Teslag said:

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I get the feeling you have no idea what induction is.

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I get the feeling you have no idea what the **** you are talking about.

Tex100 said:

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eric76 said:

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Smudge said:

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Manhattan said:

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Nuclear Fusion/Sun/1AU/Solar Panel/Battery/Home Wiring/Induction/Pan/Food

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Um, solar panels are not green or efficient. And your battery…

Low information voters.

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I'd love to have solar panels, but for a different reason than most.

Whenever the power company is having problems, as is not uncommon around here, it would be nice (but expensive) to not be affected by them.

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Do you think solar panels are a direct source of power for your home?

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Huh?

I'm talking about the concept of having at least some solar panels for emergency power in case of a power outage, not the 100% replacement of utility company power with power from solar panels.

If you live in the city, you probably don't have that many power outages that last long. The power issues of a couple of years ago were rather unusual.

Out where I live, there are many issues. We can lose miles of power lines because of ice storms and tornadoes. Power can easily be out for days.

Whenever the wind is blowing hard, especially during storms, it is not unusual to have the power line cables blowing into each other and making contact and tripping breakers. These outages usually don't last much longer than a couple of hours, but with high winds all day, it may happen more than once or twice. Even if it doesn't trip any breakers, you can still have multiple brownouts per hour causing issues with some electrical devices.

We also see power outages on occasion whenever there is an issue at a substation miles away.

DrEvazanPhD said:

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Obvious troll is obvious.

My gas stove worked through the big freeze. How'd your electric hot plate fare, OP?

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Agreed. In addition to still being able to cook, we kept our home somewhat heated with the gas stove. By heating very large containers of water we could turn the burners off and the heat from the hot water would last hours. No frozen pipes. We also had a gas fireplace.

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eric76 said:

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Smudge said:

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Manhattan said:

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Nuclear Fusion/Sun/1AU/Solar Panel/Battery/Home Wiring/Induction/Pan/Food

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Um, solar panels are not green or efficient. And your battery…

Low information voters.

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I'd love to have solar panels, but for a different reason than most.

Whenever the power company is having problems, as is not uncommon around here, it would be nice (but expensive) to not be affected by them.

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The redundancy goes the other way. You should be saying that you want to use solar most of the time, but in the common occurrence that solar wont power your home, you can pull from the grid. Then when your system is producing you can sell back to the grid. But you wont be using solar when the grid goes down except to power up to cook a meal or charge your phone, or do a load of laundry.

What you're desiring is stable, clean, and consistent power from nuclear.

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Nope. What I want is enough power to get by during power outages that may last for days or weeks. Regardless of whether the power company generates electricity by gas, coal, nuclear, water, or wind, the power lines are a weak point. Not everything needs to be powered, but there are things that do need to be powered.

It didn't help when they shut our gas off a few years ago. We had wellhead gas for years, but they shut that off out of bogus concerns over hydrogen sulfide. The gas well on our property had been tested and the hydrogen sulfide levels were not hazardous.

eric76 said:

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Smudge said:

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eric76 said:

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Smudge said:

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Manhattan said:

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Nuclear Fusion/Sun/1AU/Solar Panel/Battery/Home Wiring/Induction/Pan/Food

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Um, solar panels are not green or efficient. And your battery…

Low information voters.

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I'd love to have solar panels, but for a different reason than most.

Whenever the power company is having problems, as is not uncommon around here, it would be nice (but expensive) to not be affected by them.

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The redundancy goes the other way. You should be saying that you want to use solar most of the time, but in the common occurrence that solar wont power your home, you can pull from the grid. Then when your system is producing you can sell back to the grid. But you wont be using solar when the grid goes down except to power up to cook a meal or charge your phone, or do a load of laundry.

What you're desiring is stable, clean, and consistent power from nuclear.

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Nope. What I want is enough power to get by during power outages that may last for days or weeks. Regardless of whether the power company generates electricity by gas, coal, nuclear, water, or wind, the power lines are a weak point. Not everything needs to be powered, but there are things that do need to be powered.

It didn't help when they shut our gas off a few years ago. We had wellhead gas for years, but they shut that off out of bogus concerns over hydrogen sulfide. The gas well on our property had been tested and the hydrogen sulfide levels were not hazardous.

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Gotcha… makes sense

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kyledr04 said:

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Cooking on electric sucks

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Not all electric sucks. Induction is in many ways better than gas and is used in high end kitchens and by chefs around the world.

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Putting something in writing doesn't make it true. Electric cook tops blow.

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Traditional yes. Induction no. Virtually every high end restaurant in Europe uses them. Many here do. It has a lot of advantages over gas.

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People in Europe use electric because they're forced to. Seem reason they have ****ty tiny bathrooms and crappy bare kitchens, minuscule appliances. It's not because they're better it's because socialism sucks.

I think your hard on for all things Tesla is bleeding over into other areas. This isn't the same thing.

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Off topic but true story.

My dad was assigned to a military base in Germany in 1963. Our first trip was to Paris. Of course we had to walk down the Champs-lyses to the Arc de Triomphe. Along the way, there were restaurants on one side of the street and a nice park on the other.

As we walked next to the park, a few feet off the side walk was a "toilet". Only it was just the stall, you could see a gentleman's trousers down around his shoes as he was taking a dump. Oh how romatic. One of my memories of my youth and the miserable treatment we received by the fine citizens of Paris. Still make me laugh.

Oh, honey, how beautiful the Arc de Triomphe is,
https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/uYgeBUx5I7ASX3670kNIuhl7M98=/960x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/Untitled_Panorama44-c858c1d4792c493aba97dba8a0893645.jpg
er....,,,, uh...., what's that smell?

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Teslag said:

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Those are fair. But could be solved with wider adoption. What about actually cooking?

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Electric blows for cooking, but that is personal preference. Electric is much harder to dial in certain Temps imo, and when you get it too hot it doesn't cool down quickly unlike gas which is near instantaneous.

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That's true for traditional electric, not induction. Induction is instantaneous like gas. It can also be dialed in to the degree. It's clear you have no idea what induction electric even is.

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Whos moving goal posts now? Induction limits your cookware. Glass cooktops break. Basic thermodynamics say laundering heat energy through electricity is less efficient than using it directly. Excess natural gas production makes it cheap here. You can roast/toast with open flame in a way you can't without. Optionality / redundancy.

Electricity is great - but you're just being a ***** when badgering others to justify having preferences that don't mirror yours.

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Gas transfers 38% of its energy to the food being cooked. Induction is around 80 to 90%. Induction uses magnets to induce heat in the pan itself, it's not transferred like gas or old electric. This is also why heating with induction is so much faster than gas.

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Induction stove tops suck. My mother has them and cooking over there for the holidays I accidentally dropped a pan and cracked the damn thing. Additionally, you cant use cast iron on them. They suck!

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You can use cast iron on them. I have done it for years. I'm also not clumsy and careless.

BadMoonRisin said:

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There is no link between gas stoves and asthma. Period.

It's "But but but...what about the children!" We've seen what these idiots do with The Science (tm) to get what they want going back to the late 60s with their New Ice Age/Global Cooling/Global Warming/Global Climate change nonsense and the cherry on top was the china virus.

Im tired of being lectured about science from people who havent taken a science class since 10th grade. Biology, and you know what they did to that one too...

You are being gaslit, again, so useful idiots can feel smart and politicians can take your money and energy sources.

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Will be the kind of stat Biden throws out. "Gas stoves account for 3% percent of the cases of asthma in children. 13%!"

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I'll use both induction and gas

Induction doesn't work with all my cookware

Just don't nanny the entire population

The 2014 study only linked increased risk in kitchens without exhaust fans while the stove was being used

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Which would be cheaper? Getting rid of all gas stoves, or installing exhaust fans over the gas stoves that do not have one?

Also, if the study was in 2014, why the sudden urgency now, 8 years later?

An exhaust fan is $120 ea. You are talking billions to demo gas lines and replace with electric in Texas alone.

eric76 said:

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Tex100 said:

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eric76 said:

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Smudge said:

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Manhattan said:

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Nuclear Fusion/Sun/1AU/Solar Panel/Battery/Home Wiring/Induction/Pan/Food

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Um, solar panels are not green or efficient. And your battery…

Low information voters.

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I'd love to have solar panels, but for a different reason than most.

Whenever the power company is having problems, as is not uncommon around here, it would be nice (but expensive) to not be affected by them.

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Do you think solar panels are a direct source of power for your home?

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Huh?

I'm talking about the concept of having at least some solar panels for emergency power in case of a power outage, not the 100% replacement of utility company power with power from solar panels.

If you live in the city, you probably don't have that many power outages that last long. The power issues of a couple of years ago were rather unusual.

Out where I live, there are many issues. We can lose miles of power lines because of ice storms and tornadoes. Power can easily be out for days.

Whenever the wind is blowing hard, especially during storms, it is not unusual to have the power line cables blowing into each other and making contact and tripping breakers. These outages usually don't last much longer than a couple of hours, but with high winds all day, it may happen more than once or twice. Even if it doesn't trip any breakers, you can still have multiple brownouts per hour causing issues with some electrical devices.

We also see power outages on occasion whenever there is an issue at a substation miles away.

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You are correct, they can run your home. There was an article not too long ago that the panels put on many California homes didn't last like they were supposed to and they are a ***** to recycle and throwing them in a handful runs the risk of nasty things in your drinking water.

gkaggie08 said:

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During the Texas Freezemageddon of 2021, I sure was glad to have a propane range/stovetop and propane water heater while the power was out for over 18 hours.

I'll also add that gas dryers beat the hell out of electric dryers

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This. I used the hell out of my 500 gallon propane tank during that boondoggle.

nortex97 said:

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Sometimes it takes a child to make you see the light. After finding this note from our daughter on our gas stove this morning I changed my plans for today and will be electric stove shopping instead. SoulCycle and brunch can wait; our children’s lungs can’t. #GasStoves pic.twitter.com/q1IuTUQk9j

— 🫃🏼🇺🇦💉🌊Hollaria Briden, Esq. (@HollyBriden) January 11, 2023

For the children, you monsters!

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That's a satire account, go read her profile.

Cigarettes, smoking weed, pets, dust mites, mold, and just plain old dust are far more likely to trigger an asthma attack than trace levels of NO2. Try to ban any of the first three before you come for my gas stove. Be sure to let us know how that works out

Damn it, I'm a lib and I've got a Wolf gas stove and range. I've got to stop owning myself.

agent-maroon said:

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Cigarettes, smoking weed, pets, dust mites, mold, and just plain old dust are far more likely to trigger an asthma attack than trace levels of NO2. Try to ban any of the first three before you come for my gas stove. Be sure to let us know how that works out

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“We’re outlawing your gas stove because it’s making your kids unhealthy” pic.twitter.com/WaonZ7pIlL

— Magills (@magills_) January 11, 2023

Dear lord man, I know. I knew it when I saw it posted on my feed. The needle/Ukraine/purple hair/whatever emoji's kinda gave it away. It was close enough to leftist insanity to make some people think otherwise tho.

Good, but her profile is funny too "vaxxed X 8"

YokelRidesAgain said:

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Damn it, I'm a lib and I've got a Wolf gas stove and range. I've got to stop owning myself.

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It's almost like you'd clue in and see the error of your political priors and shift away from those. Almost.

Can you roast a marshmallow inside of an electric stove? NOPE. But guess what my natural gas range can do! We're done here.

This just in: S'mores give you cancer.

Seven pages? You have to be one brainwashed, stupid mother #$&@+% to even think this is a good idea.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnSsLKnON8w/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

The CPSC is laughing it's ass off at everyone

It's not, lifelong severe asthmatic here. Now, leaky gas stoves or pipes - different story.

Manhattan said:

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I am against it, but if the "13% of childhood asthma is caused by gas stoves" is true then maybe we should look into it.

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Wow you seem reasonable. Congrats nice bit of performance art.

First of all, the largest analysis of any link between gas stoves & childhood asthma (500,000+ children sampled worldwide) found “no evidence of an association between the use of gas as a cooking fuel and either asthma symptoms or asthma diagnosis.” https://t.co/vNADeKBKVv

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— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023

Another study found that peak NO2 emissions from gas stoves when using even the least effective ventilation fan was 15 ppb, considerably lower than the 100 ppb NAAQS for short-term exposure. https://t.co/FHrwozcOak

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— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023

Moreover, research shows that what you cook accounts for the vast majority of emissions.

For example, olive oil – one of the most common cooking ingredients – generates 17x more emissions than gas stoves.

6/xhttps://t.co/R5N4zfVlKC

— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023

So how is it that this alleged "growing body of research" is linking gas stoves to negative health impacts?

In addition to the studies cited above concluding the opposite, let's take a look at some of those recent studies that supposedly support those claims.

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— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023

Interestingly, when the UCLA team's data are compared to the correct metric, it shows emissions well below established health standards. See this review of the UCLA paper for more on that.

10/xhttps://t.co/2JwXX787Dm

— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023

In January 2022, researchers at Stanford published a study linking gas stoves not only to health hazards but also climate change. Here are the headlines that study generated.

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— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023

It should go without saying that an airtight kitchen encased in plastic sheets is not representative of any real-world kitchen that any of us actually use.

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— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023

Another study released in the summer of 2022 claimed a link between residential gas use (i.e. stoves) and potential health risks. Here are the headlines that generated.

16/xhttps://t.co/oHwQqJ5eVt pic.twitter.com/MkfPKfWEMQ

— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023

The presence of benzene or other substance doesn't necessarily mean you're at risk for contracting illnesses associated with that substance. There are varying levels of all sorts of things all around us.

That's why you have to determine what the actual exposure is.

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— Steve Everley (@saeverley) January 11, 2023