I work in downtown near the courthouse. News helicopters out and barricades up.

He was released on $200,000 bond the day of his arrest and has been in jail since his conviction on Thursday, so he has a week of jail credit towards his sentence.

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I work in downtown near the courthouse. News helicopters out and barricades up.

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Has that been common throughout this trial?

No. Just the day of the verdict and this afternoon.

GarryowenAg said:

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No. Just the day of the verdict and this afternoon.

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Thanks.

All goes back to venue. During the Chauvin trial, the Hennepin County Courthouse was emptied of all offices except on the one floor where the courtroom was located. Fences with concertina wire were erected around the courthouse and trenches dug. Looked like the Western Front during WWI. And the jury was not sequestered and saw that everyday coming and going to the courthouse. Has to intimidate the jury members.

Was the jury sequestered throughout this trial or just during deliberations?

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Was the jury sequestered throughout this trial or just during deliberations?

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Only during deliberations. Reason they ended court early on Friday and delayed beginning deliberations on the sentencing phase until yesterday.

Every burglary call, just roll up lights and sirens, sit in the car a few minutes, and leave

I guarantee in a couple of months, we'll see complaints about this very thing. No one gives a s***. No one at all.

Is this what you want? This is what you'll get.

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Every burglary call, just roll up lights and sirens, sit in the car a few minutes, and leave

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That will be the practical effect. Also the next time Ft. Worth PD requests applications for a new recruiting class, it will be the dregs of the dregs who apply, if anyone.

FWPD needs to change their general orders so they no longer treat open building calls like burglaries. Their policy was complicit in this.

You cannot shoot a homeowner from outside their house bc they are holding a gun inside their house. Dean should have been able to use critical thinking but he was incapable of doing so and Jefferson died bc of it.

Police continue to receive harsher sentences than career criminals.

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FWPD needs to change their general orders so they no longer treat open building calls like burglaries. Their policy was complicit in this.

You cannot shoot a homeowner from outside their house bc they are holding a gun inside their house. Dean should have been able to use critical thinking but he was incapable of doing so and Jefferson died bc of it.

Police continue to receive harsher sentences than career criminals.

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True. Cops are held to a higher standard but it still just a reasonable standard. Given the totality of the circumstances.

Here is the problem:

Jury was improperly told that one of them. decedent or Officer Dean was acting "unlawfully."

THAT IS NOT THE LAW.

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Bocephus said:

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FWPD needs to change their general orders so they no longer treat open building calls like burglaries. Their policy was complicit in this.

You cannot shoot a homeowner from outside their house bc they are holding a gun inside their house. Dean should have been able to use critical thinking but he was incapable of doing so and Jefferson died bc of it.

Police continue to receive harsher sentences than career criminals.

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True. Cops are held to a higher standard but it still just a reasonable standard. Given the totality of the circumstances.

Here is the problem:

Jury was improperly told that one of them. decedent or Officer Dean was acting "unlawfully."

THAT IS NOT THE LAW.

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I don't think the prosecutor can have it both ways. You can't say that he SHOULD HAVE followed procedure and established a perimeter then waited for a canine bc it was a burglary call, then argue that it is unreasonable to shoot the suspected burglar who had a gun.

Either he's a moron who should have considered that a homeowner might be in there (my argument) and he's guilty of murder, or he disobeyed some minor FWPD procedures, (which are never followed in real life bc of manpower issues) and he acted lawfully. Someone needs to explain to me how Dean is more of s threat to the public than the gangbangers who get probation for being drive-by shootings.

Sec. 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual.

(c) A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

For those of you wondering the legal definition of manslaughter in Texas

lethalninja said:

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Sec. 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual.

(c) A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

For those of you wondering the legal definition of manslaughter in Texas

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So which reckless act did Dean commit?

I was just posting the definition. I don't think he committed a reckless act.

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lethalninja said:

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Sec. 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual.

(c) A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

For those of you wondering the legal definition of manslaughter in Texas

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So which reckless act did Dean commit?

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Yep, it was intentional unless they're going to argue that shooting without knowing your target is reckless. That would fit if he shot abs killed someone in the room behind Jefferson.

(d) Culpable mental states are classified according to relative degrees, from highest to lowest, as follows:

(1) intentional;

(2) knowing;

(3) reckless;

(4) criminal negligence.

(e) Proof of a higher degree of culpability than that charged constitutes proof of the culpability charged.

They could have believed it was intentional, but still convicted him of manslaughter, because they thought a murder conviction was too harsh

https://www.kagstv.com/article/news/crime/aaron-dean-transferred-to-tdcj-facility-in-huntsville-after-sentenced-in-atatiana-jeffersons-death/287-122d53b6-2079-4766-b2b4-3d7031a6a8e9

The article lists his parole eligibility date. He's already filed a notice to the court stating he intends to appeal

Maximum Sentence Date: 2034-10-25

Current Facility: RAMSEY I

Projected Release Date: 2034-10-25

Parole Eligibility Date: 2028-11-18

It's ironic that there's a prison unit named Ramsey, when Gordon Ramsay is known for having delicious food and food from the prison menu probably tastes decent at best

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https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article270864087.html

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Sorry for the double post. For those interested:

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Judge grants Aaron Dean defense motion to investigate possible jury misconduct



In a motion filed with the trial court and approved by the judge on Thursday, lawyers for Dean say they found a social media post claiming to be written by one of the jurors, which solicited opinions and information during the course of the trial. A copy of the post was given to the court while the jury was in deliberation during the punishment phase of the case.

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If he gets a new trial, they should hire Branca and probably attorney Steve Gosney. Or at least watch their online commentaries to see where they went wrong the first time.

Someone posted on Reddit and pretended to be a juror from Darrell Brooks's trial, so this might be similar to that.

Could be.

Jurors did not state a reason for the specific length of the sentence they gave Dean, but attorneys and others who observed the trial thought the 10 months and 12 days likely were tied to the date of the shooting (October 12th).

Dean's attorneys wrote in their motion that they also want "to investigate whether the jurors arrived at their unusual verdict by numerical multiplication and/ or division rather than a full, fair and free exercise of the individual opinions of the jurors."

Would that be GROUNDZ (Darrell Brooks flashback) for an appeal?

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Dean's attorneys wrote in their motion that they also want "to investigate whether the jurors arrived at their unusual verdict by numerical multiplication and/ or division rather than a full, fair and free exercise of the individual opinions of the jurors."

Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article270864087.html#storylink=cpy

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Hey m'am - thoughts on the new developments?

Yeah, if some of the jurors said they didn't agree with the sentence, but they voted for it because some of the other jurors wanted it.

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Hey m'am - thoughts on the new developments?

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Always thought it was a compromise verdict with the second degree manslaughter charge and it was very possible that sentencing was a part of that.

The jury was falsely led to believe that they had believe the deceased did something illegal to acquit Dean. That was a gross misstatement of the law but unfortunately one which defense counsel did not catch and object to contemporaneously. Possibly moot issue on appeal for non-preservation of the error.

But jury misconduct is a second bite at the apple and may result in a new trial so an appeal would be moot in that event. BTW it is fairly rare for jury misconduct to even be investigated much less be the reason for a new trial but it does happen. Our system considers juries to be near sancrosanct in terms of a court influencing their deliberations.

So stay tuned.

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It's ironic that there's a prison unit named Ramsey, when Gordon Ramsay is known for having delicious food and food from the prison menu probably tastes decent at best

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WTH???

He's in the Ramsey Unit, which I mentioned in the same post (along with his parole eligibility date and maximum release date), so that's why I commented that. I know the prison doesn't have to do with Gordon Ramsay, but the name is similar.