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Proof I'm an idiot and actually drove by to check it out.
So your mirror, objects are closer than they appear…. how close were you to that brick wall!
University of Idaho - 4 college students murdered
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So your mirror, objects are closer than they appear…. how close were you to that brick wall!
Arraignment will be short. Judge may, again, may set the matter for trial. There will also be a hearing about the gag order that media companies are fighting to be changed.jrrhouston98 said:
Today is the arraignment. Any surprises today?
Because of the grand jury indictment, today will be before a new judge, not the Magistrate that entered the gag order.
ETA: proceedings will be recorded by not lve streamed. Recording will be released after conclusion of the hearings.
EDB going live on these supposedly in five minutes
New judge in the case has the last name of "Judge." So when she says Judge Judge, she's not being silly.
Hawg, what is the rationale of "standing silent", as opposed to actually pleading not guilty?
Is there some reasoning for doing so on the part of the defense?
Is there some reasoning for doing so on the part of the defense?
Arraignment happening now. Should be short.
Now discussing he is not waiving right to speedy trial, counsel asks Judge Judge to set the trial at the end of the six month period and expects the trial to last 4-6 weeks. October 2nd is the tentative date.
But the prosecution is fully agreeable to that time frame but defense still could ask for a continuance later and waive speedy trial.
Arraignment done.
But the prosecution is fully agreeable to that time frame but defense still could ask for a continuance later and waive speedy trial.
Arraignment done.
Death penalty still on the table for the next 60 days. So prosecutors have until that time to meet further with the families and community leaders before they decide.
jrdaustin said:
Hawg, what is the rationale of "standing silent", as opposed to actually pleading not guilty?
Is there some reasoning for doing so on the part of the defense?
I'm curious about this too.
It can be a combination of rationales but under the law, standing silent is taken as a plea of not guilty. There is no requirement for the defendant to say anything other than if they understand the charges against them.MsDoubleD81 said:jrdaustin said:
Hawg, what is the rationale of "standing silent", as opposed to actually pleading not guilty?
Is there some reasoning for doing so on the part of the defense?
I'm curious about this too.
Family members of the victims were in the courtroom, so his saying aloud, "Not guilty," might upset them and his PD recommended he just stand and let the judge enter the plea into the record.
Ah, thanks. That makes sense. I had heard someone say they could be thinking of making a plea deal.
Thank you! EDB commented on it, but didn't explain any rationale for doing so.aggiehawg said:It can be a combination of rationales but under the law, standing silent is taken as a plea of not guilty. There is no requirement for the defendant to say anything other than if they understand the charges against them.MsDoubleD81 said:jrdaustin said:
Hawg, what is the rationale of "standing silent", as opposed to actually pleading not guilty?
Is there some reasoning for doing so on the part of the defense?
I'm curious about this too.
Family members of the victims were in the courtroom, so his saying aloud, "Not guilty," might upset them and his PD recommended he just stand and let the judge enter the plea into the record.
As a practical matter, there is no plea deal until the death penalty issue is resolved. Defense has little incentive until that decision is made. Again, there are families here. And they might not all agree to taking death off of the table. Prosecutors have to be mindful of that and defense counsel (who are certified DP lawyers) know that too.MsDoubleD81 said:
Ah, thanks. That makes sense. I had heard someone say they could be thinking of making a plea deal.
Further, the prosecution very recently did a massive data dump as per their discovery obligations. So his defense team will have to go through all of that before advising their client on that issue.
Anyone expecting the possibility of a plea deal this early is not being realistic given the complexity of a multiple homicide with stalking implications. (An aggravating circumstance in terms of sentencing.)
Nancy Grace reported on FNC this morning there is another case involving BK and stalking behavior. He had a female friend whose apartment he went in secretly and rearranged things to freak her out. Then he kept questioning her until she told him about it. Then he offered to put security/surveillance system in her apartment. Which he of course had remote access to so he could watch her in her own apartment. That may or may not play into this case but it shows propensity and then he was not just a fledgling killer. He planned in advance.
Gag order hearing now being replayed on EDB's feed.
Judge Judge throwing shade on the AP lawyer! LOL.
Wow! Makes you wonder what else he has doneaggiehawg said:
Nancy Grace reported on FNC this morning there is another case involving BK and stalking behavior. He had a female friend whose apartment he went in secretly and rearranged things to freak her out. Then he kept questioning her until she told him about it. Then he offered to put security/surveillance system in her apartment. Which he of course had remote access to so he could watch her in her own apartment. That may or may not play into this case but it shows propensity and then he was not just a fledgling killer. He planned in advance.
I forget exactly how much was contained in the recent discovery dump but it was well into terrabytes. So maybe he had been stalking others too?DatTallArchitect said:Wow! Makes you wonder what else he has doneaggiehawg said:
Nancy Grace reported on FNC this morning there is another case involving BK and stalking behavior. He had a female friend whose apartment he went in secretly and rearranged things to freak her out. Then he kept questioning her until she told him about it. Then he offered to put security/surveillance system in her apartment. Which he of course had remote access to so he could watch her in her own apartment. That may or may not play into this case but it shows propensity and then he was not just a fledgling killer. He planned in advance.
From the evidence I have seen - it looks pretty overwhelming. The only concern I have it is in Latah County which is a slightly blue county in Idaho.
Another reason why the DP issue is a sticky one.TheEternalPessimist said:
From the evidence I have seen - it looks pretty overwhelming. The only concern I have it is in Latah County which is a slightly blue county in Idaho.
ETA: To be clear, that is from a jury selection standpoint, that is a sticky issue.
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aggiehawg said:I forget exactly how much was contained in the recent discovery dump but it was well into terrabytes. So maybe he had been stalking others too?DatTallArchitect said:Wow! Makes you wonder what else he has doneaggiehawg said:
Nancy Grace reported on FNC this morning there is another case involving BK and stalking behavior. He had a female friend whose apartment he went in secretly and rearranged things to freak her out. Then he kept questioning her until she told him about it. Then he offered to put security/surveillance system in her apartment. Which he of course had remote access to so he could watch her in her own apartment. That may or may not play into this case but it shows propensity and then he was not just a fledgling killer. He planned in advance.
On the Dateline episode on Friday, there was also an instance where a girl's suitcase was rifled thru in her car and her panties were stuffed in the cupholder. Tho I think this happened in March 2022, which would have been before BK got to Washington. That was creepy too.
Was wondering what else he may have done in PA before he got to WSU.MsDoubleD81 said:aggiehawg said:I forget exactly how much was contained in the recent discovery dump but it was well into terrabytes. So maybe he had been stalking others too?DatTallArchitect said:Wow! Makes you wonder what else he has doneaggiehawg said:
Nancy Grace reported on FNC this morning there is another case involving BK and stalking behavior. He had a female friend whose apartment he went in secretly and rearranged things to freak her out. Then he kept questioning her until she told him about it. Then he offered to put security/surveillance system in her apartment. Which he of course had remote access to so he could watch her in her own apartment. That may or may not play into this case but it shows propensity and then he was not just a fledgling killer. He planned in advance.
On the Dateline episode on Friday, there was also an instance where a girl's suitcase was rifled thru in her car and her panties were stuffed in the cupholder. Tho I think this happened in March 2022, which would have been before BK got to Washington. That was creepy too.
He'd have to be ****ing insane to think he should go to trial at this point.
Well, he is a psychopath/sociopathABATTBQ11 said:
He'd have to be ****ing insane to think he should go to trial at this point.
same! I don't get it...Anti-taxxer said:
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In a case as complicated as this one, a speedy trialcould work to the defendant's benefit with a small prosecutorial team in a small county in a sparsely populated state. So it really depends on where the case is brought and the resources the state and local officials can throw to it.ABATTBQ11 said:
He'd have to be ****ing insane to think he should go to trial at this point.
Damn near worked in the Alex Murdaugh trial but the state AG was all in on that one.
Yes. I don't understand it.Anti-taxxer said:
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agcrock2005 said:Yes. I don't understand it.Anti-taxxer said:
Does this thread keep falling off anyone else's watchlist? I've had to re-mark it three times.
If a thread sits idle long enough it will fall off your watch list. I csnt recall the number of days but go to the very bottom of your watch list and it will be at least one day more than the oldest inactive thread on there.
DatTallArchitect said:Well, he is a psychopath/sociopathABATTBQ11 said:
He'd have to be ****ing insane to think he should go to trial at this point.
Good point
I think he has killed many times before.
He reminds me of Ted Bundy, who was a law student that represented himself in a trial.
Ruthless animal who ambushed and butchered young women.
Florida put a end to his life.
Ted Bundy
Sea Speed said:agcrock2005 said:Yes. I don't understand it.Anti-taxxer said:
Does this thread keep falling off anyone else's watchlist? I've had to re-mark it three times.
If a thread sits idle long enough it will fall off your watch list. I csnt recall the number of days but go to the very bottom of your watch list and it will be at least one day more than the oldest inactive thread on there.
You can save it so it won't drop off.
And you do this how????
On a PC, go to "Your Watchlist" and click the checkmark next to the Topic that's in the column entitled "Save".MsDoubleD81 said:
And you do this how????
MsDoubleD81 said:
And you do this how????
easiest way is to go to your watchlist in a desktop browser. on there it shows a save button for each thread in your watchlist.
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