That's pretty sad, too, considering who McCain showed himself to be right there at the end.

The fact that he didn't like Trump was not the problem. The fact that he turned his back on the republican party what's the problem. Just like Mitt. And even Pence and Ryan. Just eaten up with hatred for a non-politician, who was the best president we've had since Reagan.

Their irrational hatred for a man who did what they couldn't do and did it 1000 times better than they ever would have just turned them into absolute traitors and pathetic caricatures of themselves.

Although, I thought McCain had started turning way before Trump. Trump just put him into orbit.

I mean his wife and Meghan got so upset about it and then his memory they voted for Biden.

Unpopular take but I am actually happy people like her, Hochul, Whitmer, Veepthroat, Pelosi etc. are the face of "Democrat Party" women.

They are disgusting women/people who will and are setting back their party, over time, as I believe GCF ultimately did.

GOP is insane too

Oh bless your heart.

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Unpopular take but I am actually happy people like her, Hochul, Whitmer, Veepthroat, Pelosi etc. are the face of "Democrat Party" women.

They are disgusting women/people who will and are setting back their party, over time, as I believe GCF ultimately did.

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But people who did not vote for them are also suffering, so having them in office like that really isn't a good thing. Because the Democrats don't care and the media promotes them. They don't care if America burns.

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TexAgs91 said:

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Yes, dems are dumb. And yet somehow they're winning every battle.

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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Likable isn't better. So you'd rather have someone who's more likable than competent?

Explains your irrational hatred of Trump.

I'd rather have an ass in there, who had my best interest at heart, than an utter imbecile like this woman, Biden, Kamala, and pretty much every Democrat in office.

Holy hell, no wonder the Democratic Party is insane.

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I am not an arizona voter, are you? Dismiss it because you lost 2020 election over it, but candidates need to be likable to win.

Irrational hatred of trump? Not sure where you get that. Pretty indifferent about him, especially now that he's been out of office for two years and if he runs in 2024 will lose election for GOP.

GOP is insane too, look at the issues getting play and their most vocal leaders outside of Desantis. Are those the issues and people who win elections? Not in my opinion.

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The democrat party is the party of Omar, Talib, Schiff, Nadler, Swalwell, Johnson, Pelosi, SJL, AOC, etc. (the list literally goes on and on) but not one criticism from you. This is why nobody can take you seriously.

now that he's been out of office for two years

And yet president poopy pants, Kamala, dummy Pete, Hillary, and every major voice in the Democratic Party is still blaming him for everything going wrong right now. Even the media.

Train derailment, Trump's fault, inflation, Trump's fault, gas prices, Trump's fault. Nope none of it was his fault. The **** show that Biden has turned the country into is completely the Democrats fault.

Pretty bizarre remark for a party who can't let go of irrational obsession with Trump.

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Unpopular take but I am actually happy people like her, Hochul, Whitmer, Veepthroat, Pelosi etc. are the face of "Democrat Party" women.

They are disgusting women/people who will and are setting back their party, over time, as I believe GCF ultimately did.

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But people who did not vote for them are also suffering, so having them in office like that really isn't a good thing. Because the Democrats don't care and the media promotes them. They don't care if America burns.

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If HRC weren't so massively unpopular/hated we'd have never had POTUS Trump. It's true they cause real damage when in office but these folks (and similar, AOC/Pocahontas/Tlaib/Omar etc) also are a firewall against more Dems getting elected elsewhere. They also help drive older voters away from voting/living in Dem cesspools.

Again, just putting up some pragmatic positives. Democracy isn't always pretty, for sure.

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now that he's been out of office for two years

And yet president poopy pants, Kamala, dummy Pete, Hillary, and every major voice in the Democratic Party is still blaming him for everything going wrong right now. Even the media.

Train derailment, Trump's fault, inflation, Trump's fault, gas prices, Trump's fault. Nope none of it was his fault. The **** show that Biden has turned the country into is completely the Democrats fault.

Pretty bizarre remark for a party who can't let go of irrational obsession with Trump.

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You said MY irrational hate. Choose your words more carefully.

Quit whining about lost elections, it's sad.

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Yes, dems are dumb. And yet somehow they're winning every battle.

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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Likable isn't better. So you'd rather have someone who's more likable than competent?

Explains your irrational hatred of Trump.

I'd rather have an ass in there, who had my best interest at heart, than an utter imbecile like this woman, Biden, Kamala, and pretty much every Democrat in office.

Holy hell, no wonder the Democratic Party is insane.

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I am not an arizona voter, are you? Dismiss it because you lost 2020 election over it, but candidates need to be likable to win.

Irrational hatred of trump? Not sure where you get that. Pretty indifferent about him, especially now that he's been out of office for two years and if he runs in 2024 will lose election for GOP.

GOP is insane too, look at the issues getting play and their most vocal leaders outside of Desantis. Are those the issues and people who win elections? Not in my opinion.

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The democrat party is the party of Omar, Talib, Schiff, Nadler, Swalwell, Johnson, Pelosi, SJL, AOC, etc. (the list literally goes on and on) but not one criticism from you. This is why nobody can take you seriously.

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Beast of Burden said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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annie88 said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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Yes, dems are dumb. And yet somehow they're winning every battle.

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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Likable isn't better. So you'd rather have someone who's more likable than competent?

Explains your irrational hatred of Trump.

I'd rather have an ass in there, who had my best interest at heart, than an utter imbecile like this woman, Biden, Kamala, and pretty much every Democrat in office.

Holy hell, no wonder the Democratic Party is insane.

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I am not an arizona voter, are you? Dismiss it because you lost 2020 election over it, but candidates need to be likable to win.

Irrational hatred of trump? Not sure where you get that. Pretty indifferent about him, especially now that he's been out of office for two years and if he runs in 2024 will lose election for GOP.

GOP is insane too, look at the issues getting play and their most vocal leaders outside of Desantis. Are those the issues and people who win elections? Not in my opinion.

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The democrat party is the party of Omar, Talib, Schiff, Nadler, Swalwell, Johnson, Pelosi, SJL, AOC, etc. (the list literally goes on and on) but not one criticism from you. This is why nobody can take you seriously.

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One of the many, many reasons.

Not whining. stating truth.

I know the truth scared liberals.

Anyone with a brain knows the 2020 election was stolen. Even democrats know, the media knows, they just don't care.

This is like Covid. The lies will only go so far.

Democrats no longer need candidates to be likable, or smart, or articulate, or anything. They don't even have to be known. They don't have to debate or have rallies. They can hide in basements like Biden or avoid debates like Hobbs. They can even be severely brain damaged like Fetterman. It doesn't matter anymore. Democrats no longer have to have big "get out the vote" concerts to excite young people to be motivated enough to go vote for a candidate they like. No more selling ideas or earning votes. No more donations or fund raising goes to these efforts anymore. The donations and fund raising all goes to NGOs to go get the mail-in ballots now. As both Joe Biden and Joe Stalin said, it's not about who votes, it's who counts the votes. WHO COUNTS THE VOTES. Repeat the line. End quote. Salute the Marines.

TXAGFAN said:

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Yes, dems are dumb. And yet somehow they're winning every battle.

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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False. Dems clearly cheated; it's the only explanation.

My goal is within 18 months to move to Arizona so I paid close attention to the situation. I fully expected Lake to win based on the conversations I have with people there. I've spent a couple of years traveling there often to determine where I want to live. Granted most of the people I interacted with are in my age range (I'm 66) and the many I talked to moving from California were fleeing the liberal madness. I'm always in the SE Valley suburbs which probably are red but it's a s***tshow with Hobbs.

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It's all about "Team D" no matter who or what, and the ideology versus any candidate. The candidates are interchangeable puppets who spew out the same ideological message. They don't need to be effective and dynamic individuals. They have a large majority of the media to protect them from mistakes and hide faults, and run narratives. They have have staffs of ideologues from various special interests and party minders to actually implement Dem policy. Almost any eligible human being will do as a Dem candidate these days.

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Don't people on this board do the same thing? By supporting terrible candidates like Dan Patrick who's keeping Texas in the 1950's and Ken Paxton who actually has a criminal record?

Mike collier is a good alternative to Patrick, he's not an AOC liberal, but nobody on this board will even look into him.

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Have you seen all the arguments over which candidate is best for primaries? All the time. There's also plenty of griping about incumbents too.

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Democrats no longer need candidates to be likable, or smart, or articulate, or anything. They don't even have to be known. They don't have to debate or have rallies. They can hide in basements like Biden or avoid debates like Hobbs. They can even be severely brain damaged like Fetterman. It doesn't matter anymore. Democrats no longer have to have big "get out the vote" concerts to excite young people to be motivated enough to go vote for a candidate they like. No more selling ideas or earning votes. No more donations or fund raising goes to these efforts anymore. The donations and fund raising all goes to NGOs to go get the mail-in ballots now. As both Joe Biden and Joe Stalin said, it's not about who votes, it's who counts the votes. WHO COUNTS THE VOTES. Repeat the line. End quote. Salute the Marines.

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Yet our resident single-issue voters will throw all that common sense completely out the window in order to condescend to, and call conservatives crazy.

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Democrats no longer need candidates to be likable, or smart, or articulate, or anything. They don't even have to be known. They don't have to debate or have rallies. They can hide in basements like Biden or avoid debates like Hobbs. They can even be severely brain damaged like Fetterman. It doesn't matter anymore. Democrats no longer have to have big "get out the vote" concerts to excite young people to be motivated enough to go vote for a candidate they like. No more selling ideas or earning votes. No more donations or fund raising goes to these efforts anymore. The donations and fund raising all goes to NGOs to go get the mail-in ballots now. As both Joe Biden and Joe Stalin said, it's not about who votes, it's who counts the votes. WHO COUNTS THE VOTES. Repeat the line. End quote. Salute the Marines.

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Yet our resident single-issue voters will throw all that common sense completely out the window in order to condescend to, and call conservatives crazy.

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well of course because a government not spending trillions to devalue the currency, a government not enacting punitive taxation and regulatory environments, a government not destroying the industry of its most valuable natural resources, a government not continuously growing bigger and bigger, a government not opening its border wide open for an invasion by the millions, and a government not censoring and going after political opposition is far right wing extremism. ...and even if you agree with all that, more baby murdering is more important than authoritarian leftist Marxism.

Are we having fun yet? Are we awake? All conspiracies?

You people crack me up. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

<<<conservative says or posts something about Katie Hobbs>>>

Media Matters: Ok everyone, please turn your Media Matters Manual to page 172 and post any of the 6 approved comments from Section 3b - Response to Katie Hobbs Attack. Please make sure to reword it a bit so it doesn't all sounds the same. Thanks. <<Red Rose Emoji>>

NPC1: She's more likable!

NPC2: You should have ran someone more likeable!

NPC3: Katie Hobbs is more likeable!

NPC4: Governor Hobbs is more likeable!

NPC5: You didn't run a candidate more likeable!

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Standard lib response.

"Your candidate didn't when because they were not likeable enough, woke enough, gay enough, black enough, etc..."

They never want to discuss policies, accomplishments, and things that actually help or hurt the electorate.

Libs judge by the content of their social credit score and by what CNN tells them someone's skin color actually is.

Its an interesting explanation for why suspicious elections always fall one way.

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Yep, and their solution for Republicans to win is to sacrifice their beliefs and vote Democrat. If that's where we are, then the country is over.

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's all about "Team D" no matter who or what, and the ideology versus any candidate. The candidates are interchangeable puppets who spew out the same ideological message. They don't need to be effective and dynamic individuals. They have a large majority of the media to protect them from mistakes and hide faults, and run narratives. They have have staffs of ideologues from various special interests and party minders to actually implement Dem policy. Almost any eligible human being will do as a Dem candidate these days.

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Don't people on this board do the same thing? By supporting terrible candidates like Dan Patrick who's keeping Texas in the 1950's and Ken Paxton who actually has a criminal record?

Mike collier is a good alternative to Patrick, he's not an AOC liberal, but nobody on this board will even look into him.

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Have you seen all the arguments over which candidate is best for primaries? All the time. There's also plenty of griping about incumbents too.

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Patrick and Paxton are supposedly unpopular, but sail through the texas Republican primary every 4 years so something isn't adding up.

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<<<conservative says or posts something about Katie Hobbs>>>

Media Matters: Ok everyone, please turn your Media Matters Manual to page 172 and post any of the 6 approved comments from Section 3b - Response to Katie Hobbs Attack. Please make sure to reword it a bit so it doesn't all sounds the same. Thanks. <<Red Rose Emoji>>

NPC1: She's more likable!

NPC2: You should have ran someone more likeable!

NPC3: Katie Hobbs is more likeable!

NPC4: Governor Hobbs is more likeable!

NPC5: You didn't run a candidate more likeable!

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Whether you guys like it or not, the superficial **** matters. Bush only beat gore because women thought he was attractive and most non-republicans who voted for him knew Bush wasn't smart, but they said stuff like he's the president you would want to have a beer with.

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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That's a pretty dumb statement. Kari Lake was an extremely likable candidate. Absolutely beautiful, very well spoken, and someone that shows sincere concern for her state and it's people's wellbeing. She was a home run likable candidate if there ever was one. She should have easily pulled 100% of any red vote and plenty of purple voters as well.

I suppose part of Hobbs being likable was keeping her out of site and out of mind while dodging debates.

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TXAGFAN said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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That's a pretty dumb statement. Kari Lake was an extremely likable candidate. Absolutely beautiful, very well spoken, and someone that shows sincere concern for her state and it's people's wellbeing. She was a home run likable candidate if there ever was one. She should have easily pulled 100% of any red vote and plenty of purple voters as well.

I suppose part of Hobbs being likable was keeping her out of site and out of mind while dodging debates.

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She probably could have pulled nearly 100% of the R vote if she hadn't told a chunk of them to stay home.

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To be fair she looks like a genius compared to Fetterman.

The Democratic Party leadership doesn't require candidates to be intelligent, honest, ethical or moral. They only required absolute obedience to the party. The Democratic Party leadership has no honor.

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All kinds of rumors that he's more incapacitated than reported. They need to get to August so the governor can appoint a Democrat, otherwise it goes to an election.

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They're doing the cartels' bidding. This is no accident.

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The investigation by the attorneys showing the cartel is running the State of Arizona is sickening .. this could only be happening if those in power wanted it .. I hope the people of Arizona clean this trash out .. and every state they are doing this in.. I can guess the main states this is occurring in

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Not whining. stating truth.

I know the truth scared liberals.

Anyone with a brain knows the 2020 election was stolen. Even democrats know, the media knows, they just don't care.

This is like Covid. The lies will only go so far.

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Waaa. Prove it. Arizona was a highly contested state and "stolen" according to the narrative, AG couldn't prove it.

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TXAGFAN said:

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Yes, dems are dumb. And yet somehow they're winning every battle.

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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That's a pretty dumb statement. Kari Lake was an extremely likable candidate. Absolutely beautiful, very well spoken, and someone that shows sincere concern for her state and it's people's wellbeing. She was a home run likable candidate if there ever was one. She should have easily pulled 100% of any red vote and plenty of purple voters as well.

I suppose part of Hobbs being likable was keeping her out of site and out of mind while dodging debates.

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For a candidate in a purple state, she wasn't all inclusive. She very famously told John McCain supporters in ARIZONA to " get the hell out" of her events.

McCain won Arizona many times statewide on the senate level and once on the presidential level. He's not the kind of person you should crap on if you want to win in Arizona.

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oh no said:

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Democrats no longer need candidates to be likable, or smart, or articulate, or anything. They don't even have to be known. They don't have to debate or have rallies. They can hide in basements like Biden or avoid debates like Hobbs. They can even be severely brain damaged like Fetterman. It doesn't matter anymore. Democrats no longer have to have big "get out the vote" concerts to excite young people to be motivated enough to go vote for a candidate they like. No more selling ideas or earning votes. No more donations or fund raising goes to these efforts anymore. The donations and fund raising all goes to NGOs to go get the mail-in ballots now. As both Joe Biden and Joe Stalin said, it's not about who votes, it's who counts the votes. WHO COUNTS THE VOTES. Repeat the line. End quote. Salute the Marines.

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Yet our resident single-issue voters will throw all that common sense completely out the window in order to condescend to, and call conservatives crazy.

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Is that not allowed now? Have you see how this board talks about democrats/liberals?

Don't worry, the rhetoric from the minority is always tempered by an invisible hand.

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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That's a pretty dumb statement. Kari Lake was an extremely likable candidate. Absolutely beautiful, very well spoken, and someone that shows sincere concern for her state and it's people's wellbeing. She was a home run likable candidate if there ever was one. She should have easily pulled 100% of any red vote and plenty of purple voters as well.

I suppose part of Hobbs being likable was keeping her out of site and out of mind while dodging debates.

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Go read up on Arizona's State Treasurer who was frontrunner before Trump tried to be a kingmaker. She won by double digits in her re-election. Lake wasn't likable, Yee would have easily beat Hobbs running on a campaign that didn't involve ****ting on McCain and slurping Trump.

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Patrick and Paxton are supposedly unpopular, but sail through the texas Republican primary every 4 years so something isn't adding up.

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Marxism is really unpopular in Texas. Beeto out front should have told you.

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<<<conservative says or posts something about Katie Hobbs>>>

Media Matters: Ok everyone, please turn your Media Matters Manual to page 172 and post any of the 6 approved comments from Section 3b - Response to Katie Hobbs Attack. Please make sure to reword it a bit so it doesn't all sounds the same. Thanks. <<Red Rose Emoji>>

NPC1: She's more likable!

NPC2: You should have ran someone more likeable!

NPC3: Katie Hobbs is more likeable!

NPC4: Governor Hobbs is more likeable!

NPC5: You didn't run a candidate more likeable!

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Whether you guys like it or not, the superficial **** matters. Bush only beat gore because women thought he was attractive and most non-republicans who voted for him knew Bush wasn't smart, but they said stuff like he's the president you would want to have a beer with.

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bad candidate Bush won because he's attractive (really?) and voters could have a beer with him??? so why did bad candidate Katie Hobbs win? She's not attractive, no one wants to have a drink with her. what superficial **** that matters helped her out here?

Kari ran too close to Trump in a state that worships John McCain and has the only moderate Dem senator in Sinema (Sinema and Manchin are the only Dem senators who are not Marxists).

Had she run away from Trump after the primaries, she would have won like Desantis, Abbott, Kemp, Youngkin, Sununu, Dewine, and Lee did.

There is a lane between RINO Mitt and Trump.

This lane basically makes you unbeatable in the suburbs.

All it requires you to do is to focus on the economy/inflation, crime/law and order, and the border.

Abbott does this masterfully.

He kept talking about the economy/inflation, crime/law and order, and the border on repeat non stop.

That is why he won by double digits and everyone down ballot statewide won by double digits.

Abbott's most recent term was his most conservative: constitutional carry, abortion ban, operation lone star, and trips to sanctuary.

He still won big time because he is a disciplined candidate that doesn't keep talking about 2020 like Kari did.

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TexAgs91 said:

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well, in arizona they picked a more likable candidate.

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More likable? It took over a month to declare a winner.

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Kari ran too close to Trump in a state that worships John McCain

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none of the approved communist talking points like this one explain Hobbs