Guyger:

Maximum Sentence Date: 2029-09-29

Current Facility: MOUNTAIN VIEW

Projected Release Date: 2029-09-29

Parole Eligibility Date: 2024-09-29

Oliver:

Maximum Sentence Date: 2033-08-10

Current Facility: RAMSEY I

Projected Release Date: 2033-08-10

Parole Eligibility Date: 2026-02-12

Does anyone know if the jury made an affirmative finding of a deadly weapon for the manslaughter conviction? If they did, he'll have to serve half of his sentence before being eligible for parole if he gets a prison sentence (if he's sentenced to four years or less, he'll have to serve two years before being eligible for parole).

Day Two sentence watch

Jury has already had lunch but in foreshadowing they have already asked for the dinner menu for today, according to Rebecca Lopez, reporter for WFAA.

Do you think at least one person on the jury wants to give him the maximum twenty years?

lethalninja said:

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Do you think at least one person on the jury wants to give him the maximum twenty years?

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Yes. But probably more than just one. Probably three or four. Despite what you see in movies, lone holdouts don't hold out forever when the jury is under sequester and sure as hell not when it is Christmas time.

Some jurors likely wanted to convict for murder but went for manslaughter expecting to impose the max.But other jurors might have been persuaded during the sentencing hearing that Dean is not a threat to the community, not a guy with a rap sheet, a "bad guy" etc.

I mean the state had to go back 18 years to when he was in college and made a ham-handed pass at a fellow 18 year old student and a couple of speeding tickets as the only evidence of his "bad character." And that female student was a real piece of work. As nuts as a can of Planter's.

Do you have a prediction on how long he'll get? Also, did the defense inform the jury that he could get up to eight hundred hours of community service if he gets probation?

lethalninja said:

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Do you have a prediction on how long he'll get?

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I'm not sure the jury has a set of instructions on sentencing with them. The obvious compromise would be ten years but that has other consequences in terms of probation or ability to obtain parole. If the propbation crowd actually do know that, they are pushing for less than that like four years, serve rwo.

I do think the foreman is on the side for the maximum though. Reason being there have been no notes from the jury saying they are at an impasse. If that makes sense to you.

The judge gave the jury instructions over sentencing that they can take into the deliberation room, but Texas doesn't have recommended sentencing guidelines like some other states do (some states would set out a recommended sentence for manslaughter, but Texas doesn't do that). The jury is aware of the amount of time he'll have to serve before being eligible for parole.

lethalninja said:

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The judge gave the jury instructions over sentencing that they can take into the deliberation room, but Texas doesn't have recommended sentencing guidelines like some other states do (some states would set out a recommended sentence for manslaughter, but Texas doesn't do that).

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I thought they had written instructions but wasn't sure.

And generally speaking, there is a sentencing report done by a state agency under such guidelines.

Our system is kind of screwy in that respect.

What sentence do you think he should get? I've read about the case, but I haven't seen the trial, so I can't really say how long I think he should get.

I think someone on the jury got bamboozled.

Some might have wanted acquittal but were promised a light sentence if they went along with manslaughter. Then everyone started calling for 20 years when they started deliberation.

lethalninja said:

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What sentence do you think he should get? I've read about the case, but I haven't seen the trial, so I can't really say how long I think he should get.

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Me? I think he was wrongfully convicted on a fundamental misunderstanding of the law. So probation for two years max.

Two years is the minimum amount of probation he can get (two to ten years probation).

lethalninja said:

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Two years is the minimum amount of probation he can get (two to ten years probation).

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Two years is also short enough where an appeal is less likely.

Do you think there will be a hung jury?

lethalninja said:

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Do you think there will be a hung jury?

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Certainly possible at this point. They have been deliberating over the sentencing longer than they did on conviction.

There was a compromise on the verdict and I think a few jurors now feel like they got burned on the deal, maybe. Fool me once...

But juries are fickle and you never know what their focus is on during deliberations.

I thought Dean should have been convicted of murder, but now that he got manslaughter I'm rooting for probation. If career criminals can get probation for manslaughter, then Dean should too.

There was a death penalty case in my town where the jury deliberated for 23 hours on whether the defendant should get life without parole or death (he ended up getting life, cause the jury couldn't unanimously reach a decision).

There are probably some career criminals that have gotten probation for manslaughter, but do you have any particular cases in mind? Speaking of which, there was a career criminal in my town who got sixty years for manslaughter (he had previously stabbed somebody, shot someone else, threatened someone else with a gun, punched his sister in the face, unlawfully carried a handgun and a sword, had a gun as a felon, had multiple convictions for drug possession with intent to distribute, committed theft, evading arrest, driving with a suspended license, etc.).

VERDICT at 2PM

Huge implications no matter the sentence.

We are back in the courtroom.

Branca on rumble

Here we go.

Jury coming in now.

11 years, 10 months

Eleven years ten months twelve days. No fine.

That is just flat out not enough

What do you think their reasoning is behind the ten months and twelve days? Usually, the sentence is a number of years.

Victim impact statements from the family now.

Amber Guyger and Roy Oliver got ten and fifteen years for murder, respectively.

I hope FWPD does no policing at all in the south division from here on out. Let them rape, pillage and burn each other. I wouldn't lift a finger to protect those people

lethalninja said:

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Amber Guyger and Roy Oliver got ten and fifteen years for murder, respectively.

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Those were in Dallas right? Heard a lawyer on the WFAA feed this morning said Dallas and those counties tend to judge cops pretty harshly whereas Tarrant County tends to be more favorable to law enorcement in his criminal practice.

So best Dean can hope for now is parole after six or so years.

Yeah, those were in Dallas. If the jury made an affirmative finding of a deadly weapon, he'll have to serve half of his sentence before being eligible for parole, so five years, eleven months and six days. Since he was sentenced to at least ten years in prison, he has to remain incarcerated during his appeal.

Attorney saying this judgment will avoid "a lot of things that could have happened "

So insurrection was planned

Anyway - I predict one month until we see news stories about people in south Fort Worth compliant that they are getting no policing.

wbt5845 said:

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Attorney saying this judgment will avoid "a lot of things that could have happened "

So insurrection was planned

Anyway - I predict one month until we see news stories about people in south Fort Worth compliant that they are getting no policing.

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Mob justice wins again. And the prosecutors kept harping on the jury's duty to "the community" to "send a message" blah, blah, blah.

Should be an objectionable argument. And one that a change of venue would have negated the immediacy of such an argument.