I'd want to know what he bought at Albersons the day after the murders.

Curious to know the date of the Dickies purchase. If shortly before the murders and he cannot account for them, that is a bad look.

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Possible but he would have to produce the actual clothing that came with that tag. If not at his apartment nor with his clothes in the family home in PA, where is it? Something the defense would need to explain or dismiss.

That evidence, the reciots and tag is relevant due to DM's description of a slender guy dressed all in black.

Eh, Lots of reddit and twitter detectives making a big deal out of the search warrant items, but they aren't super interesting without linking them to the crime scene. He's done if they can, but I would expect you'd find something similar in most people's residence. The receipts are probably them most interesting because they indicate law enforcement were probably trying to match with something specific.

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Do Fire Sticks have on board storage? Why take this?

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You can use a Fire Stick to access a web browser. It's a pain in the ass and people usually only do it to access illegal streams. I'm assuming if he did that they'd be able to access his browsing history.

I wonder if one of the victims was missing a pillowcase.

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So wore Dickie's coveralls, i guess

Edit - ellis beat me to it. But there's basically your dark colored tyvek-suit substitute.

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Didn't think about that until now, tyvek is noisy. Coveralls not nearly as much.

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gotsand said:

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Do Fire Sticks have on board storage? Why take this?

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You can use a Fire Stick to access a web browser. It's a pain in the ass and people usually only do it to access illegal streams. I'm assuming if he did that they'd be able to access his browsing history.

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That's stored on the stick? I'm sure they're not building a copyright infringement case for a jailbroken Fire TV.

I just looked and they do have a small amount of on-board storage. I learned something today.

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Gee, do they run canine DNA?

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Seriously, I'm pretty sure animal DNA testing has been used to obtain convictions. Probably mostly for hunting-related cases. However, I see no reason why they couldn't DNA test a dog hair found in his apartment and compare it to the murder victim's dog. It would be very hard to explain how it wound up in his apartment.

edit - quick search of the internet reveals a murder conviction based on dog DNA dating back to 1998

https://www.deseret.com/1998/9/17/19401912/dog-dna-helps-convict-2-in-murder-of-couple-pet

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I'd want to know what he bought at Albersons the day after the murders.

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Idk, but if the recent past on this thread is any indication, we will probably start hearing about how the grocery sacker is probably a part of the murder plan.

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Ditches the coveralls but keeps the receipt and tags? Keeps bedclothes with stains instead of buying a cheap set of new sheets and pillowcases? Vacuums but doesn't empty the dust collector?

Not that smart after all.

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I am curious about the stains on the bed sheets and pillows… could be unrelated to the crime? Just wondering why in the hell he'd get in his bed with blood still on him, or why he would set blood soaked clothes on the bed. If his clothes has that much blood on him, it seems his car would have had to have been covered in it. How did he keep the car clean but then leave evidence in apartment? We'll have to see how it all shakes out. Just because they took it as possible evidence doesn't mean it actually is.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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So wore Dickie's coveralls, i guess

Edit - ellis beat me to it. But there's basically your dark colored tyvek-suit substitute.

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Didn't think about that until now, tyvek is noisy. Coveralls not nearly as much.

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And as far as I know, Tyvek suits are always white. No way he would have worn a white suit to the scene of the crime.

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aggiehawg said:

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Ditches the coveralls but keeps the receipt and tags? Keeps bedclothes with stains instead of buying a cheap set of new sheets and pillowcases? Vacuums but doesn't empty the dust collector?

Not that smart after all.

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I am curious about the stains on the bed sheets and pillows… could be unrelated to the crime? Just wondering why in the hell he'd get in his bed with blood still on him, or why he would set blood soaked clothes on the bed. If his clothes has that much blood on him, it seems his car would have had to have been covered in it. How did he keep the car clean but then leave evidence in apartment? We'll have to see how it all shakes out. Just because they took it as possible evidence doesn't mean it actually is.

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A couple of thoughts. Could be his blood if he cut himself or was scratched deeply. Or maybe he's prone to nosebleeds? His car could have had seat covers that he then ditched or burned somewhere.

They apparently did not find the Vans shoes from what has been released. He could have ditched those too.

It is odd to only find one black nitrite glove, though. Doubt that glove has much if any evidence on it. Probably a spare.

And only 1 glove found.

See my post, above: Re: Vans

"Data compilations" of the victims

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"Data compilations" of the victims

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Probably screenshots of instagram and other social media photos. I'd bet money some of you weirdos now have data compilations of the victims too.

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A search of his office in the school's department of criminal justice and criminology turned up nothing, according to the filings, but police found hair samples, fabric with dark red stains, and a single black glove and other evidence at his apartment.

The warrants were initially sealed but a Washington judge ordered the release of redacted versions of the documents Wednesday.

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In the newly unveiled filings, investigators described previously undisclosed evidence they were seeking, including blood, DNA, shoes with diamond-pattern soles and "data compilations" of information about the victims and the King Road house where they were killed.

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The warrants allege that Kohberger pre-planned the ambush and had studied other murders and how to avoid detection as part of his preparations.

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According to gotsand, they did find comparable shoes. If those match the latent shoe print from the scene and have cellular matter still on them? Hard case to defend.

Data compilations before or after the murders? He kept the shoes?? DUMB A$$ if true.

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"Data compilations" of the victims

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Probably screenshots of instagram and other social media photos. I'd bet money some of you weirdos now have data compilations of the victims too.

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A really vague (and pointed) term for sure. No one is saying it was a wall full of candid photos connected with push pins and string.

Benefit of the doubt: Could be he searched the victims' names after hearing about the crime, like some weirdos here have.

The Fox story is better written than the Post one I linked. The Fox story would suggest they were looking for shoes and data, and it does not say they found them.

Given the magnitude of finding matching shoes, I'll bet the Post messed up here considering it's not reported everywhere.

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"Data compilations" of the victims

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Probably screenshots of instagram and other social media photos. I'd bet money some of you weirdos now have data compilations of the victims too.

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A really vague (and pointed) term for sure. No one is saying it was a wall full of candid photos connected with push pins and string.

Benefit of the doubt: Could be he searched the victims' names after hearing about the crime, like some weirdos here have.

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True but they will be date and time stamped. Coupled with 12 other times he was scoping out the neighborhood judging by cell phone pings and almost all of them late at night, good bet their are some that are pre-murder.

All goes to circumstantial evidence of premeditation, an element of the first degree capital murder charges..

I would imagine he dumped the actual shoes, but like many Vans wearers, it may not have been his only pair

Ms. Hawg,

What are conversations like between BK and his attorney. Do you think he's told her he did it or still saying he's innocent? Also, does she go visit with him and tell him what has been discovered? Does he have access to news in jail?

Thanks!

Does the one glove in the apartment match the glove found by the trash cans?

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I would imagine he dumped the actual shoes, but like many Vans wearers, it may not have been his only pair

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Good point.

But each bit of circumstantial evidence corroborates the other to form the building blocks of a case. On their own, not much, grouped together a narrative begins to form. Even if it if of "item X not inconsistent with a fragment found at the crime scene," and the like.

They did not have OJ's Bruno Maglis but had the store receipt showing he had purchased a pair prior to the double homicide and had pictures of him wearing them. Such pictures of BK wearing Vans shoes might also be in his digital files or that of his parents such as FB.

Forensics, in particular, DNA and trace evidence like hair will be the evidence that puts him at the crime scene.

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https://www.dickies.com/hats/flex-fleece-balaclava/WH401BK++AL.html?cm_mmc=google-_-PLA-_-accessories-hats-_-WH401&cm_mmc=google-_-PLA-_-Men-Hats-_-null&gclid=CjwKCAiAzp6eBhByEiwA_gGq5NhbduNplmniGYj2ZhqWzgcStiHKJVjfWmlG6bet6cV7Q0Gr-SeKkBoCnU8QAvD_BwE

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Spreadsheet updated; MsDouble helped with the crime....

Did he use a Ka-Bar or a Katana?

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Do Fire Sticks have on board storage? Why take this?

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You can use a Fire Stick to access a web browser. It's a pain in the ass and people usually only do it to access illegal streams. I'm assuming if he did that they'd be able to access his browsing history.

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Do they also record viewing history? I can see them interested in how much news coverage of the murders he viewed. Was he obsessively searching for news coverage and watching it?

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Ditches the coveralls but keeps the receipt and tags? Keeps bedclothes with stains instead of buying a cheap set of new sheets and pillowcases? Vacuums but doesn't empty the dust collector?

Not that smart after all.

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I am curious about the stains on the bed sheets and pillows… could be unrelated to the crime? Just wondering why in the hell he'd get in his bed with blood still on him, or why he would set blood soaked clothes on the bed. If his clothes has that much blood on him, it seems his car would have had to have been covered in it. How did he keep the car clean but then leave evidence in apartment? We'll have to see how it all shakes out. Just because they took it as possible evidence doesn't mean it actually is.

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A couple of thoughts. Could be his blood if he cut himself or was scratched deeply. Or maybe he's prone to nosebleeds? His car could have had seat covers that he then ditched or burned somewhere.

They apparently did not find the Vans shoes from what has been released. He could have ditched those too.

It is odd to only find one black nitrite glove, though. Doubt that glove has much if any evidence on it. Probably a spare.

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https://www.newsweek.com/glove-found-idaho-student-murder-home-raises-questions-1766313?amp=1

A single glove was found outside the Idaho home weeks after the murders. It is hard to believe it could have been missed by investigators or maybe one of the police or forensics team dropped one of their gloves and it has no connection to the killer. It could be huge though if it matches the one recovered from BKs apartment.

So this is just a macabre Cinderella Story?

I actually watched that stream of McDonough when he found it. Didn't get a real good closeup of it but it did not appear to be a nitrite glove to me. Then again it was covered with dirt and leaves and was likely covered by snow when the first several passes were made around the perimeter of the crime scene.

IIRC, the authorities also expanded the perimeter of the crime scene a few days after the murder. Would be quite ironic if that glove was connected to the crime scene and was located days later by a retired homicide detective who works cold cases now.

I enjoy his streams about this case not so much for him as for the very knowledgeable guests he brings on. Many of whom also work on cold cases. McDonough and his wife, basically live in an Airstream trailer and go all over the country reinvestigating cold cases.