Like 2016, he'd get my vote in the general if it comes to that. But also like 16, no way is he getting my vote in the primary. Trump being the candidate in 24 is a sure loss and even if by some miracle he won, he's gonna basically be quagmired. His staff and cabinet will be a **** show of buffoons. Nothing meaningful will get done

Picking candidates that actually live in the State helps too.

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Don't give me the GA cheating crap when Kemp won by 300k votes. It's disingenuous and beneath you rocky.

Walker was a **** candidate

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Agree, but so was Warnock.

Kemp wasn't the prize for the democrats, who also ran a **** candidate in Abrams. The senate seat was the prize to maintain and secure control of that body. Georgia has always been red. What changed? Rigged elections.

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I don't believe the elections here are rigged. I'm a moderate who leans R. I voted for Kemp but didn't vote for Walker. I don't think he can chew gum and tie his shoes at the same time. Was Warnock great - no but he could finish a complete sentence.

If Republicans want to win elections- distance yourself from all things Trump and election deniers. I won't vote anyone associated with him or if they campaign on stolen elections. Election reform is fine but if they go all out on stolen or rigged then they have lost my vote.

I am not posting this for a massive blow up but I know a ton of voters like myself who are more in the middle for us the issues I mentioned previously are big red flags for a candidate.

Warnock should have easily been defeated here if a decent candidate was proposed on the other side.

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I don't blame Trump for the UGA race. Walker was the overwhelming choice of GA republicans in the primary.

Trump is to blame for picking Oz in PA.

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There are no more die hard Never trumpers than me and even I can't totally blame him for Georgia. Maybe he did help pick Walker but he did stay away from Georgia (and you know that hurt his feelings that they didn't want him there) and that should and maybe did help Herschel. Kemp is an extremely popular Governor in Georgia and he helped with the Walker campaign. So, it's not all on trump, imo.

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Don't give me the GA cheating crap when Kemp won by 300k votes. It's disingenuous and beneath you rocky.

Walker was a **** candidate

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Agree, but so was Warnock.

Kemp wasn't the prize for the democrats, who also ran a **** candidate in Abrams. The senate seat was the prize to maintain and secure control of that body. Georgia has always been red. What changed? Rigged elections.

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I don't believe the elections here are rigged. I'm a moderate who leans R. I voted for Kemp but didn't vote for Walker. I don't think he can chew gum and tie his shoes at the same time. Was Warnock great - no but he could finish a complete sentence.

If Republicans want to win elections- distance yourself from all things Trump and election deniers. I won't vote anyone associated with him or if they campaign on stolen elections. Election reform is fine but if they go all out on stolen or rigged then they have lost my vote.

I am not posting this for a massive blow up but I know a ton of voters like myself who are more in the middle for us the issues I mentioned previously are big red flags for a candidate.

Warnock should have easily been defeated here if a decent candidate was proposed on the other side.

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Don't give me the GA cheating crap when Kemp won by 300k votes. It's disingenuous and beneath you rocky.

Walker was a **** candidate

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Was Walker a ****ty candidate? Yes. Were there some other ****ty candidates? Yup. But let's not pretend Warnock is some great campaigner. Trump is a problem. He's also significantly better for the rank and file than McConnell. If you don't think that plenty of people in DC would rather have this EXACT outcome whereby they can extract maximum money from donors and rent seekers in the House while giving up the Senate and having no responsibility for really checking Biden and the Democrats and breaking Trump, well you're not paying attention.

It is very clear from where and when McConnell placed and removed money that this is his preferred outcome. Same can be said for very large portions of the establishment (consultants, politicians, staffers, lobbyists, etc.). Yeah you can investigate Hunter and throw some red meat to your base and do all the same things they've been doing like ignoring the border, building their own nest eggs and continuing with the status quo. If you don't think the VAST majority of the people in DC "representing us" aren't more culturally aligned with the left again tell me you've never lived in DC without telling me you've never lived in DC.

It's a swamp for a reason and the lifestyle and self-importance that that town will bring to people is a GD Siren song. Not everyone, no matter how much they want to think of themselves as such, is Odysseus. Having been there and knowing a lot of people who were there I've seen it happen. To good people. It's a shame but it's true.

The reason I'd vote for a Texit isn't because of some sense of national destiny or glory, it's because DC is now trapped in a death spiral and it will take a Herculean effort to clean out those stables. I would love to believe Desantis is capable of that, but I don't know that'd he'd be able to bring enough support to get it done. And he's only there for so long. The establishment around DC will outlast him. Someone around 2040 is going to get left holding the bag that is our entitlement system. I don't think we will survive that crisis without a real sense of national identity and we're losing that rapidly. I can tell you I feel far less connected to the America of today than I did 10 or 20 years ago. The America that we've been in the past, yes. The America today, no I'm sorry I just don't have that same connection. A stranger in a strange land almost. I'm not alone in that I suspect.

I agree with the OP. The Republicans lost all 4 winnable Senate races in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia because these state GOP parties and primary GOP voters nominated the wrong candidates. These Donald Trump endorsed candidates turned off independent voters. I hope the primary GOP voters nominate a much more electable candidate than former President Donald Trump for 2024. Otherwise, President Joe Biden will defeat Trump again.

The Republicans had no ground game. That's it plain and simple. Either they start playing the ballot harvesting game and pushing the edges of the law like the Dems or its always gonna be game over like this.

Blaming Trump is weak sauce.

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Don't give me the GA cheating crap when Kemp won by 300k votes. It's disingenuous and beneath you rocky.

Walker was a **** candidate

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Agree, but so was Warnock.

Kemp wasn't the prize for the democrats, who also ran a **** candidate in Abrams. The senate seat was the prize to maintain and secure control of that body. Georgia has always been red. What changed? Rigged elections.

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If Republicans want to win elections- distance yourself from all things Trump and election deniers. I won't vote anyone associated with him or if they campaign on stolen elections. Election reform is fine but if they go all out on stolen or rigged then they have lost my vote.

I am not posting this for a massive blow up but I know a ton of voters like myself who are more in the middle for us the issues I mentioned previously are big red flags for a candidate.

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The very definition of a CM and unfortunately Republican Party is full of them. Dems do not suffer here at all, vote for the party at all costs.

Well, the only red flags you should be concerned about is the communist one that will continue to grow in this country. You saved yourself the grief of violating your high standards, but you do bear responsibility for the continued slide this country will experience.

You did exactly what the Dems wanted you to do, you were very useful to them and their ability to maintain power.

Republicans in Georgia are just stupid. Lazy and no ground game. The governor was too late helping. Incredible the damage this will cause the country.

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I don't blame Trump for the UGA race. Walker was the overwhelming choice of GA republicans in the primary.

Trump is to blame for picking Oz in PA.

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There are no more die hard Never trumpers than me and even I can't totally blame him for Georgia. Maybe he did help pick Walker but he did stay away from Georgia (and you know that hurt his feelings that they didn't want him there) and that should and maybe did help Herschel. Kemp is an extremely popular Governor in Georgia and he helped with the Walker campaign. So, it's not all on trump, imo.

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Walker may have never run if Trump hadn't ask him to. Other Republicans were ready to jump in the race before they found out they had to run against Trump's handpicked guy. I don't blame them. You are asking to get publicly trashed by Trump and made a pariah to his die hard supporters.

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Abrams was horrible, but if cheating was going to be done, why wouldn't they also cheat to get Abrams elected and not keep Kemp around for another term?

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I dunno. Maybe it doesn't matter to the dems. Kemp was governor when the two seats came up in 2020, people suspected tampering to win both seats, and Kemp did nothing to investigate or stop it. Winning the senate seats has more value to the democrats when you have a governor with weak knees on the other side.

Like I said, I dunno. I don't live in Georgia.

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so you don't actually live in Georgia, but you are 100% certain that the only reason Walker lost is because of "cheating".

Not because Walker had illegitimate kids, was accused of domestic violence by exes, is not extremely verbose or well spoken, and was backed by despised Trump who already had lost in Georgia and cost us two other Senate seats in 2020.

without actually providing any evidence of the democrats "cheating"

when every other Republican won their elections in Georgia.

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Just remember that every candidate Trump supported in toss-up Senate races lost. EVERY ONE OF THEM!!

The man has gone off the deep end and is toxic to any chance of conservatives ever holding a true majority again. I'm saying this as someone that voted for him.

It's time to ditch his narcissistic ass!

DeSantis '24

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I am not in favor of circular firing squads.

And I am reluctant to agree with rabid leftists on ANYTHING.

I don't blame Trump for Senate losses. I blame election fraud in blue strongholds. And I stand by this.

But why should I care when 1/4 of the GOP Senate members vote to push through more protections for sodomy while McConnell deliberately sabotaged Walker, Laxalt, and Masters campaigns?

Secede.

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They aren't rigged, the Dems have a very good urban ballot harvesting machine set up in and around Atlanta. They can go right back to it every election cycle. The Republicans need to get off their lazy asses and match it where they have better numbers and they can bring in more ballots next time. It is really that simple.

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Much harder for Republicans to do.

In Atlanta, all they have to do is send some of the local activists/pastors to all of the projects and they will instantly have tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of 100% Democrat votes. Same is true in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee. They also use the same strategy in Las Vegas with the SEIU and in parts of Arizona, but adjusted for a different demographic.

Republicans have to go door to door because their voters don't live in high density inner city public housing.

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So it is not worth the effort to have rural pastors and moms do the same thing?

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"Hey Pa did you order one hundred mail in ballots pre-filled for the republican candidates? What are you talking about Ma?"

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Then keep whining about losing when the party cannot rally people to an effort to win.

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I don't blame Trump for the UGA race. Walker was the overwhelming choice of GA republicans in the primary.

Trump is to blame for picking Oz in PA.

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There are no more die hard Never trumpers than me and even I can't totally blame him for Georgia. Maybe he did help pick Walker but he did stay away from Georgia (and you know that hurt his feelings that they didn't want him there) and that should and maybe did help Herschel. Kemp is an extremely popular Governor in Georgia and he helped with the Walker campaign. So, it's not all on trump, imo.

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Walker may have never run if Trump hadn't ask him to. Other Republicans were ready to jump in the race before they found out they had to run against Trump's handpicked guy. I don't blame them. You are asking to get publicly trashed by Trump and made a pariah to his die hard supporters.

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Was Walker a ****ty candidate? Yes. Were there some other ****ty candidates? Yup. But let's not pretend Warnock is some great campaigner. Trump is a problem. He's also significantly better for the rank and file than McConnell. If you don't think that plenty of people in DC would rather have this EXACT outcome whereby they can extract maximum money from donors and rent seekers in the House while giving up the Senate and having no responsibility for really checking Biden and the Democrats and breaking Trump, well you're not paying attention.

It is very clear from where and when McConnell placed and removed money that this is his preferred outcome. Same can be said for very large portions of the base. Yeah you can investigate Hunter and throw some red meat to your base and do all the same things they've been doing like ignoring the border, building their own nest eggs and continuing with the status quo. If you don't think the VAST majority of the people in DC "representing us" aren't more culturally aligned with the left again tell me you've never lived in DC without telling me you've never lived in DC.

It's a swamp for a reason and the lifestyle and self-importance that that town will bring to people is a GD Siren song. Not everyone, no matter how much they want to think of themselves as such, is Odysseus. Having been there and knowing a lot of people who were there I've seen it happen. To good people. It's a shame but it's true.

The reason I'd vote for a Texit isn't because of some sense of national destiny or glory, it's because DC is now trapped in a death spiral and it will take a Herculean effort to clean out those stables. I would love to believe Desantis is capable of that, but I don't know that'd he'd be able to bring enough support to get it done. And he's only there for so long. The establishment around DC will outlast him. Someone around 2040 is going to get left holding the bag that is our entitlement system. I don't think we will survive that crisis without a real sense of national identity and we're losing that rapidly. I can tell you I feel far less connected to the America of today than I did 10 or 20 years ago. The America that we've been in the past, yes. The America today, no I'm sorry I just don't have that same connection. A stranger in a strange land almost. I'm not alone in that I suspect.

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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An effing community organizer was made President of the United States. But Lake was not a "good candidate" because she was a reporter.

The propaganda machine will convince lots of people that the candidate who threatens their power is not perfect. And lots of people just lap it up.

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This it only goes one way for CM like Loyldy Crowder

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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An effing community organizer was made President of the United States. But Lake was not a "good candidate" because she was a reporter.

The propaganda machine will convince lots of people that the candidate who threatens their power is not perfect. And lots of people just lap it up.

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This it only goes one way for CM like Loyldy Crowder

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I'll copy and paste my response since you can't read:

Obama was not qualified to be president. But he was a Harvard Law grad, state senator for 7 years, attorney, college professor and US Senator. And his biggest criticism in 2008 was that he needed a lot more experience.

Lake got a communication degree from Iowa and spent the last 25 years reporting on the Phoenix Annual Chili Cookoff. Yet people like you are now pushing her as a VP candidate. Blows my mind.

Is this your 4th or 5th sock account?

Dems harvest ballots from dementia riddled elderly and it's called "getting out the vote".

R candidate has temporary address used to register for voting and its "election fraud, throw the book at them, we must have secure elections".

This process is repeated over and over. The 1st amendment provides for freedom of the press and the right to petition the guy it on grievances. The dems have disregarded those parts of the first amendment as well.

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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An effing community organizer was made President of the United States. But Lake was not a "good candidate" because she was a reporter.

The propaganda machine will convince lots of people that the candidate who threatens their power is not perfect. And lots of people just lap it up.

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Obama was not qualified to be president. But he was a Harvard Law grad, state senator for 7 years, attorney, college professor and US Senator. And his biggest criticism in 2008 was that he needed a lot more experience.

Lake got a communication degree from Iowa and spent the last 25 years reporting on the Phoenix Annual Chili Cookoff. Yet people like you are now pushing her as a VP candidate. Blows my mind.

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She wasn't running for President...Katie Hobbs has a degree from **** town univ in Social Work and is now Gov of a high profile state....SMH this post is stupid

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The Republicans had no ground game. That's it plain and simple. Either they start playing the ballot harvesting game and pushing the edges of the law like the Dems or its always gonna be game over like this.

Blaming Trump is weak sauce.

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They need to start listening to fellow Republicans in CA and NY that have learned to play the game and make up ground in those deep blue states. You're not going to beat the corruption in states like PA, MI, GA, and AZ without it.

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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An effing community organizer was elected President of the United States. But Lake was not a "good candidate" because she was riding Trump's coattails.

The propaganda machine will convince lots of people that the candidate who threatens their power is not perfect. And lots of people just lap it up.

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FIFY

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Abrams was horrible, but if cheating was going to be done, why wouldn't they also cheat to get Abrams elected and not keep Kemp around for another term?

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I dunno. Maybe it doesn't matter to the dems. Kemp was governor when the two seats came up in 2020, people suspected tampering to win both seats, and Kemp did nothing to investigate or stop it. Winning the senate seats has more value to the democrats when you have a governor with weak knees on the other side.

Like I said, I dunno. I don't live in Georgia.

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so you don't actually live in Georgia, but you are 100% certain that the only reason Walker lost is because of "cheating".

Not because Walker had illegitimate kids, was accused of domestic violence by exes, is not extremely verbose or well spoken, and was backed by despised Trump who already had lost in Georgia and cost us two other Senate seats in 2020.

without actually providing any evidence of the democrats "cheating"

when every other Republican won their elections in Georgia.

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You make a good point, because, based on what is posted here, you'd think not a single republican won anything in Georgia.

Yep, it's sad. He enjoyed the attention and coulda done the whole Obama slick willie give a few speeches a year route or fundraiser but he chose to go out in a blaze as is his style.

Every single republican in a state-wide race in Georgia won by a margin of no less than 5 points, and one as high as 9 points. But somehow Walker can't beat a terrible candidate in Warnock.

I mean, it just boggles the mind how something like this can possibly happen…

The Democrats have pitched the field in their favor via changes to election mechanics.

The Democrats have created related structure to maximize their advantage in this pitched environment.

The Democrats have ALSO run a massive multi-year propaganda campaign against Trump & all things Trump related.

All three of these factors mix to produce the "historically divergent" results in varying degrees. I see the components and the whole as unethical and overdue for correction, but they clearly don't care about the quality of their candidates so that taunt really gets under my skin. its a shame there's so many flakes of conservative bent who can't be bothered to expend a little bit of their personal time to keep the blue machine from marching forward.

Trump's endorsement is not what made the difference in Arizona and Georgia. These states would have "found" enough votes to certify the democrat nominee no matter who endorsed them. In the end all will be revealed.

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Trump's endorsement is not what made the difference in Arizona and Georgia. These states would have "found" enough votes to certify the democrat nominee no matter who endorsed them. In the end all will be revealed.

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And in the end
the love you make
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you make



Keep up dreaming. Just because YOU want it to happen doesn't mean it will.

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Don't give me the GA cheating crap when Kemp won by 300k votes. It's disingenuous and beneath you rocky.

Walker was a **** candidate

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Agree, but so was Warnock.

Kemp wasn't the prize for the democrats, who also ran a **** candidate in Abrams. The senate seat was the prize to maintain and secure control of that body. Georgia has always been red. What changed? Rigged elections.

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I don't believe the elections here are rigged. I'm a moderate who leans R. I voted for Kemp but didn't vote for Walker. I don't think he can chew gum and tie his shoes at the same time. Was Warnock great - no but he could finish a complete sentence.

If Republicans want to win elections- distance yourself from all things Trump and election deniers. I won't vote anyone associated with him or if they campaign on stolen elections. Election reform is fine but if they go all out on stolen or rigged then they have lost my vote.

I am not posting this for a massive blow up but I know a ton of voters like myself who are more in the middle for us the issues I mentioned previously are big red flags for a candidate.

Warnock should have easily been defeated here if a decent candidate was proposed on the other side.

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Great post. These exactly are the kind of voters the "everything is rigged" idiots are ignoring.

Trump is a symptom, not the problem. If we had solid leadership at the top of the RNC there would be no need for a candidate like Trump.

You can make a good argument that the Bush family is responsible for fractured state of the Republican Party today. They handed over control of the government to the intelligence agencies. And then actively campaigned against any Republicans calling for reform.

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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100%. Even ignoring what we saw with how toxic trump was in purple states around the country, that anyone thought she was qualified to manage what amounts to a multibillion dollar budget just because she had some good soundbites is baffling. And Arizona (after electing a republican by a 13% margin in 2018) clearly agreed.

Atlanta (deep Blue Atlanta) says hello !

Look at the voting map - a little circle of blue inside a sea of red

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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An effing community organizer was made President of the United States. But Lake was not a "good candidate" because she was a reporter.

The propaganda machine will convince lots of people that the candidate who threatens their power is not perfect. And lots of people just lap it up.

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Obama was not qualified to be president. But he was a Harvard Law grad, state senator for 7 years, attorney, college professor and US Senator. And his biggest criticism in 2008 was that he needed a lot more experience.

Lake got a communication degree from Iowa and spent the last 25 years reporting on the Phoenix Annual Chili Cookoff. Yet people like you are now pushing her as a VP candidate. Blows my mind.

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She wasn't running for President...Katie Hobbs has a degree from **** town univ in Social Work and is now Gov of a high profile state....SMH this post is stupid

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First, he brought up the Obama comparison. I did not.

Second, as much as I dislike Hobbs, she spent nearly 10 years in the Arizona House and Senate (including as Senate minority leader for 4 years and is the current Arizona Secretary of State). From a resume prospective, that is about what I would expect for a potential governor candidate.

I notice you stopped at the comparison of educational background. You didn't want to touch on the fact that Lake has been a local news anchor for the last 25 years.

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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100%. Even ignoring what we saw with how toxic trump was in purple states around the country, that anyone thought she was qualified to manage what amounts to a multibillion dollar budget just because she had some good soundbites is baffling. And Arizona (after electing a republican by a 13% margin in 2018) clearly agreed.

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And the mouse she ran against is qualified to run the state…how?

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Don't give me the GA cheating crap when Kemp won by 300k votes. It's disingenuous and beneath you rocky.

Walker was a **** candidate

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Kemp is part of the club.

I am not going to be outwardly supporting Trump anymore. He got a bad wrap, but Desantis is the guy with Trump making blunder after blunder out of the gate. I would vote for either.

That said, when Desantis and "better candidates" still lose in these states in 24, I expect the rest of you to pull your head out of the sand in denying our elections are seriously at risk.

That said, if there is this rampant cheating going on, I hope we get new leadership at the top of the republican party that can use every legal tool possible to obtain more ballots than the dems.

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If Trump as you say keeps making blunder after blunder, who is responsible for Trump's bad wrap? Sounds like Trump to me since he makes blunder after blunder.

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Bad wrap = cheating elections in 2020. Hope that helps.