But we are not involved other than ancillarily. We can cut off aid or we can continue it, but who gives a sh/t if Russians and Ukrainians are killing each other? And again, where do we get off telling Ukraine that they have to cede territory to an invading country? Why do we get to determine that they don't have a right to fight back? And again, that is a separate discussion from supporting them in that effort. Even if we pulled our support I wouldn't support telling them they have to stand down from defending themselves unless that is what they wanted to do.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:It wasn't but now that we are involved we need to push for peace talks. If we don't we fight a stagnant war burning through billions.pagerman @ work said:And why is it our job to dictate terms to the Ukrainians? Where do we get off telling other countries how much of their country is acceptable for them to cede to an outside aggressor? They don't get to (at least attempt to) decide that on their own?Quote:
This ends one of two ways: escalation to US forces getting involved, or peace talks and the Russians and people of Ukraine redrawing the map.
We don't have to arm or support them, but we also don't have to mandate their surrender.
And the US is not going to send troops to Ukraine, period. If we were going to, it would have happened already when the conventional wisdom was that Ukraine had no chance against the Russian invasion.
The point of supporting Ukraine indirectly with arms is so that hopefully we don't have to support Latvia, Lithuania and/or Estonia directly with US troops. And FYI, those countries have sizable ethnic Russian minorities that I am sure Moscow feels would be safer under the wing of mother Russia. And they are access points into the heart of Russia. And they are NATO members and thus (in the paranoid Russian mind) direct threats to Russia's very existence.
It's one thing to broker a peace if that is what Ukraine wants, it is entirely different to impose a deal when one side (particularly the invaded side) wants to continue the fight.
And why are these billions any more important than the $5,900 billion we spend on other sh/t?