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PA24 said:

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Food delivery at 4am?

What?

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It is truly amazing how many apparent Aggies on this board seemingly never went to college. "Food delivery at 4 a.m.? What?" "How many restaurants are open 24 hours though?"

It's a ****ing college town. College. CO-LLEGE. Of course there's kids up and eating food at 4 a.m. Of course there's restaurants open 24 hours. I can't even count the number of times my roommates and I ended up at Whataburger in the middle of night after partying or ordering Gumby's at 3 a.m. If they had door dash back in 2008, we for sure would have done that too.

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I majored in engineering, you know the buildings where the bathroom stalls have half written math problems.

Don't remember ever making a 4am food run as I was hanging on by a thread or at least that is how I felt.

VaultingChemist said:

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The knife sheath (with BK's DNA) seems to be the key piece of evidence. How does the PD discredit it, or does she try to get the judge to throw it out on a technicality?

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My current understandng is that the DNA on the snap is called "touch" DNA not blood nor saliva. Touch DNA can be transferred in different ways. Someone shakes his hand, and then touches the sheath? Could be a transfer there for instance.

aggiehawg said:

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PA24 said:

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Food delivery at 4am?

What?

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That doesnt seem uncommon for college kids to get food delivery at 4am after a night out lol. She probably ordered it at 3am and it took an hour or so to get there.

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How many restaurants are open 24 hours though? Or did they useDoor Dash to pickup food from the Grub Truck?

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As far as fast food chains of the type college kids would be ordering:
Whataburger, Taco Cabana, McDonald's, White Castle, Jack in the Box, Taco Bell (some of them), I-Hop, Denny's, Waffle House, House of Pies, Burger King, Steak n' Shake, etc. are 24/7.

I assume some of these and their equivalents operate in Idaho.

I don't have the computer skills but can anyone zoom further in to that tic tok and see which type of shoes he was wearing?

ETA: latent shoe print indicates a sole pattern consistent with Vans shoes

aggiehawg said:

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Now the authorities have access to his computers and other electronic devices. If he was following them on social media, instagram and the like and if he interracted with them.

They also will be able to find out if he was that reddit poster.

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I mentioned before but this will be fascinating- could there have been other targets he has been stalking - he now has a taste for this thing, thought he has gotten away with it, and is jonesing to do it again - and it could be documented?

Doesn't look like him to me. The tiktok guy looks older, slightly balding. Who knows, but I don't think it's him.

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I mentioned before but this will be fascinating- could there have been other targets he has been stalking - he now has a taste for this thing, thought he has gotten away with it, and is jonesing to do it again - and it could be documented?

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Certainly possible. If he was doing some new stalking after the murder in Moscow he was doing it without his cell phone on nor with him. No pings after the 9:15 AM visit day of the murders.

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Doesn't look like him to me. The tiktok guy looks older, slightly balding. Who knows, but I don't think it's him.

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I tend to agree. Although very similar, something seems different between the two.

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We dont know if the killer saw DT as she opened her door and observed him walking toward her just before he left through the sliding door.

It's plausible he didn't see her. He just brutally attacked 4 people, he was likely exhausted, had an elevated heart rate, full of adrenaline, and he was wearing a covid style mask (was he also wearing a hoodie?)., which may have become disheveled during the attacks and partially obstructing his view. Additionally it was very dark and there were cries and moans… so it's not like it was complete silence as DT opened her door.

I assumed DT didn't think he saw her. That's why she closed her door and didn't call anyone (didn't want to make a sound and alert the killer she was in there ).

I asked my wife what she would do. After reading the affidavit and looking at the maze like floor plan, no where to escape in DTs room, she mentioned she wouldve remained quiet , tried to quietly find something in the room to protect herself and place her back on the wall where she could see both the door and window in the room, while praying silently,

I then asked my wife if she would text anyone? She responded that he may have the roommates phones as a momento or picked them up so they could not alert authorities before they died; giving him longer to escape. She mentioned she wouldn't text anyone in the house . She would probably be frozen in place (and most others wouldn't get the text at 4:30 am until hours later).

I could see DT doing something similar and finally falling asleep from exhaustion on the floor of her room.

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So your wife wouldn't text other friends, parents, loved ones, post on Facebook or Instagram that there's an intruder in the house, quietly call 911, heck you can even text 911!! Not only that, but the roommate waited until noon to call the cops.

I get that everything is different looking back in retrospect, but it just seems odd.

I hadn't seen that - zero cell phone activity on that number since day of murder, like he threw phone out? - wouldn't that also be a sign of guilt?

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Doesn't look like him to me. The tiktok guy looks older, slightly balding. Who knows, but I don't think it's him.

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Agree. Hair seems a little lighter and a bit receding. Can't rule it out but seems unlikely

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I hadn't seen that - zero cell phone activity on that number since day of murder, like he threw phone out? - wouldn't that also be a sign of guilt?

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No you misunderstood. He still has the phone it just hadn't pinged on a tower servicing Moscow since that time. Well it did ping once but the police don't believe the phone was in Moscow, such as someone in Moscow calling or texting him, for instance.

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Here's what I don't get:

After seeing pictures of the OJ crime scene and multiple others from my DA buddies involving stabbing, there is just an unbelievable amount of blood. How in the F did this guy not track blood through the house, in the snow, in his car, everywhere? You would think that with not one but 4 people stabbed it would be impossible to stay clean.

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Tyvek body suit?

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HtownAg92 said:

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Here's what I don't get:

After seeing pictures of the OJ crime scene and multiple others from my DA buddies involving stabbing, there is just an unbelievable amount of blood. How in the F did this guy not track blood through the house, in the snow, in his car, everywhere? You would think that with not one but 4 people stabbed it would be impossible to stay clean.

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Tyvek body suit?

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AggiePetro07 said:

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HtownAg92 said:

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Here's what I don't get:

After seeing pictures of the OJ crime scene and multiple others from my DA buddies involving stabbing, there is just an unbelievable amount of blood. How in the F did this guy not track blood through the house, in the snow, in his car, everywhere? You would think that with not one but 4 people stabbed it would be impossible to stay clean.

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Tyvek body suit?

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Perhaps. I think he may have been wearing booties since it took advanced techniques to find the latent shoe print?

HtownAg92 said:

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Here's what I don't get:

After seeing pictures of the OJ crime scene and multiple others from my DA buddies involving stabbing, there is just an unbelievable amount of blood. How in the F did this guy not track blood through the house, in the snow, in his car, everywhere? You would think that with not one but 4 people stabbed it would be impossible to stay clean.

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could have had on painters booties or even 2 pair, slip one off and walk out with a clean pair?, they slip off very easy, I bet his clothes were covered but maybe not enough to drip? I wonder if they have found the actual weapon ? or his clothes? or other DNA from finger prints or possibly some of his blood?

ha, same answer as Hawg!

AggiePetro07 said:

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HtownAg92 said:

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Here's what I don't get:

After seeing pictures of the OJ crime scene and multiple others from my DA buddies involving stabbing, there is just an unbelievable amount of blood. How in the F did this guy not track blood through the house, in the snow, in his car, everywhere? You would think that with not one but 4 people stabbed it would be impossible to stay clean.

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Tyvek body suit?

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Even so, it's still pretty hard to take that off with the gloves and booties and not get contaminated, would still have to pack it out, don't see him leaving it there because there has to be DNA all over the inside of it. I say this from years of annual refresher training and not from experience in a homicide(s) for the FBI turds that are monitoring this forum.

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could have had on painters booties or even 2 pair, slip one off and walk out with a clean pair?, they slip off very easy, I bet his clothes were covered but maybe not enough to drip? I wonder if they have found the actual weapon ? or his clothes? or other DNA from finger prints or possibly some of his blood?

ha, same answer as Hawg!

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And the circuitous route he took back to Pullman through BFIdaho through wooded areas and deep rivers would be a great chance to dump the evidence that night.

I guess a coverup and booties, but several pairs? He went room to room, up and down stairs in between killings. I know that the eye witness freaked and her memory could be suspect, but she would probably remember if the dude was wearing some sort of safety or painting suit, or carrying a large ball of blood-soaked items while exiting.

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I guess a coverup and booties, but several pairs? He went room to room, up and down stairs in between killings. I know that the eye witness freaked and her memory could be suspect, but she would probably remember if the dude was wearing some sort of safety or painting suit, or carrying a large ball of blood-soaked items while exiting.

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It might explain why he didn't have the knife sheath secured to his belt as he wouldn't be able to access it easily?

VaultingChemist said:

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The knife sheath (with BK's DNA) seems to be the key piece of evidence. How does the PD discredit it, or does she try to get the judge to throw it out on a technicality?

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Good question. I've been wondering the same thing.

My guess is she will try everything, including an allegation that the police planted it. However, although police have been known to plant evidence, it is hard to convince juries of that unless there's some significant evidence supporting the allegation.

Jabin said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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The knife sheath (with BK's DNA) seems to be the key piece of evidence. How does the PD discredit it, or does she try to get the judge to throw it out on a technicality?

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Good question. I've been wondering the same thing.

My guess is she will try everything, including an allegation that the police planted it. However, although police have been known to plant evidence, it is hard to convince juries of that unless there's some significant evidence supporting the allegation.

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Or the injection of race and flipping the whole focus of the trial to the investigating officer. But even then, you would need a brain-dead inner-city jury and a famous athlete for it to work.

I wonder if the cell phone tracking data put him near the scene of the dog that was "filleted/skinned" a few weeks before. It was only about 3 miles from the students house. That could have been testing his knife work.

I wonder if she could have dialed 911, not said anything and just kept the line open? Wonder what 911 does in that case?

Hope the survivors get trauma therapy

so where was the suspect walking from? obviously wasn't coming down the stairs, or he would've been on top of DM when she opened her door.

also, were the sleuths wrong about DM the whole time in saying she was on the 1st floor, not knowing that one of the 1st floor bedrooms was not occupied?

what a weird home setup

Jabin said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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The knife sheath (with BK's DNA) seems to be the key piece of evidence. How does the PD discredit it, or does she try to get the judge to throw it out on a technicality?

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Good question. I've been wondering the same thing.

My guess is she will try everything, including an allegation that the police planted it. However, although police have been known to plant evidence, it is hard to convince juries of that unless there's some significant evidence supporting the allegation.

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Touch DNA can be attacked much easier than blood, saliva, skin or sweat DNA. And defensive wounds is not the same as scratching and getting skin under the victims fingermails. If he was wearing gloves unlikely there is that type of evidence. He was wearing a mask, so saliva would be held inside that. He probably was sweating and may have dripped some somewhere but it would have dried and not be as visible 4-5 hours later.

That leaves us with potential blood evidence from BK resulting from the knife slipping and cutting his hand through the gloves.

MsDoubleD81 said:

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I wonder if she could have dialed 911, not said anything and just kept the line open? Wonder what 911 does in that case?

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They dispatch.

10 Revelations: RECAP

It is implausible that the knife be planted by police and it had dna that matches the father who was 2000 miles away. You'd have to make the case that not only did they plant the knife but that they faked the dna evidence. Not gonna fly.

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How does d m report the assailant had bushy eyebrows if he had a mask on? This case is beyond bizarre

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Mask as in a Covid mask. It didn't cover his eyes.

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So BK is a lib too?? Even worse!!

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I suppose any serial killer is fairly socially liberal, at least when it comes to themselves. Maybe he was fiscally conservative, though; more of a libertarian.

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He was a registered libertarian in PA

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Well hot damn!