MouthBQ98 said:

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They aren't rigged, the Dems have a very good urban ballot harvesting machine set up in and around Atlanta. They can go right back to it every election cycle. The Republicans need to get off their lazy asses and match it where they have better numbers and they can bring in more ballots next time. It is really that simple.

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Much harder for Republicans to do.

In Atlanta, all they have to do is send some of the local activists/pastors to all of the projects and they will instantly have tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of 100% Democrat votes. Same is true in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee. They also use the same strategy in Las Vegas with the SEIU and in parts of Arizona, but adjusted for a different demographic.

Republicans have to go door to door because their voters don't live in high density inner city public housing.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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They aren't rigged, the Dems have a very good urban ballot harvesting machine set up in and around Atlanta. They can go right back to it every election cycle. The Republicans need to get off their lazy asses and match it where they have better numbers and they can bring in more ballots next time. It is really that simple.

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Much harder for Republicans to do.

In Atlanta, all they have to do is send some of the local activists/pastors to all of the projects and they will instantly have tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of 100% Democrat votes. Same is true in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee. They also use the same strategy in Las Vegas with the SEIU and in parts of Arizona, but adjusted for a different demographic.

Republicans have to go door to door because their voters don't live in high density inner city public housing.

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So it is not worth the effort to have rural pastors and moms do the same thing?

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Lake wasn't a bad candidate.

But Oz and Walker weren't "local" guys. Just a distant history there.

Republicans also need to learn to play the game.

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uh, Lake was an extremely bad candidate

she was going up against one of the stupidest and cowardly dems in the entire country!

and she couldn't beat her!

maybe because Lake had only been a TV anchor and her entire campaign was Trump and Stop the Steal and not having an actual good politician such as...

oh I don't know-- maybe the wildly popular Republican Governor Doug Ducey who was driven out of politics by Trump?!?!

Here we go again.

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Cold day in hell before I ever vote red again. Trump needs to start a third party.

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Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi thank you for your support.

If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Rapier108 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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They aren't rigged, the Dems have a very good urban ballot harvesting machine set up in and around Atlanta. They can go right back to it every election cycle. The Republicans need to get off their lazy asses and match it where they have better numbers and they can bring in more ballots next time. It is really that simple.

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Much harder for Republicans to do.

In Atlanta, all they have to do is send some of the local activists/pastors to all of the projects and they will instantly have tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of 100% Democrat votes. Same is true in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee. They also use the same strategy in Las Vegas with the SEIU and in parts of Arizona, but adjusted for a different demographic.

Republicans have to go door to door because their voters don't live in high density inner city public housing.

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So it is not worth the effort to have rural pastors and moms do the same thing?

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"Hey Pa did you order one hundred mail in ballots pre-filled for the republican candidates? What are you talking about Ma?"

MouthBQ98 said:

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I agree his time is passed. He had a time and place, and was treated horribly and unethical by the political establishment for embarrassing them and exposing them, but he also comes with more baggage than anyone can carry.

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And now he's being treated terribly by his 2016 supporters. Sad.

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Nope, the Dems just found the winning formula - it's called "cheating". Republicans have a chance if we go all in on ballot harvesting, and holding rural county vote totals until after large municipal county vote totals are released. Need overwhelming mail in ballot dump campaigns wherever possible. Stop the infighting, embrace the "formula", and outspend/out organize the Democrats at this game.

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really?

is that what we had to do in Florida where we just won the largest Republican victories in history? Or in Virginia last year when we won every single state wide race? or in 5 House districts in New York this year?!

or is it that when we put up bad candidates, the vote is close enough to allow the left to cheat and pull out a 1% victory?

The "Walker was a bad candidate" bit is correct….until you compare him to the piece of **** he ran against. The problem is Democrats have no moral compass; government is their religion. Thus, they'll vote for pieces of **** like this guy to protect their "right" to kill babies…even though nobody's trying to have sex with them.
Too many Republicans will refuse to vote for someone if they don't like them.

Warnock was an awful candidate
So was fetterman

Republicans are much more likely to stay home if it can be put in their minds that the candidate isn't worthy of their vote. No matter the stakes for overall power in the country. Or if they could feel guilt at all for voting for a candidate (example: he may or may not have paid for an abortion 20 years ago, even though he may fight against abortion now, and socialism for America hangs in the balance, I still can't compromise my morals with a vote).

Democrats are very good at feeding republican voters this kind of doubt and guilt.

Conversely, democrats voters don't feel guilt for sh*t, it's not about the person, it's about delivering power to the party no matter what and will vote as they are told.

These candidates had a great platform and message for what is needed in this country at this time. These candidates were worthy of the vote.

The narrative that these candidates lost because they were tied to Trump is just a reflection of dems amazing propaganda effort to get people to stay home and get us to accept the loss.

If he wants support, he needs to quit burning bridges. He is owed nothing, just like anyone else. Sometimes life is unfair. Wins must be earned, every time.

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Warnock was an awful candidate

So was fetterman

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which of these ran as a republican?


for 1000th time. democrats don't care about candidate quality.

Ags77 said:

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

The "cheating" excuse is very convenient for those that don't want to look in the mirror and ask themselves why some people don't vote for their preferred candidates. It's what Stacey Abrams did, and it's what Republicans have been doing the past 2 years.

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Ags77 said:

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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That's exactly what I meant. Being a trump follower and therefore trashing the late Sen McCain was a bad plan in Arizona, as was constantly whining about 2020 and election denying.

She had the ability to articulate views that would have played well. Like inflation, border security, crime etc... instead she used her energy mostly on praising trump, trashing McCain, and denying election results.

It wasn't her occupation that made her be a bad candidate, it was her message.

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Warnock was an awful candidate

So was fetterman

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which of these ran as a republican?


for 1000th time. democrats don't care about candidate quality.

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What I'm saying is that any candidate who represents what we need in this country right now (not Cornyn types) is going to have a smear campaign ran against them). Propaganda will convince you that they are not "good candidates". Doesn't matter how amazing they are. You will be convinced.

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Warnock was an awful candidate

So was fetterman

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which of these ran as a republican?


for 1000th time. democrats don't care about candidate quality.

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Preach.

Last night, CNN ran a graphic to show where Warnock was outperforming Walker. He outperformed him in some counties that were squarely red.

Walker shouldn't have run in this race in Georgia. A true conservative would have won. Walker isn't that person.

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Ags77 said:

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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An effing community organizer was made President of the United States. But Lake was not a "good candidate" because she was a reporter.

The propaganda machine will convince lots of people that the candidate who threatens their power is not perfect. And lots of people just lap it up.

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Republicans doing what republicans do.

Democrats are very loyal to their candidates, will do whatever it takes to win. They will take it to the streets, they will cheat, whatever it takes, you attack their candidate, they circle the wagons. They run a pig and win.

Cold day in hell before I ever vote red again. Trump needs to start a third party.

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Don't give me the GA cheating crap when Kemp won by 300k votes. It's disingenuous and beneath you rocky.

Walker was a **** candidate

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Kemp is part of the club.

I am not going to be outwardly supporting Trump anymore. He got a bad wrap, but Desantis is the guy with Trump making blunder after blunder out of the gate. I would vote for either.

That said, when Desantis and "better candidates" still lose in these states in 24, I expect the rest of you to pull your head out of the sand in denying our elections are seriously at risk.

That said, if there is this rampant cheating going on, I hope we get new leadership at the top of the republican party that can use every legal tool possible to obtain more ballots than the dems.

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If Trump as you say keeps making blunder after blunder, who is responsible for Trump's bad wrap? Sounds like Trump to me since he makes blunder after blunder.

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BMX Bandit said:

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Warnock was an awful candidate

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which of these ran as a republican?


for 1000th time. democrats don't care about candidate quality.

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What I'm saying is that any candidate who represents what we need in this country right now (not Cornyn types) is going to have a smear campaign ran against them). Propaganda will convince you that they are not "good candidates". Doesn't matter how amazing they are. You will be convinced.

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Walker was an "amazing" candidate? He is 60 years old. Why on earth have you not been pushing him as a candidate for years? We shouldn't be leaving talent like that on the bench!

10/9 - 11/20 RCP Average 2024 Republican Presidential Nomination polls has Trump kicking Ron's teeth in, +21.5! Most recent polls, post midterms, have him 15-30 points ahead.

It's Trump's if he wants it.

MouthBQ98 said:

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They aren't rigged, the Dems have a very good urban ballot harvesting machine set up in and around Atlanta. They can go right back to it every election cycle. The Republicans need to get off their lazy asses and match it where they have better numbers and they can bring in more ballots next time. It is really that simple.

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How much do the ballot heads cost for the harvesters?

Tanya 93 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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They aren't rigged, the Dems have a very good urban ballot harvesting machine set up in and around Atlanta. They can go right back to it every election cycle. The Republicans need to get off their lazy asses and match it where they have better numbers and they can bring in more ballots next time. It is really that simple.

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Much harder for Republicans to do.

In Atlanta, all they have to do is send some of the local activists/pastors to all of the projects and they will instantly have tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of 100% Democrat votes. Same is true in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee. They also use the same strategy in Las Vegas with the SEIU and in parts of Arizona, but adjusted for a different demographic.

Republicans have to go door to door because their voters don't live in high density inner city public housing.

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So it is not worth the effort to have rural pastors and moms do the same thing?

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That's not what I'm saying.

Just pointing out for the Democrats, it is very easy and does not take very many resources to generate a ton of votes.

Forget the polls. If DeSantis can run one on one with Trump, he will win handily. The problem is if there are 10 candidates, trumps LOYAL followers will have a big piece of the pie.

There's a dynamic at work here that favors weak democrat candidates over weak GOP candidates. And that is due to many GOP voters refusing to vote for their candidates either because they're not conservative enough, they have perceived "moral" issues (magnified unfairly by the media), or whatever. Democrats show up and vote for their candidate - they don't GAF about how ideologically "pure" they are or any moral shortcomings. Need examples? OK, Biden, Kamala (senate), Fetterman.

To the Georgia voters who stayed home because Walker didn't meet their standards - congrats on handing a solid democrat Senate to Biden for SCOTUS and other judicial appointments, along with treaties.

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Ags77 said:

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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Lake being articulate and energetic really are not qualifying traits. She was a bad candidate because she spent her whole career as a Phoenix news anchor and somehow that qualifies her to run the state. And that she spent the entire campaign trying to attack everything that moved, including the not small McCain wing of Arizona politics. The Trump connection didn't help either.

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An effing community organizer was made President of the United States. But Lake was not a "good candidate" because she was a reporter.

The propaganda machine will convince lots of people that the candidate who threatens their power is not perfect. And lots of people just lap it up.

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Obama was not qualified to be president. But he was a Harvard Law grad, state senator for 7 years, attorney, college professor and US Senator. And his biggest criticism in 2008 was that he needed a lot more experience.

Lake got a communication degree from Iowa and spent the last 25 years reporting on the Phoenix Annual Chili Cookoff. Yet people like you are now pushing her as a VP candidate. Blows my mind.

Elections are all about 2 things

Getting your people out to vote

Convince your opposition to stay home

The Dems convinced the opposition to stay home. Doesn't matter what the facts are, just as long as it works this time.

Ags77 said:

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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I agree.

so when an articulate and telegenic candidate screws their own campaign and loses because of horrendous tactical and strategic decisions..

that's called a "bad political candidate"

I don't blame Trump for the UGA race. Walker was the overwhelming choice of GA republicans in the primary.

Trump is to blame for picking Oz in PA.

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Ags77 said:

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If Lake was a bad candidate it's because she hitched her wagon to trump and the election denier theory.

She is certainly articulate and energetic. She is just on the wrong side on these two fronts.

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I agree.

so when an articulate and telegenic candidate screws their own campaign and loses because of horrendous tactical and strategic decisions..

that's called a "bad political candidate"

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Agree

Ernest Tucker said:

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Elections are all about 2 things

Getting your people out to vote

Convince your opposition to stay home

The Dems convinced the opposition to stay home. Doesn't matter what the facts are, just as long as it works this time.

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I agree partially with you on this post

the Dems did not convince the opposition in the November elections to stay home- the GOP had millions more votes across the country.

the Dems DID convince their own voters to get out and vote as well- mostly because of abortion and TRUMP

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MouthBQ98 said:

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They aren't rigged, the Dems have a very good urban ballot harvesting machine set up in and around Atlanta. They can go right back to it every election cycle. The Republicans need to get off their lazy asses and match it where they have better numbers and they can bring in more ballots next time. It is really that simple.

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This has happened in two election cycles now and republicans need to wake up. If they want to win state wide elections in purple states they must do this. The other alternative is to run the absolute perfect candidate (Kemp, DeSantis) everytime and that's not possible.

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You don't have to run a perfect candidate. But running a guy who wants to ban abortions, who also paid for multiple abortions throughout his life, 6 months after the Supreme Court basically pissed off every woman in the country, was a terrible idea.