ElKabong said:

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I think we have all these covered.


"The five marks of the Roman decaying culture:

Concern with displaying affluence instead of building wealth;

Obsession with sex and perversions of sex;

Art becomes freakish and sensationalistic instead of creative and original;

Widening disparity between very rich and very poor;

Increased demand to live off the state."

Edward Gibbon

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Yes. The one thing that is frequently missed, however, was the results of the Antonine plague. It killed off a good portion of the population, which caused an economic crisis as well

UTExan said:

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Kozmozag said:

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The fall is happening. The question is, what do we evolve into?

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A largely androgynous society dominated by women. I read one news story indicating only ~30 % of younger adult US males are in a relationship right now (married/SO) compared to 60% of US females, many of whom are opting for same sex relationships. The downside is that we have a large population of single young men without emotional attachment and without intimate partners. That's not healthy and maybe why some societies opt for arranging marriages.

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You also have a massive disparity at the collegiate ranks now as well where it's 60/40 female to male. Granted a lot of college these days is pointless.

We have a huge male problem in this country that few care to talk about because straight males are currently the enemy of the left.

Jeeper79 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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magnumtmp said:

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Kozmozag said:

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The fall is happening. The question is, what do we evolve into?

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Kingship/Dictator if Aristotle is right.

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Roman citizens didn't have semi-automatic rifles. We're not becoming a monarchy unless the right chooses it.

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I'll amend my previous statement. I don't think think the right is above choosing a monarch if that monarch provided everything they wanted. The past few years have shown that the GOP is very ok with government oversight as long as it's oversight they like.

That's not to say they would, either. Just that it's still somewhere within the vast realm of possibility.

Now libertarians… They're not going down without a fight.

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Examples please? Thanks

fc2112 said:

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Yeah, perhaps so on China. But I don't think there is much debate they are soon to be the world's dominate economy. They are already basically buying large swarths of Africa and South America.

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Maybe. In the past year or so there have been quite a few, new predictions that China will no longer surpass us as the dominant economy because of their demographics problem (unrecoverable) combined with their ever expanding Black Mirror society.

And I recently posted a WSJ article somewhere on here about their belt and road initiative starting to fail under its own ineptitude and corruptness.

We shall see though. Not saying I'm right.

I think the economic machine of the U.S. is far from crumbling like a traditional empire. Obviously we need to move away from our current Maxist-leaning policies that would no doubt speed up the process, but the U.S. continues to have the best resources and attract the best and brightest.

That being said, I do think our current direction is leading to a culture of indifference with the rest of world. Instead of being as strong as we could be and being a beacon of hope for the world, we are forced to look inward because of our problems...and are indifferent to the problems of the outside world because we're so jaded from those in our country trying to hold it back.

Jeeper79 said:

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Now libertarians… They're not going down without a fight.

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Well, the ones that aren't too stoned to care anyways...

OP could have posted this 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 years ago and been relevant.

PA24 said:

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If you believe in Christianity then you believe in God's everlasting covenant with Israel.
With that, great empires were created to either punish or reward Israel. Once that role is complete, God is done with them. He leaves them to their on devices or reprobate minds.
Babylonian
Assyrian
Greek
Romans
Ottoman
American?

America's support to Israel is the sole reason Israel is one of the most power nation' on earth. The stage is set.

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Daniel 2:31-49

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But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader;

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This is where we started to screw up. The framers of the Constitution wanted only voters with "Skin in the Game", in other words land owners, business owners and tax payers. Voters need to be directly effected by tax and spending policies that they vote to implement.

We started giving the vote to everyone over the age of 18 no matter their contribution to society or to the country. Way to many people vote for what ever might benefit themselves no matter what the effect is to the rest of the country.

I feel like you don't know what's really happening in China. In what sense are they ascending?

Jeeper79 said:

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PA24 said:

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If you believe in Christianity then you believe in God's everlasting covenant with Israel.
With that, great empires were created to either punish or reward Israel. Once that role is complete, God is done with them. He leaves them to their on devices or reprobate minds.
Babylonian
Assyrian
Greek
Romans
Ottoman
American?

America's support to Israel is the sole reason Israel is one of the most power nation' on earth. The stage is set.

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God's everlasting covenant with Israel is an Old Testament construct. Not to dismiss it outright, but one of the pillars of Christianity that distinguishes it from Judaism is that non-Jews are equally deserving of God's Grace and salvation. The distinction between Jews and non-Jews is, at the very least, severely diminished, if not dropped altogether. That includes us.

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True, grace and salvation for those who are saved but Israel is still the promise land and center stage for upcoming biblical events.

Jesus will return to Israel before the battle of Armageddon as written by apostle John in Revelations. The Antichrist will commit blasphemy in the temple located in Jerusalem. The Antichrist will make a covenant with Israel and its enemies. The 1000 year rule will be in the new Jerusalem, above Israel and so on.

Israel is still the center of attention of the return of Christ in the New Testament where he stops the world from destroying itself. God uses nations to set the stage for his plan, thruout history and to this day. God's ending has not changed.

God's plan requires Israel to be whole and he uses whoever he chooses to realize his plan.

Less than 1% of the American population has served in the military. Tell me how y'all think this is a recipe for success.

The fall of the eastern Roman Empire is a lot more interesting than the older/western one that died a lot sooner.



Just my 2 cents.

Zemo : An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead... forever.

Israel