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Is it me or has this thread turned into a cold case?

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Well, until the conflict of interest issue, there's not much to discuss.

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Sully said:

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Is it me or has this thread turned into a cold case?

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Well, until the conflict of interest issue, there's not much to discuss.

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That didn't stop people from making wild ass claims before, why should it now.

Jimmy Hoffa ordered a hit on XK.

Brian Kohberger Defense Attorney Represented Victims Parents

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Earlier this week, it was revealed that Cara Northington, the mother of victim, Xana Kenodle, 20, was represented by Bryan Kohberger's defense attorney Anne Taylor on drug charges until January 5, the same day the suspect was extradited to Idaho.

Court records obtained by Inside Edition now show that Taylor, the Chief of Kootenai Public Defender's Office, represented Madison Mogen's stepmother, Korie Hatrock, on drugs charges as recently as June 2022. Taylor also oversaw a case in involving Mogen's father, Benjamin, in 2020.

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Daily Mail just posted story on BK's defense attorney representing some of the victim's parents on drug charges.

Not surprising since Moscow is a small city, and good defense attorneys have lots of business.

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Brian Kohberger Defense Attorney Represented Victims Parents

Daily Mail just posted story on BK's defense attorney representing some of the victim's parents on drug charges.

Not surprising since Moscow is a small city, and good defense attorneys have lots of business.

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Actually a public defender. But yes, she undoubtedly has a ton of clients.

Moscow has a population similar to Big Spring, Belton, and Denison, while Coeur d'Alene (where Anne Taylor normally practices) has about twice the population.

There are only 29 licensed lawyers in Idaho who are certfied to handle death penalty cases. Two such certified lawyers are assigned to BK, along with other team members.

Anne Taylor was assigned as lead counsel.

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There are only 29 licensed lawyers in Idaho who are certfied to handle death penalty cases. Two such certified lawyers are assigned to BK, along with other team members.

Anne Taylor was assigned as lead counsel.

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I'm assuming you're talking about for defense counsel? Idaho requires a special license to defend those? Is Texas like that too? What about if a capital defendant has to have a public defender?

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There are only 29 licensed lawyers in Idaho who are certfied to handle death penalty cases. Two such certified lawyers are assigned to BK, along with other team members.

Anne Taylor was assigned as lead counsel.

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I'm assuming you're talking about for defense counsel? Idaho requires a special license to defend those? Is Texas like that too? What about if a capital defendant has to have a public defender?

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It is a program overseen by the ABA and tax payer funded. It is a just like any other area of the law when you gain certification as a specialist in the field.

Go to the 19 minute mark and Billy Little explains all of it.

Wow!

Nm

Attorney for Goncalves family challenging gag order.

The attorney for Idaho victim Kaylee Goncalves’ family is challenging the judge’s gag order.
He says: “It would place an undue burden on the Victims’ families if the attorney whom they have retained to represent their interests was prohibited from serving as their spokesperson.” pic.twitter.com/ea2cNoGAp3

— Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) February 3, 2023

The attorney for Idaho victim Kaylee Goncalves' family is challenging the judge's gag order.
He says: "It would place an undue burden on the Victims' families if the attorney whom they have retained to represent their interests was prohibited from serving as their spokesperson."

University Investigated Idaho Murder Suspect's Behavior Around Time of Killings

Interesting. I didn't know he had been terminated before the arrest, I always assumed it was after.

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At the faculty end-of-year meeting in December, WSU staff decided to terminate Kohberger from his teaching assistant position. Those in the meeting were also told that female students had come forward claiming that Kohberger made them uncomfortable:
The faculty's concerns with Mr. Kohberger grew in the weeks after the Nov. 13 killings, though he had not yet been identified as a suspect. They culminated in the criminal justice department's unusual decision to terminate Mr. Kohberger from his teaching assistant role in December, shortly before his arrest, according to three people familiar with his time at the university and a formal letter to Mr. Kohberger informing him that he had failed to meet the conditions required to maintain his funding under the program.
The faculty made the decision at the department's end-of-year meeting in December, during which professors were also told that some female students reported that Mr. Kohberger had made them feel uncomfortable. In one of those instances, Mr. Kohberger was accused of following a female student to her car, according to two people familiar with the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
In the case of the female students, the university's investigation did not find Mr. Kohberger guilty of any wrongdoing, two people said, and it was other matters that prompted the decision to eliminate his funding and remove him from the teaching assistant job. That decision, they said, was based on his unsatisfactory performance as a teaching assistant, including his failure to meet the "norms of professional behavior" in his interactions with the faculty.

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Guy was a creeper, confirmed.

https://www.insideedition.com/bryan-kohberger-murder-eyewitness-party-victims

Grain of salt as the source is tabloid tv, the article states the eyewitness did nothing as she assumed killer was there as a guest.

ETA: Supposedly yelled at them to keep it down.

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https://www.insideedition.com/bryan-kohberger-murder-eyewitness-party-victims

Grain of salt as the source is tabloid tv, the article states the eyewitness did nothing as she assumed killer was there as a guest.

ETA: Supposedly yelled at them to keep it down.

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weird, that would go against the "frozen in fear" line that's been out there or however they worded that.

This taking an interview after she knows they were already murdered.

The article says the affidavit uses the term "frozen shock phase". Maybe the male figure just surprised her so she stopped initially and then locked herself in her room because she knew people were there and didn't want to deal with anything and wanted to sleep - with no real idea what was going and just assumed there were people still over. Especially since she had just yelled at them to keep it down (assuming that's true).

I have no clue - but I just have a hard time thinking that she felt something bad was happening and didn't contact the police or friends or anything. Obviously it's possible, but I think it's more likely she was tired, maybe still drunk and wanted to sleep. Seeing BK initially startled her, but not to the point that she felt like something was wrong. She went back to sleep not knowing what had just happened.

But then again - why wouldn't seeing a man dressed in all black with a mask not immediately make you sense danger?

Who knows - I'm sure we will get the full story at the trial.

She's under a gag order. Why would she talk to anyone?

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The article says the affidavit uses the term "frozen shock phase". Maybe the male figure just surprised her so she stopped initially and then locked herself in her room because she knew people were there and didn't want to deal with anything and wanted to sleep - with no real idea what was going and just assumed there were people still over. Especially since she had just yelled at them to keep it down (assuming that's true).

I have no clue - but I just have a hard time thinking that she felt something bad was happening and didn't contact the police or friends or anything. Obviously it's possible, but I think it's more likely she was tired, maybe still drunk and wanted to sleep. Seeing BK initially startled her, but not to the point that she felt like something was wrong. She went back to sleep not knowing what had just happened.

But then again - why wouldn't seeing a man dressed in all black with a mask not immediately make you sense danger?

Who knows - I'm sure we will get the full story at the trial.

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Yeah maybe so, would certainly explain her lack of calling the police

Are you implying they were murdered at a party and nobody noticed?

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Someone knocking on my door at 3 AM when I was the only one living in a four plex at the time, made me come to the door with a loaded Saturday Night Special when I was a senior. Turns out it was guy friend who had forgotten his keys and was locked out of his own apartment.

But that was the late 70s. We partied our butts off but also were not stupid and were packing.

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University Investigated Idaho Murder Suspect's Behavior Around Time of Killings

Interesting. I didn't know he had been terminated before the arrest, I always assumed it was after.

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At the faculty end-of-year meeting in December, WSU staff decided to terminate Kohberger from his teaching assistant position. Those in the meeting were also told that female students had come forward claiming that Kohberger made them uncomfortable:
The faculty's concerns with Mr. Kohberger grew in the weeks after the Nov. 13 killings, though he had not yet been identified as a suspect. They culminated in the criminal justice department's unusual decision to terminate Mr. Kohberger from his teaching assistant role in December, shortly before his arrest, according to three people familiar with his time at the university and a formal letter to Mr. Kohberger informing him that he had failed to meet the conditions required to maintain his funding under the program.
The faculty made the decision at the department's end-of-year meeting in December, during which professors were also told that some female students reported that Mr. Kohberger had made them feel uncomfortable. In one of those instances, Mr. Kohberger was accused of following a female student to her car, according to two people familiar with the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
In the case of the female students, the university's investigation did not find Mr. Kohberger guilty of any wrongdoing, two people said, and it was other matters that prompted the decision to eliminate his funding and remove him from the teaching assistant job. That decision, they said, was based on his unsatisfactory performance as a teaching assistant, including his failure to meet the "norms of professional behavior" in his interactions with the faculty.

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On the surface, there is nothing suspicious about a TA position ending at the end of a semester. I knew people who would TA a class offered once a year, then go back to a research assistantship the rest of the year. They usually had to twist one of the grad students' arms to take the TA position.

However from the sound of it, something was up here and he was outright fired.

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However from the sound of it, something was up here and he was outright fired.

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Female students complained. In Washington state. Me Tooed but likely deserved it. But he was not expelled, from what I can see. The financial implications from being fired may have affected his ability to continue being a student, though.

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University Investigated Idaho Murder Suspect's Behavior Around Time of Killings

Interesting. I didn't know he had been terminated before the arrest, I always assumed it was after.

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At the faculty end-of-year meeting in December, WSU staff decided to terminate Kohberger from his teaching assistant position. Those in the meeting were also told that female students had come forward claiming that Kohberger made them uncomfortable:
The faculty's concerns with Mr. Kohberger grew in the weeks after the Nov. 13 killings, though he had not yet been identified as a suspect. They culminated in the criminal justice department's unusual decision to terminate Mr. Kohberger from his teaching assistant role in December, shortly before his arrest, according to three people familiar with his time at the university and a formal letter to Mr. Kohberger informing him that he had failed to meet the conditions required to maintain his funding under the program.
The faculty made the decision at the department's end-of-year meeting in December, during which professors were also told that some female students reported that Mr. Kohberger had made them feel uncomfortable. In one of those instances, Mr. Kohberger was accused of following a female student to her car, according to two people familiar with the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
In the case of the female students, the university's investigation did not find Mr. Kohberger guilty of any wrongdoing, two people said, and it was other matters that prompted the decision to eliminate his funding and remove him from the teaching assistant job. That decision, they said, was based on his unsatisfactory performance as a teaching assistant, including his failure to meet the "norms of professional behavior" in his interactions with the faculty.

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On the surface, there is nothing suspicious about a TA position ending at the end of a semester. I knew people who would TA a class offered once a year, then go back to a research assistantship the rest of the year. They usually had to twist one of the grad students' arms to take the TA position.

However from the sound of it, something was up here and he was outright fired.

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Did you go to graduate school? Because that sounds to me like they were pulling his assistantship. I would say the faculty meeting to pull his TA position likely meant much more than just removing his teaching assignments.

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Are you implying they were murdered at a party and nobody noticed?

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No not at all. Sorry if I explained it poorly. When I was in college it was common for some of us to come home later than other roommates (I lived in a house of 5). We would stay up making late night food, laughing, playing music and one of the other roommates would tell us to keep it down. I'm guessing this is what happened. Then later in the night BK entered, committed the murders and left. The murders woke Dylan enough to yell at them to keep it down but she had no clue that they were being murdered. From what I've read, no one really screamed bloody murder etc so it may have just been sounds of rustling, running about etc would could have been mistaken for the other roommates goofing around while drunk. They weren't having a party that night, just hanging out normally after a night on the town. Which was probably common and I'm sure non residents that they were friends with would come and hang out for a while as well. I'm saying it's possible Dylan was asleep and in her hazy state mistook the sounds of the killer committing the murders with her roommates and friends goofing around after drinking. Would help explain why she never contacted police right away.

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torrid said:

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University Investigated Idaho Murder Suspect's Behavior Around Time of Killings

Interesting. I didn't know he had been terminated before the arrest, I always assumed it was after.

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At the faculty end-of-year meeting in December, WSU staff decided to terminate Kohberger from his teaching assistant position. Those in the meeting were also told that female students had come forward claiming that Kohberger made them uncomfortable:
The faculty's concerns with Mr. Kohberger grew in the weeks after the Nov. 13 killings, though he had not yet been identified as a suspect. They culminated in the criminal justice department's unusual decision to terminate Mr. Kohberger from his teaching assistant role in December, shortly before his arrest, according to three people familiar with his time at the university and a formal letter to Mr. Kohberger informing him that he had failed to meet the conditions required to maintain his funding under the program.
The faculty made the decision at the department's end-of-year meeting in December, during which professors were also told that some female students reported that Mr. Kohberger had made them feel uncomfortable. In one of those instances, Mr. Kohberger was accused of following a female student to her car, according to two people familiar with the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
In the case of the female students, the university's investigation did not find Mr. Kohberger guilty of any wrongdoing, two people said, and it was other matters that prompted the decision to eliminate his funding and remove him from the teaching assistant job. That decision, they said, was based on his unsatisfactory performance as a teaching assistant, including his failure to meet the "norms of professional behavior" in his interactions with the faculty.

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On the surface, there is nothing suspicious about a TA position ending at the end of a semester. I knew people who would TA a class offered once a year, then go back to a research assistantship the rest of the year. They usually had to twist one of the grad students' arms to take the TA position.

However from the sound of it, something was up here and he was outright fired.

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Did you go to graduate school? Because that sounds to me like they were pulling his assistantship. I would say the faculty meeting to pull his TA position likely meant much more than just removing his teaching assignments.

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Yes, I knew people who switched from TA to RA semester-to-semester. It didn't usually require a meeting of the whole department staff. There was obviously much more going on here.

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A source previously told Inside Edition Digital that the two surviving roommates called Chapin's two siblings to the home before calling police. The two were able to arrive at the scene quickly since they also attend the University of Idaho.

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I can't imagine the shock of seeing your brother after he was stabbed to death.

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A source previously told Inside Edition Digital that the two surviving roommates called Chapin's two siblings to the home before calling police. The two were able to arrive at the scene quickly since they also attend the University of Idaho.

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I can't imagine the shock of seeing your brother after he was stabbed to death.

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They were triplets.

I remember this being reported at the very beginning, when it was thought the 2 surviving roommates were on the fitst floor. Yelled at other roommates "hey, knock it off". Also reported sounds of people running around.

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https://www.insideedition.com/bryan-kohberger-murder-eyewitness-party-victims

Grain of salt as the source is tabloid tv, the article states the eyewitness did nothing as she assumed killer was there as a guest.

ETA: Supposedly yelled at them to keep it down.

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weird, that would go against the "frozen in fear" line that's been out there or however they worded that.

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Not necessarily. Remember the affidavit is not a complete testimony or witness report. It is selective about what it includes. For a reason. To solicit a warrant. You don't need to include anything that is not pertinent to that.

And there is no indication of when this yelling reported by this source happened.

She apparently opened the door three different times and said she heard what she thought was someone playing with the dog at one point, someone say someone was there at some point and also includes the frozen in fear part. The affidavit might have left out what she yelled it is irrelevant to getting a warrant really.

She might have yelled the first or second time she opened the door and froze the third time she opened the door because someone was walking towards her.

The yelling earlier would corroborate what many speculate which is that she did not think anything was wrong. It's been said before but it was a party house and I doubt that was the first time she was annoyed by noise late at night. And in fact it might explain why he bypassed her since she thought it was just noise from rowdy party guests and he heard what she yelled presumably (it's possible he did not see her as well and/or was in a hurry to get out and she was not a target).

Reported on Banfield NewsNation last night, Ann Taylor cleared of conflict by judge.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/bryan-kohbergers-lawyer-cleared-of-conflict/

Also on the episode of Banfield last night, Kohberger communicates with her via tablet and an app for inmates, Getting Out.

House will be torn down.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-king-road-home-where-bryan-kohberger-allegedly-stabbed-four-students-boarded-up-photos-show

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Workers have boarded up the off-campus Moscow, Idaho, rental home on King Road where four University of Idaho students were killed on Nov. 13 and the university announced Friday that it will soon be torn down.

Photos show plywood boards over the doors and windows, and a temporary fence has been installed around the property. Security teams continue to monitor the property around the clock as well.

"The owner of the King Street house offered to give the house to the university, which we accepted," University of Idaho President Scott Green said in a statement. "The house will be demolished. This is a healing step and removes the physical structure where the crime that shook our community was committed."

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