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Just like 98% of scientists believe in global warming, huh?

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Not like that at all. They put their money where their mouth is.

None. Riding with the natural immunity. I'm also at just about 0 risk as far as I know.

Curious. Why haven't you gotten any boosters since the data shows that the original shots have no efficacy against the current strains?

Not true.

You're not even discussing while Zobel gives you a free education. Just taking childish pot shots.

I had to in order to travel for work. The longer this goes on the less reason it seems to me there will be to get vaccinated for most people. most people will have had COVID one or more times, giving essentially the same benefit as vaccination each time. Shrug.

The originals have good efficacy against hospitalization and death still, just not for symptomatic illness. I'm not worried about either one. I had a really mild cast last year when my kids brought it home; that was my booster.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2791253

In this cohort study of 23.1 million Nordic residents aged 12 years or older, the risk of myocarditis was higher within 28 days of vaccination with both BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 compared with being unvaccinated, and higher after the second dose of vaccine than the first dose. The risk was more pronounced after the second dose of mRNA-1273 than after the second dose of BNT162b2, and the risk was highest among males aged 16 to 24 years.

from your link

Yes? And?

Reported AE's Zobel

I understand the table. I don't understand your point.

simple
the # of AEs vs total # of patients.

you wanted to debunk the 1 in 800.
I'm not seeing it.
maybe i'm missing something?

Where are you getting 1 in 800?

sources were provided

Ok, that's enough fun for me. Good talk.

indeed sir

The AEs were similar for vaccine vs placebo except for general fatigue and infection site soreness, which is expected and not serious.

Zobel is confused because you don't have a point or understand the chart you posted.

The damage we will see over the next 6-10 years will be sad, but it is what it is. Thankfully Asia and Europe will not be afraid to publish the data.

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sources provided here: link

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here is my point

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None. I'm an engineer. I like reading research papers.

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That explains the "looking through a straw".

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Not true.

You're not even discussing while Zobel gives you a free education. Just taking childish pot shots.

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I haven't taken any pot shots. All I did was ask questions.

What I said is absolutely true. The original Fauci juice has terrible efficacy against the current strains. Go troll somewhere else. You don't need to prove to us any further that you're a fool.

You got schooled so bad you resorted to "lol how many jabs" and "Fauci juice". You are the troll.

1 serious events per 800 vaccines… *so far* </homer simpson voice>

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You got schooled so bad you resorted to "lol how many jabs" and "Fauci juice". You are the troll.

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Show me where I got schooled. I don't know if I've ever said one word to him before that question. Maybe you should double check your posters before you start trying to claim whatever victory you think this is.

"LOL how much Fauci juice have you taken" after Zobel painstakingly and fairly explained complex trial data is a confession you got schooled.

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"LOL how much Fauci juice have you taken" after Zobel painstakingly and fairly explained complex trial data is a confession you got schooled.

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So you can't and you're just going to continue making an ass of yourself. Got it. Have a good night troll.

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Ok cool. I actually appreciate your perspective. I'm in medical device/regenerative medicine but I'm a businessman, so no scientific credentials either. I work with a lot of PhDs, tissue engineers, and PharmDs and they are all vehemently anti-Vax.

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That's odd. 96% of doctors are vaccinated.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19

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Pretending hospitals didn't mandate vaccinations to try and make your point is incredibly dishonest which isn't surprising from one of the resident trolls.

Dumb question I hope you or him take a moment to answer...if covid and the vax is everything you and zobel say it is, then explain allowing millions of third world illegals in without a care while simultaneously trying to mandate the vax on citizens. Explain the science(!) on that, please.

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Ok cool. I actually appreciate your perspective. I'm in medical device/regenerative medicine but I'm a businessman, so no scientific credentials either. I work with a lot of PhDs, tissue engineers, and PharmDs and they are all vehemently anti-Vax.

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That's odd. 96% of doctors are vaccinated.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19

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N=301 LMAO 96% Are you serious?

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Dumb question I hope you or him take a moment to answer...if covid and the vax is everything you and zobel say it is, then explain allowing millions of third world illegals in without a care while simultaneously trying to mandate the vax on citizens. Explain the science(!) on that, please.

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Why do they always disappear and refuse to respond to this simple question?

https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/lewisville-assistant-police-chief-dies/287-3017f9ab-ac97-490d-87c2-6404fde1d734

Died suddenly

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/coy-gibbs-dies-suddenly-at-age-49/105239122/

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"LOL how much Fauci juice have you taken" after Zobel painstakingly and fairly explained complex trial data is a confession you got schooled.

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No one got schooled by anyone about anything. This whole topic is so fraught by contradictory information that everyone just makes up their own minds about what does and doesn't pass the smell test and makes the best calls for themselves based on evaluation of calculated risks. Everyone has already made up their own minds and there's no swaying one another. I don't live in fear, am not persuaded by the alleged "benefits" of the Covid vax, and am not receptive to anyone telling me what I should and shouldn't do. My stance is buttressed by a death and near death in my own family, not by Covid, but by the Covid vax.

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a much higher quantity of "breakthrough" cases than you typically hear of for vaccines.
this is kind of hard to answer because i don't know what you typically hear about for vaccines. the covid shots are better than flu shots - those vary between 60% and 10% effective year to year.
reason for confidence: covid vaccines work better than flu vaccines (pretty dang low bar, to be honest - ha!)

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Yet we were told by Fauci, the president, and our MSM like Maddow that you were protected from contracting Covid after vaccination. You wouldn't contract it. You wouldn't spread it. At least you're now calling it a "shot" and comparing it to the flu shot. That took about two years for you to come around.

Politicians lie. Nevertheless it does provide protection against infection. Not perfect protection, and it wanes over time, and with variants.

It is a shot. It's also a vaccine. The flu shot is also a vaccine - look at that link from 2017. Like I said in my post.

Be careful. Mr Safe, Free, Effective will be here shortly to defend and justify the lies. He will move the goalposts all over the field.