I HOPE they're smarter than that, too, but don't have much faith in them given their continued mission creep.GAC06 said:
No, I think they're smarter than that.
I HOPE they're smarter than that, too, but don't have much faith in them given their continued mission creep.GAC06 said:
No, I think they're smarter than that.
Isolationist Americans think they are actually coming up with something new, when this same type of mentality has been around for thousands of years of human history.Artorias said:Feel free to send your kids to some ****hole country to die for some pointless war/conflict. My kid is staying home. If China brings the fight to US soil, different discussion.Teslag said:
Nothing says rugged patriot like sending an LGBT kid to fight in a war that little Colton is too good for. He's far more important to his select baseball team back here.
Yeah there lies the problem. None of our money or "us" have to be there.Teslag said:Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
I'm perfectly fine sending the leftist Ukraine supporters first to be fair.
And I'm perfectly fine with sending your money instead of any of us.
nortex97 said:To your point:IndividualFreedom said:Are democrats allowed to make decisions?Quote:
There is simply no realistic scenario where we re-institute a draft to fight in Ukraine.The impact of Biden’s disastrous and deadly surrender in Afghanistan is still being felt. Biden is having to deploy more troops than were in Afghanistan to Poland and Taiwan in an attempt to convince our enemies we are committed to our allies. Arguably https://t.co/7z2M3P6CLX… https://t.co/X1uPoa5zN2
— @amuse (@amuse) February 23, 2023
drip, drip, drip...
jwoodmd said:You didn't answer his question, comrade Russian botBeast of Burden said:shiftyandquick said:
How old are you pro-Russia MAGA guys? Old enough to be alive while Ronald Reagan was president?
Shiftyandslow, have you ever considered trying to use some honesty during your "arguments"?
Watch your mouthTom Kazansky 2012 said:jwoodmd said:You didn't answer his question, comrade Russian botBeast of Burden said:shiftyandquick said:
How old are you pro-Russia MAGA guys? Old enough to be alive while Ronald Reagan was president?
Shiftyandslow, have you ever considered trying to use some honesty during your "arguments"?
Care to answer my question on escalation you ingord three times yesterday?
LMCane said:Isolationist Americans think they are actually coming up with something new, when this same type of mentality has been around for thousands of years of human history.Artorias said:Feel free to send your kids to some ****hole country to die for some pointless war/conflict. My kid is staying home. If China brings the fight to US soil, different discussion.Teslag said:
Nothing says rugged patriot like sending an LGBT kid to fight in a war that little Colton is too good for. He's far more important to his select baseball team back here.
the same things isolationists are saying today- are the exact same things they were saying back in 1941.
and THAT turned out great for the world.
"Feel free to send your kids to some ****hole country to die for some pointless war/conflict. My kid is staying home. If Japan brings the fight to US soil, different discussion."
Still not a single response. When pushed to think ahead of where we are going, the Ukraine bois go total birdbox:Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
Here's the proof you all are arguing semantics.
Would anyone disagree we are escalating our support with more funds and more equipment and more powerful offensive equipment?
Anyone?
You forgot about the Ukraine flag waivers equating Biden to Reagan ... but overall well done.oh no said:
If you don't have a hard-on for WW3, and you're not excited about how our weak installed leader has emboldened geopolitical and economic rivals towards hostile actions after an embarrassing Afghan exit and sabotaging offshore infrastructure, and you're not on board with sending another hundred billion dollars to one of the most corrupt places in the world, then you're an isolationist Putin stooge! Everyone knows that!
nortex97 said:To your point:IndividualFreedom said:Are democrats allowed to make decisions?Quote:
There is simply no realistic scenario where we re-institute a draft to fight in Ukraine.The impact of Biden’s disastrous and deadly surrender in Afghanistan is still being felt. Biden is having to deploy more troops than were in Afghanistan to Poland and Taiwan in an attempt to convince our enemies we are committed to our allies. Arguably https://t.co/7z2M3P6CLX… https://t.co/X1uPoa5zN2
— @amuse (@amuse) February 23, 2023
drip, drip, drip...
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maybe the WWIII nuclear Armageddon that Joe Biden seems to want so badly is drawing close upon us and military conscription / selective service is coming for our sons
how old are your sons?pagerman @ work said:Quote:
maybe the WWIII nuclear Armageddon that Joe Biden seems to want so badly is drawing close upon us and military conscription / selective service is coming for our sons
oh no said:
If you don't have a hard-on for WW3, and you're not excited about how our weak installed leader has emboldened geopolitical and economic rivals towards hostile actions after an embarrassing Afghan exit and sabotaging offshore infrastructure, and you're not on board with sending another hundred billion dollars to one of the most corrupt places in the world, then you're an isolationist Putin stooge! Everyone knows that! ...stooopid ultra-MAGA- you're not like Reagan at alllll!!!!!!
This may be true, but DJT was tripling down on building a strong defense with a volunteer force. joe and his generals have been purposely destroying our armed forces with wokeness and volunteer numbers have plummeted. The democrats broke it on purpose and they can not take OUR young men to fix it or die trying. Not an option.Quote:
We've been building up our presence in Poland before Biden even took office. And I led a group a few years ago to shift medical assets from Kaiserslautern to Romania. Our focus shifted to that region before this conflict even started.
And why is it our job to dictate terms to the Ukrainians? Where do we get off telling other countries how much of their country is acceptable for them to cede to an outside aggressor? They don't get to (at least attempt to) decide that on their own?Quote:
This ends one of two ways: escalation to US forces getting involved, or peace talks and the Russians and people of Ukraine redrawing the map.
GAC06 said:
You've repeated the same stupid question like five times. People aren't avoiding it because it's some kind of tough question, they're avoiding it because it's silly. Russia invaded. Our position is to respect and ensure Ukraine's territorial integrity. Providing arms to counter Russia's invasion isn't escalation, it's consistency. Russia likes to talk about all the escalation and provocations they've faced since their invasion began so I guess I see where you're getting that talking point.
Biden within 2 weeks of being sworn in, cancelled that shift though, which was planned by Trump so of course it had to be wrong. The Germans still aren't hitting 2 percent on defense, even today, btw, though of course Biden cost them something like $5K per capita last year on energy emergency subsidies by emboldening Putin to launch this war.Teslag said:
I don't disagree with any of that. Just pointing out that our presence in Eastern Europe has been a strategic shift for a while now.
1. The tweet below is an official NATO message. 👇
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) February 23, 2023
Now stop and think about it. https://t.co/CfJD9zW8qc
It doesn't matter if I have 0 or 100 draft age sons.oh no said:how old are your sons?pagerman @ work said:Quote:
maybe the WWIII nuclear Armageddon that Joe Biden seems to want so badly is drawing close upon us and military conscription / selective service is coming for our sons
jwoodmd said:Weird and evasive response coming from a ten day old account. Answer shinty's question!Beast of Burden said:jwoodmd said:You didn't answer his question, comrade Russian botBeast of Burden said:shiftyandquick said:
How old are you pro-Russia MAGA guys? Old enough to be alive while Ronald Reagan was president?
Shiftyandslow, have you ever considered trying to use some honesty during your "arguments"?
jwood, I always get a good chuckle when you try and engage on f16. It's usually pretty entertaining to watch until you inevitably disappear again. What question are you referring to?
jwoodmd said:Watch your mouthTom Kazansky 2012 said:jwoodmd said:You didn't answer his question, comrade Russian botBeast of Burden said:shiftyandquick said:
How old are you pro-Russia MAGA guys? Old enough to be alive while Ronald Reagan was president?
Shiftyandslow, have you ever considered trying to use some honesty during your "arguments"?
Care to answer my question on escalation you ingord three times yesterday?
Why aren't we going to free Tibet then, about which I've seen bumper stickers for 30+ years? Or Hong Kong? Or Gambia, or Somalia, or Ethiopia? When do we re-take South Vietnam for the good people there? And the Kurds? Free Cyprus/Constantinople? A bunch of Okinawans are still sick of Japanese oppression.GAC06 said:
You've repeated the same stupid question like five times. People aren't avoiding it because it's some kind of tough question, they're avoiding it because it's silly. Russia invaded. Our position is to respect and ensure Ukraine's territorial integrity. Providing arms to counter Russia's invasion isn't escalation, it's consistency. Russia likes to talk about all the escalation and provocations they've faced since their invasion began so I guess I see where you're getting that talking point.
Did it fly over your head, English is not your native language, or did you just "ingord" the sarcasm?Beast of Burden said:
Shot:jwoodmd said:Weird and evasive response coming from a ten day old account. Answer shinty's question!Beast of Burden said:jwoodmd said:You didn't answer his question, comrade Russian botBeast of Burden said:shiftyandquick said:
How old are you pro-Russia MAGA guys? Old enough to be alive while Ronald Reagan was president?
Shiftyandslow, have you ever considered trying to use some honesty during your "arguments"?
jwood, I always get a good chuckle when you try and engage on f16. It's usually pretty entertaining to watch until you inevitably disappear again. What question are you referring to?
Chaser:jwoodmd said:Watch your mouthTom Kazansky 2012 said:jwoodmd said:You didn't answer his question, comrade Russian botBeast of Burden said:shiftyandquick said:
How old are you pro-Russia MAGA guys? Old enough to be alive while Ronald Reagan was president?
Shiftyandslow, have you ever considered trying to use some honesty during your "arguments"?
Care to answer my question on escalation you ingord three times yesterday?
It wasn't but now that we are involved we need to push for peace talks. If we don't we fight a stagnant war burning through billions.pagerman @ work said:And why is it our job to dictate terms to the Ukrainians? Where do we get off telling other countries how much of their country is acceptable for them to cede to an outside aggressor? They don't get to (at least attempt to) decide that on their own?Quote:
This ends one of two ways: escalation to US forces getting involved, or peace talks and the Russians and people of Ukraine redrawing the map.
We don't have to arm or support them, but we also don't have to mandate their surrender.
And the US is not going to send troops to Ukraine, period. If we were going to, it would have happened already when the conventional wisdom was that Ukraine had no chance against the Russian invasion.
The point of supporting Ukraine indirectly with arms is so that hopefully we don't have to support Latvia, Lithuania and/or Estonia directly with US troops. And FYI, those countries have sizable ethnic Russian minorities that I am sure Moscow feels would be safer under the wing of mother Russia. And they are access points into the heart of Russia. And they are NATO members and thus (in the paranoid Russian mind) direct threats to Russia's very existence.
nortex97 said:Why aren't we going to free Tibet then, about which I've seen bumper stickers for 30+ years? Or Hong Kong? Or Gambia, or Somalia, or Ethiopia? When do we re-take South Vietnam for the good people there? And the Kurds? Free Cyprus/Constantinople? A bunch of Okinawans are still sick of Japanese oppression.GAC06 said:
You've repeated the same stupid question like five times. People aren't avoiding it because it's some kind of tough question, they're avoiding it because it's silly. Russia invaded. Our position is to respect and ensure Ukraine's territorial integrity. Providing arms to counter Russia's invasion isn't escalation, it's consistency. Russia likes to talk about all the escalation and provocations they've faced since their invasion began so I guess I see where you're getting that talking point.
I repeated the question because people refused to answer it. You have a false premise that everyone here can read and it's bull*****GAC06 said:
You've repeated the same stupid question like five times. People aren't avoiding it because it's some kind of tough question, they're avoiding it because it's silly. Russia invaded. Our position is to respect and ensure Ukraine's territorial integrity. Providing arms to counter Russia's invasion isn't escalation, it's consistency. Russia likes to talk about all the escalation and provocations they've faced since their invasion began so I guess I see where you're getting that talking point.
Tom Kazansky 2012 said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Tom Kazansky 2012 said:You can't be that naiiveJ. Walter Weatherman said:
Am I missing some kind of push to send troops to Ukraine? Why is this even a talking point?
Feel free to provide any information to the contrary.
Escalation is real in this conflict. Just like when some of us rolled our eyes when Ukraine fanbois said this war was going to be a bargain when the original 40-some-odd billion was budgeted for Ukraine.
Some of us see where this is logically headed, and others want to talk tackti-cool stuff on the ukraine thread and pound their chest and pretend Biden is Reagan.
Hope that helps. for the record, we already have troops over there.
GAC06 said:
It hasn't escalated. Russia isn't fighting NATO. It is still a bargain for what we're achieving. If you want to be taken seriously maybe cool it with the ad homs