Not true from the government….

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Great. I fail to see where punishment is the same as making Disney the same as all other entities in Florida.

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What desantis did today was cause words hurt his feelings…. No form of mental gymnastics could deny that

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Why don't you say this about 30 more times. And talk more about how WEAK he his.

Maybe if you say it enough, it will come true.



Then again, maybe not.

C@LAg said:

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so much concern about the appearance of GOP hypocrisy, yet almost total silence on thread after thread of Democrat hypocrisy.

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jrdaustin said:

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cityagboy said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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jrdaustin said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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A) that's what Texas does to get big companies to move here
B) that's not why he made the change

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Texas has carved out entire areas in the state that operate autonomously w/o any state oversight?

News to me!

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Given competitive advantages….

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And Disney had theres for like 50yrs. See no problem with them losing that special status to level the field. Maybe if they had STFU and stayed in their lane it would've continued relatively unnoticed and they'd still have it. But, actions have consequences and Disney gets to now learn that first hand.

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I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem with it if it was being done for reasons other than feelings getting hurt. Desantis is soft.

I also am not convinced this will not be a burden to Florida taxpayers.

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Feelings getting hurt? Not about feelings. Disney took a public position on legislation that had nothing to do with Disney at all; and, said position was diametrically opposed to everything Walt Disney stood for and created with Disney World - the innocence of children.

Oh, and by the way, totally misrepresented the purpose and effect of the legislation.

They bit the hand that fed them. And soft? Soft is taking the BS on the chin and trying to play to the woke crowd. Desantis made the correct play. 100%.

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didn't know punishment for freedom of speech is cool

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Lol. Freedom of speech doesn't equate to freedom from consequences. You libs love to spout that **** when the shoe is on the other foot.

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True, From individual citizens and companies. Not true from the government….

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Great. I fail to see where punishment is the same as making Disney the same as all other entities in Florida.

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What desantis did today was cause words hurt his feelings…. No form of mental gymnastics could deny that

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Why don't you say this about 30 more times. And talk more about how WEAK he his.

Maybe if you say it enough, it will come true.



Then again, maybe not.

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Isn't that how politics work these days.

Joking aside I responded the same to similar questions


…. I'll check in with this later. Gonna cook dinner and be with the family for a little

cityagboy said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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cityagboy said:

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jrdaustin said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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A) that's what Texas does to get big companies to move here
B) that's not why he made the change

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Texas has carved out entire areas in the state that operate autonomously w/o any state oversight?

News to me!

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Given competitive advantages….

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And Disney had theres for like 50yrs. See no problem with them losing that special status to level the field. Maybe if they had STFU and stayed in their lane it would've continued relatively unnoticed and they'd still have it. But, actions have consequences and Disney gets to now learn that first hand.

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I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem with it if it was being done for reasons other than feelings getting hurt. Desantis is soft.

I also am not convinced this will not be a burden to Florida taxpayers.

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Feelings getting hurt? Not about feelings. Disney took a public position on legislation that had nothing to do with Disney at all; and, said position was diametrically opposed to everything Walt Disney stood for and created with Disney World - the innocence of children.

Oh, and by the way, totally misrepresented the purpose and effect of the legislation.

They bit the hand that fed them. And soft? Soft is taking the BS on the chin and trying to play to the woke crowd. Desantis made the correct play. 100%.

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didn't know punishment for freedom of speech is cool

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Lol. Freedom of speech doesn't equate to freedom from consequences. You libs love to spout that **** when the shoe is on the other foot.

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True, From individual citizens and companies. Not true from the government….

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Great. I fail to see where punishment is the same as making Disney the same as all other entities in Florida.

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What desantis did today was cause words hurt his feelings…. No form of mental gymnastics could deny that

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That's fine. I hope he gets his feelings hurt ten thousand times to absolutely wage war on and destroy the entire democrat power dynamic.

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He is just pushing big government

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How is taking away special privileges other businesses don't have "big government"?

Disney was lucky to have it as good as they did.

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He is just pushing big government

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That's a lie.

That'll teach Disney for pushing for ass hole sex talks for kids. Idiots.

The governor changed a taxing district where he gets to appoint the members who will determine what the tax is in that district. This will not only effect the Disney corporation, but also the people that live in the district. They will have no say on who is on the board. I can see a legal suit coming because they will have no representation on a taxing board.

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The governor changed a taxing district where he gets to appoint the members who will determine what the tax is in that district. This will not only effect the Disney corporation, but also the people that live in the district. They will have no say on who is on the board. I can see a legal suit coming because they will have no representation on a taxing board.

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Now talk to me about how you feel about the CFPB.

Disney decided to play politics, and made themselves a political target for their special treatment in exchange.

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The state of Florida gave Disney a huge operational and competitive advantage back in the 1960s, which benefited the company greatly.

Given their position as a "favored entity," getting publicly involved in legislation that had no direct impact on the company was just stupid.

I bet the Universal and SeaWorld execs are having a big laugh.

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Also benefitted the state{taxpayers} Same reason we let Mobil or Exxon to pay less property taxes(percentage wise than your average citizen }

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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A) that's what Texas does to get big companies to move here
B) that's not why he made the change

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A) give me an example where texas has given one company special tax status over a direct in state competitor.
B) correcting an injustice even if the motivation is not altruistic is still the correct thing to do.

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A) you know I meant give special considerations and advantages not specifically exactly this
B) I'm not convinced this is best for Disney employees or Florida tax payers despite the narrative pushed. Also doing things for the wrong reasons and especially just cause your feelings were hurt is a bad precedent. It can lead to poor choices

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What is best for Disney employees is irrelevant. How their employees are treated and managed is up to Disney, not the state government.

You can bet the county governments or whatever taxing districts that will now be calling the shots are going to make sure Disney continues to fully pay its way. If costs go up, Disney will just have to either eat the costs or pass it along to its customers.

Disney opened Pandora's Box when they inserted themselves into the conversation regarding what was being taught to young children in Florida schools. If they don't want to be negatively impacted by government policy, then be a good corporate citizen and stay out of politics that have nothing to do with your business. If you want to talk about poor choices, Disney should be at the front of the line.

They're losing their special status because MCU Phase 4 has been such a bomb. Disney deserves to be punished for all the time they've wasted in people's lives.

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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Bingo.. why give those fruit cakes an advantage when they already have one with their size and market share .. screw the gay mouse

Nobody wins. Disney makes a ton of enemies with their politics. Gov Ron D looks like he is a bit of a government overreach guy. Taxpayers have to take over the bill. Supporters of the Gov, who has/had a good chance to win, will be watching if Gov is getting too close to the OBVIOUSNESS line. Disney will lose tons of revenue with folks who are quietly protesting woke culture. Leaders for all both legal and PR teams should he kicked in nuts.

cityagboy said:

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jrdaustin said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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A) that's what Texas does to get big companies to move here
B) that's not why he made the change

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Texas has carved out entire areas in the state that operate autonomously w/o any state oversight?

News to me!

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Given competitive advantages….

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And Disney had theres for like 50yrs. See no problem with them losing that special status to level the field. Maybe if they had STFU and stayed in their lane it would've continued relatively unnoticed and they'd still have it. But, actions have consequences and Disney gets to now learn that first hand.

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I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem with it if it was being done for reasons other than feelings getting hurt. Desantis is soft.

I also am not convinced this will not be a burden to Florida taxpayers.

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Feelings getting hurt? Not about feelings. Disney took a public position on legislation that had nothing to do with Disney at all; and, said position was diametrically opposed to everything Walt Disney stood for and created with Disney World - the innocence of children.

Oh, and by the way, totally misrepresented the purpose and effect of the legislation.

They bit the hand that fed them. And soft? Soft is taking the BS on the chin and trying to play to the woke crowd. Desantis made the correct play. 100%.

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didn't know punishment for freedom of speech is cool

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You don't understand freedom of speech. HTH.

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TXAGFAN said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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Its good for business and they literally make the world go round in that part of Florida, no other Florida business can say the same. Better business means more money, more jobs, etc.

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I agree with this statement - to a point. Disney enjoyed preferential treatment and would have continued to do so had they stayed in their lane and continued to be who they are for everyone.

They didn't. They changed their mission to play to a very limited and distinct clientele, and did so in a way that not only was misrepresentative and unfactual, but actually was diametrically opposite to what Disney is supposed to stand for - innocence of everyone, especially children.

They overstepped, and lost their preferential treatment.

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Right except the govt cancelled them, not the market. That's a problem. If GOP voters felt so strongly (they don't) they should have shown it with their spending, not with Ron and the social conservatives of Florida running this through.

Btw, since someone pointed at Desantis decisive win. Nobody said he didn't win, the state overall has done very well. I just continue to stand by these social platforms don't grow your party the way you think they are.

The right pigs are squealing.

Disney not only came out against the legislation (pssst, nowhere does the legislation say "you can't say gay", it simply says teachers can't tell my elementary aged child about sexual preferences, gender identities, and sexual info way above their ability to comprehend), Disney said they were going to actively fight it. So AS A FLORIDA RESIDENT, I for one am glad Desantis showed them that had consequences.

Disney wanted to have their cake and eat it, too. They wanted to self-govern as if they were a government plus tell the rest of the state how to govern. Desantis simply reminded them they aren't a government unto themselves.

Oh, and Disney isn't going anywhere. Do you honestly think they're going to move out of FL? Or maybe tourists won't come now because of mean 'ol Desantis? Lol. Disney has been running off tourists for quite a while now on their own with their price hikes on top of the overt politization of what's supposed to be a stress-free getaway. What Desantis did took balls and won't have any effect on the Orlando tourism. Biden's economy is taking care of that well enough.

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Right except the govt cancelled them, not the market. That's a problem.

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The govt was the one that gave them special treatment in the first place...not the market. They didn't deserve it to begin with...from a small govt perspective.

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I just continue to stand by these social platforms don't grow your party the way you think they are.

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In the same token, the virtue signaling and preaching from corporations like Disney don't grow your party the way you think they are either.

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jrdaustin said:

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It was the right move. Why should Disney have competitive advantages in FL over other amusement parks?

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Its good for business and they literally make the world go round in that part of Florida, no other Florida business can say the same. Better business means more money, more jobs, etc.

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I agree with this statement - to a point. Disney enjoyed preferential treatment and would have continued to do so had they stayed in their lane and continued to be who they are for everyone.

They didn't. They changed their mission to play to a very limited and distinct clientele, and did so in a way that not only was misrepresentative and unfactual, but actually was diametrically opposite to what Disney is supposed to stand for - innocence of everyone, especially children.

They overstepped, and lost their preferential treatment.

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Right except the govt cancelled them, not the market. That's a problem. If GOP voters felt so strongly (they don't) they should have shown it with their spending, not with Ron and the social conservatives of Florida running this through.

Btw, since someone pointed at Desantis decisive win. Nobody said he didn't win, the state overall has done very well. I just continue to stand by these social platforms don't grow your party the way you think they are.

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So are you just as indignant when tax provisions are changed to eliminate loopholes for corporations? Or do you want to just keep up with the principles schtick because you're upset that a governor finally has the spine to stand up against your single issue?

Desantis has every authority to do what he's doing.

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The right pigs are squealing.

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Your posts are always so insightful. I just find it funny when the pro business right tries to cancel the biggest business in their state. Call me crazy, it's textbook hypocrisy.

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Right except the govt cancelled them, not the market. That's a problem.

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The govt was the one that gave them special treatment in the first place...not the market. They didn't deserve it to begin with...from a small govt perspective.

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I just continue to stand by these social platforms don't grow your party the way you think they are.

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In the same token, the virtue signaling and preaching from corporations like Disney don't grow your party the way you think they are either.

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I don't think Disney is political, you must. Of course the previous powers were granted by govt, who said they weren't?