Different breeds have been demonized over the decades.

Pits are just the flavor of the month which coincides with the explosion of information sharing via the interwebz.

Dobermans, Rottweilers, and German Shepherds were previous flavors.

https://allpetnews.com/dangerous-dogs-by-the-decade

Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

Anyone have good information on why pit bull is not more represented in military working dogs?

jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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Anyone have good information on why pit bull is not more represented in military working dogs?

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Is that the standard with which we should allow dog breeds to exist?

tehmackdaddy said:

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fixer said:

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Anyone have good information on why pit bull is not more represented in military working dogs?

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Is that the standard with which we should allow dog breeds to exist?

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It's a genuine question, not a reference to a standard.

I'm seeking information that others may find useful as well as myself.

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tehmackdaddy said:

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fixer said:

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Anyone have good information on why pit bull is not more represented in military working dogs?

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Is that the standard with which we should allow dog breeds to exist?

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It's a genuine question, not a reference to a standard.

I'm seeking information that others may find useful as well as myself.

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The only dog breed in the top 10 of intelligence used by the military is the German Shepherd.

It is a matter of meeting needs.

In my defense of pitbulls, they would not be my first choice for a family pet.

I just disagree with demonizing the breed and calling for its extermination.

Q: Is it a "bad" breed problem or is it a "bad" owner problem?

A: Does it really matter when some innocent gets their face ripped off by an animal that's known to be capable of inflicting this kind of damage?

Roy Horn (of Siegfried & Roy) used to tell anybody who would listen that their tigers were misunderstood and not dangerous if you were a "good" owner. Then one attacked him onstage and nearly killed him.

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fixer said:

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fixer said:

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Anyone have good information on why pit bull is not more represented in military working dogs?

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Is that the standard with which we should allow dog breeds to exist?

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It's a genuine question, not a reference to a standard.

I'm seeking information that others may find useful as well as myself.

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The only dog breed in the top 10 of intelligence used by the military is the German Shepherd.

It is a matter of meeting needs.

In my defense of pitbulls, they would not be my first choice for a family pet.

I just disagree with demonizing the breed and calling for its extermination.

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Cool.

How are your knees? Those are some pretty big jumps to conclusions ( about my motivation asking a question).

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I really am a hypocrite in the sense that I have always been very leery and thought poorly of pits, well until I ended up with one. And before I did I really thought long and hard about it as I had other dogs, a younger child, and was just really torn about it. But I ended up keeping her and I am better for it.

The one thing in all of this is that I wonder why it has only been in the last 15-20 years that the Pitbull like breeds have become the scrounge of US dogs? The "nanny dog" reference earlier in the thread is valid. Pits were loved and appreciated, look no further than "Petey". Pits served with the armed forces in WWI. They were very popular. But during that time frame there was not the clamoring regarding the blood thirsty evilness that exists today. Why? If the dogs are so terrible why wasn't it common knowledge back then?

I mean 60, 70, 80-100+ years ago rumors, panics, and general hysteria spread like wildfire and events and rumors were embellished and exaggerated big time. Did Pits just become killers? Did they eat all the kids they killed and nobody noticed? Why the change?

I believe that in times past, be they Pits or not, people didn't tolerate mean animals. I also believe macho wanna be bad ass breeding took off a rampant pace. And crappy people back then were probably not in a position to own animals. This is the biggest difference in my opinion. If crappy people owned any other tough breed in propensity then that breed might be the one reviled.

My great grandmother, a very educated woman who was a 3 time published author and has a historical marker to her credit, was absolutely off the rails scared of and hated German Shepard's. Apparently around the turn of the century some relative was torn up by one and the wound became infected and he/she died (I don't know the full story). But I remember she hated them and my grandmother and great aunts talked about it. She wouldn't go visit my oldest cousin because her husband had one and it was a family fiasco. Was she BSC in taking that stance? In that regard I kinda think so.

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Now we have actual data to support that pits have always been the worst dogs by far. Before no one knew how bad they were because no one kept this information. Now we have it and should not ignore it.

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I have a pit mix. She's a good good girl.

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I have a super sweet pit mix also. She's a great family pet.

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My pet Leopard is a super sweet girl as well. Has never bit anyone. I just make sure she doesn't play with the neighbors kids on any empty stomach. It's all about being a good owner and not neglecting your Leopard.

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well...not exactly. A leopard is a wild, exotic animal. Maybe you should meet my girl. She has a keen sense about her though and senses fear..she probably wouldn't like you.

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The shocking attack took place on Friday afternoon, when Najera, a U.S. Air Force veteran and San Antonio native, and his wife, Juanita Najera, 74, went to visit a friend on the 2800 block of Depla Street.
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Ramon recently started dialysis.
Juanita is still in the hospital.
His family set up a GFM.

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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was absolutely off the rails scared of and hated German Shepard's.

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Cannot stand German Shepherds, I think they are extremely underrated in the violent department. When I was 5 or 6 some guy brought his GS to my grandad's place and it just came up and bit the F out of me for no reason whatsoever. Had several other close encounters throughout my life as well. I think because they don't particularly look like a "mean" or "scary" dog, they get a pass. But they can be ticking timebombs as well.

You don't have to be a scientist to be able to realize that this animal was specifically bred to be violent and to dominate beasts much larger than themselves. It doesn't mean they can't be trained and that most won't be peaceful if well trained for their entire lives. But let's all just be honest and agree that they were bred for violence.



Some of them depart from the original dogs they come from so much they almost look like beasts from horror movies...

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There is a big deal about one named Sgt. Stubby. Also one named "Popsicle" was a well thought of LEO dog.

I think there are some other applications that they are used for as well.

My daughters batting coach raises Belgians some which have gone to LEO's, he is a Federal agent as well, and before he got into the Belgians he bred and raised Pits for many years. He quit, not because of the dogs, but because of the bad rap and the amount of people that would approach him for fighting dogs.

One of the things he did tell me is that Pits don't swim well and are like heavyweights, they can stand a slugfest but they aren't going to run a marathon by any means. They don't have the endurance some of the other breeds do. The Belgians are easier to train as well according to him, but in his book the pits are friendlier. Some of the Belgians he says are just stone cold killers waiting for the order.

The military has banned from bases and from being working dogs several breeds, among them the Pits.

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fixer said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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fixer said:

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Anyone have good information on why pit bull is not more represented in military working dogs?

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Is that the standard with which we should allow dog breeds to exist?

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It's a genuine question, not a reference to a standard.

I'm seeking information that others may find useful as well as myself.

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The only dog breed in the top 10 of intelligence used by the military is the German Shepherd.

It is a matter of meeting needs.

In my defense of pitbulls, they would not be my first choice for a family pet.

I just disagree with demonizing the breed and calling for its extermination.

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Cool.

How are your knees? Those are some pretty big jumps to conclusions ( about my motivation asking a question).

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My knees are fine.

Thanks for asking.

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tehmackdaddy said:

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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The epidemic of ignorance resides with you.

tehmackdaddy said:

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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The epidemic of ignorance resides with you.

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Just because most peoples' pit bulls don't attack them or others, doesn't mean they weren't bred specifically for violence.

It appears to me the real dangerous animals in those pics are the humans.

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It appears to me the real dangerous animals in those pics are the humans.

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Yep, humans tampered with nature and created the violent and deadly pit bull. I agree.

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It appears to me the real dangerous animals in those pics are the humans.

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Yep, humans tampered with nature and created the violent and deadly pit bull. I agree.

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You should start a campaign on this. It's only when really serious people are passionate about thing that ideas and laws change.

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Now we have actual data to support that pits have always been the worst dogs by far. Before no one knew how bad they were because no one kept this information. Now we have it and should not ignore it.

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You are right about having data. One always hears "Pit Bull Mix" in these tragedies. I have often wondered if that isn't like "died of covid" in a generalization sense intended to be frightening. If these killers are mixes, what are they mixed with?

In terms of the data, I would really have to wonder if killer Pits from years ago would have gone ignored, especially in the era of salacious yellow journalism.

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Now we have actual data to support that pits have always been the worst dogs by far. Before no one knew how bad they were because no one kept this information. Now we have it and should not ignore it.

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You are right about having data. One always hears "Pit Bull Mix" in these tragedies. I have often wondered if that isn't like "died of covid" in a generalization sense intended to be frightening. If these killers are mixes, what are they mixed with?

In terms of the data, I would really have to wonder if killer Pits from years ago would have gone ignored, especially in the era of salacious yellow journalism.

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You heard it here, the data doesn't exist and is invalid! There is no way it is real, it must be something wrong with the researchers and how the information was gathered! My previous pit would never do these things!

Yeah well. I will join the group that says a pit was my favorite, most gentle dog ever. I have pics of him wrestling with the cat. That said, he was 45 pounds. Now they have bred these things into monsters. If I could clone my dog, I would, but after having kids, decided not to get another.

https://a-z-animals.com/blog/the-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds/

"Comparing this information with data about fatal attacks in 2021, we can draw conclusions about dog breeds that continue to be deadliest in the coming year.

1. Pit Bull

"Although it should come as no surprise to most people who study dangerous dog breeds, the pit bull is the most dangerous dog. While not a breed recognized by the American Kennel Club, "pit bull" is a catch-all used to include bulldogs and terriers rather than a single dog breed. According to the aforementioned study, over a period of 13 years, the pit bull was responsible for 284 deaths, roughly 2/3 of all fatal dog attacks in the United States.

That is a rather discouraging statistic when one considers that only 6% of all dogs in the United States are pit bulls. They were bred to be dangerous for generations as hunting dogs and fighting dogs, so it is no surprise these dogs continue to be a threat to this day."

tehmackdaddy said:

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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The epidemic of ignorance resides with you.

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Lol...nothing to see here, please move along. It's just bad owners as another little girl gets her face ripped off. You live in fantasy land.

tehmackdaddy said:

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Different breeds have been demonized over the decades.

Pits are just the flavor of the month which coincides with the explosion of information sharing via the interwebz.

Dobermans, Rottweilers, and German Shepherds were previous flavors.

https://allpetnews.com/dangerous-dogs-by-the-decade

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Problem is this decade isn't ending.

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tehmackdaddy said:

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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The epidemic of ignorance resides with you.

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Lol...nothing to see here, please move along. It's just bad owners as another little girl gets her face ripped off. You live in fantasy land.

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You have a 1 in 112,400 chance of dying from a dog bite or strike

• You are at more risk of dying from:
• Cataclysmic storm: 1 in 66,335
• Contact with hornets, wasps and bees: 1 in 63,225

Be careful outside...

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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The epidemic of ignorance resides with you.

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Lol...nothing to see here, please move along. It's just bad owners as another little girl gets her face ripped off. You live in fantasy land.

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You have a 1 in 112,400 chance of dying from a dog bite or strike

• You are at more risk of dying from:
• Cataclysmic storm: 1 in 66,335
• Contact with hornets, wasps and bees: 1 in 63,225

Be careful outside...

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This is a joke. They're weaponized animals.

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Ag with kids said:

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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The epidemic of ignorance resides with you.

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Lol...nothing to see here, please move along. It's just bad owners as another little girl gets her face ripped off. You live in fantasy land.

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You have a 1 in 112,400 chance of dying from a dog bite or strike

• You are at more risk of dying from:
• Cataclysmic storm: 1 in 66,335
• Contact with hornets, wasps and bees: 1 in 63,225

Be careful outside...

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This is a joke. They're weaponized animals.

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Sorry.

Didn't mean to post facts on here. I apologize...

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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The epidemic of ignorance resides with you.

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Lol...nothing to see here, please move along. It's just bad owners as another little girl gets her face ripped off. You live in fantasy land.

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You have a 1 in 112,400 chance of dying from a dog bite or strike

• You are at more risk of dying from:
• Cataclysmic storm: 1 in 66,335
• Contact with hornets, wasps and bees: 1 in 63,225

Be careful outside...

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My neighbor has a nice size beehive across the street from us. My wife has a bird bath in the front flower bed. We call it the bee highway, cause you can see the bees flying from across the street to our flower bed to get water. Never been attacked by a dog, however... been stung several times by those bees. Lucky for me, every time I get stung, my neighbor gives me a jar of honey. Guess its a good trade off. lol

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Ag with kids said:

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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JB99 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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jagvocate said:

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Y'all don't know how to calculate frequency (google pit bull attack) and intensity (few dogs can make you look like a 6 day old hamburger for the rest of your life)

Put it together and you have a breed with no reason to live. Many will die on this hill

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I already responded to this line of reasoning a few posts above.

You are no different than the person who wants to ban "assault rifles" (which they cannot define) or the women who want to put a curfew on men one day a week so they can feel safe running at 3 in the morning.

There is something you are scared of.

Instead of addressing the root problem, you'd rather legally ban what you fear.

Your reasoning is a slippery slope and should be entirely rejected.

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The root of the problem is the breed was bred to kill things and idiots keep acting surprised when they do. There's an epidemic of ignorance and overconfidence that plagues the people that choose to own these animals. Their hubris makes them believe they can control them because they are superior owners and know how to train pets better. Then the dog rips someone's face off and we are right back here wondering what happened. Dogs are bred to do things. It's burned into their nature. Quit being a dumbass.

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The epidemic of ignorance resides with you.

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Lol...nothing to see here, please move along. It's just bad owners as another little girl gets her face ripped off. You live in fantasy land.

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You have a 1 in 112,400 chance of dying from a dog bite or strike

• You are at more risk of dying from:
• Cataclysmic storm: 1 in 66,335
• Contact with hornets, wasps and bees: 1 in 63,225

Be careful outside...

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This is a joke. They're weaponized animals.

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Sorry.

Didn't mean to post facts on here. I apologize...

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Cite sources and I bet I can find worse.

Edit: If these dogs aren't being worked, they are a huge liability. Maybe even then.

Some people have an axe to grind and these threads satiate that need.