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people keep attacking his beliefs on government structure rather than debating the topic.

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His original topic was about banning ALL porn.

He then shifted the goalposts to children when he was getting hammered.

Two different topics. Pick one.

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I'll add you to the TXAGFAN, ActuallyTalkingThermos list of people who I need to have disagree with me. Children are the future, and they are under attack by the left. The family is and has always been the bulkwark against leftism, so it is no surprise that children are under attack.

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people keep attacking his beliefs on government structure rather than debating the topic.

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His original topic was about banning ALL porn.

He then shifted the goalposts to children when he was getting hammered.

Two different topics. Pick one.

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His OP is specifically addressing the porn issue among children. His title says he wants to criminalize. One can respond (as others and myself have done) by saying maybe not criminalizing but definitely need to make it harder for kids to access it. That's how people can bounce ideas off of each other and reach a sound resolution.

Instead, most everyone else has just screamed "authoritarianism" rather than adding any thoughts at all.

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OP is not cryptic. He is what I call a "Vatican I Catholic" (not meant pejoratively, just a descriptor) Unabashedly in favor of the stricter approach more typical of a Pius IX or Pius II than people are used to. The authoritarian is a part of that -- - mind, it is not totalitarian, but it is autocratic in tone. The kind that feels if you give serious sin an inch it will take 1000 miles. Also a believer in the Paul VI warning about the sexual revolution/pill.

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The sexual revolution was absolutely a government psy-op fomented by the Marxsists to destabilize our society. All of the communists that McCarthy warned us about were absolutely entrenched and doing exactly what he said they were doing.

Please read this article and let me know your thoughts, its long but good.

https://unherd.com/2022/12/the-politics-of-masturbation/

Old McDonald said:

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I consider myself moderately read with a better than dumb vocabulary. When I have to google a word you've jumped the Dawson's Creek shark. When I google and find out its a leftist internet stark against catholics, then I just flag for the ad hom.

tradcaths is intended as derogatory. No better than calling someone a groomer. Do better.

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I'm not for kids having access to porn - Don't be obtuse and make **** up.

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I'm not being obtuse nor making stuff up about you. I simply rerouted the conversation to the topic at hand.

You and I are in agreement that children having porn is bad. You agree with the OP on that in fact. OP believes porn should be criminalized. I believe there are practical steps that can be taken to reduce porn's footprint and accessibility on the internet without an outright ban. Do you have any thoughts to share along those lines rather than commenting on his claim that catholic couples have lots of sex or his thoughts on governmental structures?

So, when do we get the "Criminalize Fapping" thread?

Silian Rail said:

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Old McDonald said:

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CDUB98 said:

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people keep attacking his beliefs on government structure rather than debating the topic.

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His original topic was about banning ALL porn.

He then shifted the goalposts to children when he was getting hammered.

Two different topics. Pick one.

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I'll add you to the TXAGFAN, ActuallyTalkingThermos list of people who I need to have disagree with me. Children are the future, and they are under attack by the left. The family is and has always been the bulkwark against leftism, so it is no surprise that children are under attack.

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Im not attacking children (what a BS comment, one I can't get away with) or family (my family doesn't impact yours by the way). More lies…

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"Sexual choking" is a turn on for tons of women and doesn't actually involve choking 99% of the time. It's just doing the "hand necklace," maybe a tiny bit of pressure on the sides. No restriction of the airway. If someone is already consensually having sex with you I think it's generally fine to put your hands various places and see what gets positive feedback.

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Unbelievable

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Actually, it's quite believable that a resident leftist would be all in favor of any kind of sexual perversion.

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Putting pressure on the sides is how you asphyxiate a person.

Silian Rail said:

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OP is not cryptic. He is what I call a "Vatican I Catholic" (not meant pejoratively, just a descriptor) Unabashedly in favor of the stricter approach more typical of a Pius IX or Pius II than people are used to. The authoritarian is a part of that -- - mind, it is not totalitarian, but it is autocratic in tone. The kind that feels if you give serious sin an inch it will take 1000 miles. Also a believer in the Paul VI warning about the sexual revolution/pill.

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The sexual revolution was absolutely a government psy-op fomented by the Marxsists to destabilize our society. All of the communists that McCarthy warned us about were absolutely entrenched and doing exactly what he said they were doing.

Please read this article and let me know your thoughts, its long but good.

https://unherd.com/2022/12/the-politics-of-masturbation/

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This article is fantastic and is an absolute must read for anyone interested in the topics at hand.

It is linked in this Twitter thread which is very interesting as well:

A lot has been invested in making us into coomers. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/nHZTJB7yqH

— The Chivalry Guild (@ChivalryGuild) December 12, 2022

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I'll add you to the TXAGFAN, ActuallyTalkingThermos list of people who I need to have disagree with me. Children are the future, and they are under attack by the left. The family is and has always been the bulkwark against leftism, so it is no surprise that children are under attack.

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Im not attacking children. More lies…

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Support you on this one. You may be a single issue type poster and I enjoy pointing that out, but I have never seen you attack or condone attacking children.

But... you may want to consider how you approach issues that would allow someone to reach that conclusion.

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Old McDonald said:

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I consider myself moderately read with a better than dumb vocabulary. When I have to google a word you've jumped the Dawson's Creek shark. When I google and find out its a leftist internet stark against catholics, then I just flag for the ad hom.

tradcaths is intended as derogatory. No better than calling someone a groomer. Do better.

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Hahah -- it may be snarky, but its kind of like being called a Nationalist. There are many that don't consider it a negative. "Tradcaths" is probably one of those. I admire a great deal about them -- or as term them `Vatican I' Catholics. (Note-- above that keyed wrong--that is meant to be Pope Pius XI, and should have used the Roman numeral)

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The govt doesn't have the power to "ban porn", or should they. Parent your children, teach them morals and quit wanting the nanny state to nanny them.

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This is absolutely not true.

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fka ftc said:

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Old McDonald said:

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I consider myself moderately read with a better than dumb vocabulary. When I have to google a word you've jumped the Dawson's Creek shark. When I google and find out its a leftist internet stark against catholics, then I just flag for the ad hom.

tradcaths is intended as derogatory. No better than calling someone a groomer. Do better.

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Hahah -- it may be snarky, but its kind of like being called a Nationalist. There are many that don't consider it a negative. "Tradcaths" is probably one of those. I admire a great deal about them -- or as term them `Vatican I' Catholics. (Note-- above that keyed wrong--that is meant to be Pope Pius XI, and should have used the Roman numeral)

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Quite true. I don't find the term offensive in and of itself. Just an abbreviation for Traditional Catholic.

titan

Certain derails on this thread brought up this memory. I grew up on a small ranch next to a larger one owned by a big Irish Catholic family. My dad and I were helping the dad with something one day and he mentioned his wife was pregnant again. They were in their early 40's and this was kiddo #10.

So I hear my dad jokes "you know Tim, if it helps, I can explain to you why this keeps happening" and he responded "if I didn't know why this keeps happening I'd have 25".

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The govt doesn't have the power to "ban porn", or should they. Parent your children, teach them morals and quit wanting the nanny state to nanny them.

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I don't disagree with this. I was very proactive in teaching my kids about it in phases as they grew up.

As early as 5th grade they could repeat a 5-6 distinct reasonings to avoid it and the negative affects of can have (spirituality is only one).

One of the others which had a big impact is teaching them the impact "demand" has on "supply", and how supply drive the increase in human trafficking. The majority of the women in porn are to different degrees victims of abuse.

But by all means, let's have more dudes come here to defend it.

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titan

Certain derails on this thread brought up this memory. I grew up on a small ranch next to a larger one owned by a big Irish Catholic family. My dad and I were helping the dad with something one day and he mentioned his wife was pregnant again. They were in their early 40's and this was kiddo #10.

So I hear my dad jokes "you know Tim, if it helps, I can explain to you why this keeps happening" and he responded "if I didn't know why this keeps happening I'd have 25".

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Urban,

Hahaha. That's really good!!

these threads are always full of wankers

Silian Rail said:

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titan said:

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OP is not cryptic. He is what I call a "Vatican I Catholic" (not meant pejoratively, just a descriptor) Unabashedly in favor of the stricter approach more typical of a Pius IX or Pius II than people are used to. The authoritarian is a part of that -- - mind, it is not totalitarian, but it is autocratic in tone. The kind that feels if you give serious sin an inch it will take 1000 miles. Also a believer in the Paul VI warning about the sexual revolution/pill.

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The sexual revolution was absolutely a government psy-op fomented by the Marxsists to destabilize our society. All of the communists that McCarthy warned us about were absolutely entrenched and doing exactly what he said they were doing.

Please read this article and let me know your thoughts, its long but good.

https://unherd.com/2022/12/the-politics-of-masturbation/

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Judging by other posts after, it is good. I don't mind long, not in the least, but it requires good time to process. I will definitely check it out after today's errands.

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Old McDonald said:

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I consider myself moderately read with a better than dumb vocabulary. When I have to google a word you've jumped the Dawson's Creek shark. When I google and find out its a leftist internet stark against catholics, then I just flag for the ad hom.

tradcaths is intended as derogatory. No better than calling someone a groomer. Do better.

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it's internet shorthand for "traditional catholic," or at least this version of it. i doubt op would take offense to being called that.

Old McDonald said:

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fka ftc said:

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Old McDonald said:

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I consider myself moderately read with a better than dumb vocabulary. When I have to google a word you've jumped the Dawson's Creek shark. When I google and find out its a leftist internet stark against catholics, then I just flag for the ad hom.

tradcaths is intended as derogatory. No better than calling someone a groomer. Do better.

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it's internet shorthand for "traditional catholic," or at least this version of it. i doubt op would take offense to being called that.

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I don't take offense, but it is not accurate. Many of my more traditional friends would laugh at hearing me described as a tradcath; due to somewhat dissenting opinions I have regarding the Novus Ordo mass and natural family planning.

Porn is simply another attempt to normalize deviant behavior. It's terribly hurtful to women. How any man with a daughter or a sister can watch porn and think it's anything other than misleading and damaging to women amazes me. It's not any different than transgender grooming and education of our children.

Silian Rail said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Old McDonald said:

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I consider myself moderately read with a better than dumb vocabulary. When I have to google a word you've jumped the Dawson's Creek shark. When I google and find out its a leftist internet stark against catholics, then I just flag for the ad hom.

tradcaths is intended as derogatory. No better than calling someone a groomer. Do better.

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it's internet shorthand for "traditional catholic," or at least this version of it. i doubt op would take offense to being called that.

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I don't take offense, but it is not accurate. Many of my more traditional friends would laugh at hearing me described as a tradcath; due to somewhat dissenting opinions I have regarding the Novus Ordo mass and natural family planning.

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Thats terrifying.

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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Does the name Jerry Falwell jr and his wife ring a bell? They were simultaneously the biggest sexual freaks and hypocrites on the planet.

Silian Rail said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Old McDonald said:

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this is a common rhetorical refrain from the new right/tradcaths when advocating their unpopular social positions, when things go wrong retreat to "think of the children"

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I consider myself moderately read with a better than dumb vocabulary. When I have to google a word you've jumped the Dawson's Creek shark. When I google and find out its a leftist internet stark against catholics, then I just flag for the ad hom.

tradcaths is intended as derogatory. No better than calling someone a groomer. Do better.

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it's internet shorthand for "traditional catholic," or at least this version of it. i doubt op would take offense to being called that.

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I don't take offense, but it is not accurate. Many of my more traditional friends would laugh at hearing me described as a tradcath; due to somewhat dissenting opinions I have regarding the Novus Ordo mass and natural family planning.

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I did have myself a sensible chuckle, not going to lie.

From the posts in this thread, I'm reading that this is the fault of public schools (and, of course, the evil democrats), but not very much personal responsibility. It's great to know there are no Republican deviants.

For those thinking sending their kids to Christian schools will keep their snowflakes safe, well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

My buddy got into drugs in Plano ISD back in the 80s. His parents enrolled him at Jesuit in Dallas. He met a lot of wealthy druggies there. But, please send your kids to Christian schools.

BigRobSA said:

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The govt doesn't have the power to "ban porn", or should they. Parent your children, teach them morals and quit wanting the nanny state to nanny them.

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This. There are many things that children should be taught by parents, and this is one of them. Plus, not so sure how good a job the government, the nanny state, would do. They fail at most everything.

Wrestling needs to be criminalized as kids are doing the Iron Claw and the Chris Adam's super kick

Reed McDonald 92 said:

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From the posts in this thread, I'm reading that this is the fault of public schools (and, of course, the evil democrats), but not very much personal responsibility. It's great to know there are no Republican deviants.

For those thinking sending their kids to Christian schools will keep their snowflakes safe, well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

My buddy got into drugs in Plano ISD back in the 80s. His parents enrolled him at Jesuit in Dallas. He met a lot of wealthy druggies there. But, please send your kids to Christian schools.

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Of course private religious school isn't going to do the job of a parent, but if you can out your child in a place with children of like minded parents instead of just let the chips fall where they may with public schools, why would you not do the former? Nothing beats being an involved parent, obviously.

Reed McDonald 92 said:

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From the posts in this thread, I'm reading that this is the fault of public schools (and, of course, the evil democrats), but not very much personal responsibility. It's great to know there are no Republican deviants.

For those thinking sending their kids to Christian schools will keep their snowflakes safe, well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

My buddy got into drugs in Plano ISD back in the 80s. His parents enrolled him at Jesuit in Dallas. He met a lot of wealthy druggies there. But, please send your kids to Christian schools.

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"Picking a side" absolutely isn't enough. There will always be wolves in sheep clothing.

The only solution is better direct parenting. Nothing new.

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Porn is simply another attempt to normalize deviant behavior. It's terribly hurtful to women. How any man with a daughter or a sister can watch porn and think it's anything other than misleading and damaging to women amazes me. It's not any different than transgender grooming and education of our children.

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It is actually very different.

Because porn by law has to be filmed between consenting adults.

Also the difference between the number of men and the number of women who watch porn is closing fast.

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people keep attacking his beliefs on government structure rather than debating the topic.

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His original topic was about banning ALL porn.

He then shifted the goalposts to children when he was getting hammered.

Two different topics. Pick one.

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His OP is specifically addressing the porn issue among children. His title says he wants to criminalize. One can respond (as others and myself have done) by saying maybe not criminalizing but definitely need to make it harder for kids to access it. That's how people can bounce ideas off of each other and reach a sound resolution.

Instead, most everyone else has just screamed "authoritarianism" rather than adding any thoughts at all.

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Adults who willfully or negligently allow children access to drugs, guns, and other items that may otherwise be legal but harmful are held to account. We should do the same thing with porn. Prosecute those who distribute or fail to secure the porn from minors and children.

If you haven't been yelled "choke me" or "pull my hair", you ain't livin.

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The Banned said:

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CDUB98 said:

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people keep attacking his beliefs on government structure rather than debating the topic.

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His original topic was about banning ALL porn.

He then shifted the goalposts to children when he was getting hammered.

Two different topics. Pick one.

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His OP is specifically addressing the porn issue among children. His title says he wants to criminalize. One can respond (as others and myself have done) by saying maybe not criminalizing but definitely need to make it harder for kids to access it. That's how people can bounce ideas off of each other and reach a sound resolution.

Instead, most everyone else has just screamed "authoritarianism" rather than adding any thoughts at all.

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Adults who willfully or negligently allow children access to drugs, guns, and other items that may otherwise be legal but harmful are held to account. We should do the same thing with porn. Prosecute those who distribute or fail to secure the porn from minors and children.

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Thank you. Same thing we did with tobacco marketing to children. PornHub may not be marketing on Nickelodeon, but it's so damn easy for kids to deep dive into whatever the hell they want to see that they may as well. Negligence is being too kind by several degrees, but it's the best word to describe it.

And I will repeat for the 3rd or 4th time for all the parents out there waving this off: if you think you have your child's device sufficiently locked down, you're wrong.

Uh..I don't want to live in Qatar or Saudi Arabia.

Don't tread on me, bro

It's destructive for a lot of people. But so are a lot of things and we are free (and should be free) to do them