University of Idaho - 4 college students murdered

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aggiehawg said:

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Guess those points weren't covered in his Fall classes. Maybe part of the Spring curriculum.
I am unsure. Guy is not that stupid but made critical mistakes. Was the impulse to kill a later manifestation of his growing obsession with Maddie and/or Xana? His first stalking of the house was apparently August 21, 2022. Or was it?


Yeah, I tend to think that WAY too much is being made of the fact that he was a Criminology student. At a superficial level, I get how Joe Q Public sees that and thinks "ZOMG HE WAS LITERALLY MAJORING IN HOW TO BE A SERIAL KILLERRRRRR!!!". No, not really…

In fact, my wife has likely learned MUCH more about how she'll get away with offing me from watching 'Snapped' (a running joke between us) than someone could learn from a Psychology/Criminology degree plan.

Some of his missteps are easier for me to understand than others, which are just baffling.
- Was careful to turn his cellphone off right before the murders, but didn't turn it off during any of his TWELVE previous stalker visits since, as stated in the PCA, he wasn't there to commit a crime on those visits. I could see me doing something 'D'OH!' like that.

- Leaving the knife sheath. Heat of the moment, adrenaline pumping, worrying that things got too loud, time to bail…. I think that was just a good old fashioned and understandable 'oopsie'. Obviously a HUGE one. My big question in this element, though, is where did he put the knife prior to leaving the scene? Just stick it in his pocket? You'd think if he brought it to the scene in the sheath, he'd logically be intending to slide it back into the sheath before leaving. Seems like he'd be forced to notice it's absence. Makes me wonder if he DID notice it missing, looked for it, started hearing the roommate stirring and/or worrying that things got too loud and just had to bail knowing he left it somewhere. Small chance that's why he returned mid-morning? Act of desperation to see if he might still be able to slip in and out to retrieve it?

- Driving his own car to/from. Makes zero sense not only for a Criminology PhD, but for anyone with an IQ above 50. Everyone knows there's cameras every 50 feet these days. Biggest inexplicable element, in my opinion.

- Leaving Witness Chick who saw him alive. I don't think he saw her. Short of being in a super-hurry, I can't think of any reason why he'd leave her alive.
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aggiehawg said:

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It's not fully vegan. They just have vegan dishes.
OK. That is not consistent with the family member saying he forced his aunt and uncle to buy new pots and pans that never touched meat. Like it is a Kosher kitchen or something. Must have been a troll.
Ive heard the same complaints about Gluten
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Rodney Ruxin said:

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not hedge said:

He won't be in gen pop for that reason

Padron my ignorance, but has the rule changed? Depends on state? I ask because wasn't Dahmer killed in gen pop? Could be mistaken.
As I recall, he was being moved within the prison and protocol was not followed allowing another prisoner to have access to him. I think it was orchestrated from within.

Ahh, that makes much more sense. Similar thing happened to Whitey.


Dahmer couldn't handle the isolation and after about a year asked to be put in a genpop type setup with other prisoners. His lawyer advised against but he was adamant.
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the poor girl that saw him leave said he was dressed n black, she didn't mention any signs of blood on him.

Did he pull a Lizzy Borden and shower after he butchered these kids?


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PA24 said:

the poor girl that saw him leave said he was dressed n black, she didn't mention any signs of blood on him.

Did he pull a Lizzy Borden and shower after he butchered these kids?



Black fabric tends to not show having a lighter color, red blood, on it
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PA24 said:

the poor girl that saw him leave said he was dressed n black, she didn't mention any signs of blood on him.

Did he pull a Lizzy Borden and shower after he butchered these kids?




Well it was dark outside at the time and I believe she saw him out the window (could be wrong). Even if she saw him inside, I doubt it was lighted at all. It would probably be pretty difficult to see blood on black clothes in that context.
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Another thought on the traffic stops in Indiana. First of all, I have always assumed he was stopped because the authorities investigating the case and tracking him asked the Indiana police to do so. Either to positively ID who was in the car or get a look at his hands as we have heard. I think the second stop was an accident, that cop not knowing he had been stopped already.

So you have a cop, by himself, pulling over a suspect in four murders. Presumably armed and dangerous, probably on guard for getting stopped and arrested. Did the cop pulling him over know he was a suspect in a major murder investigation? Did he have any backup? I would think he should have some knowledge of what he was walking into when pulling the suspect over.
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Wonder if Dylan tried texting or calling the 4 to see who that was???
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I think DM was so freaked the **** out and numb from what she heard and saw that she actually froze. As in, snuck back in her own room, locked the door, knowing that a creek of the floor or click of the lock may result in her murder.

I'm guessing she probably lied awake in shock/panic/terror for hours in her room before passing out, waking up, re-freaking the **** back out, calling her friend, then the cops, then passing the **** out in terror/shock of knowing what she heard happened was actually a worst nightmare. What played out in her head had actually happened and she escaped alive.

My only question is did the killer see her and either a) he had already killed his targets and tunnel vision led to him making the decision to flee the scene b) he was concerned that DM may have already called LE and they may be closing in.

We are getting a clearer picture of what happened, when it happened, and who was involved, but I would be willing to bet there are at least a couple of shocking things we don't know about yet.
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My only question is did the killer see her and either a) he had already killed his targets and tunnel vision led to him making the decision to flee the scene b) he was concerned that DM may have already called LE and they may be closing in.


We are getting a clearer picture of what happened, when it happened, and who was involved, but I would be willing to bet there are at least a couple of shocking things we don't know about yet.
You have seen the route info after he left the scene that I posted before. Looks like he turned his phone on and off to get perhaps GPS coordinates and maps back to Pullman. There was a panic function at work for that.
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He also hadn't lived in the area long. After seeing some of the other decision he made, I could see him being so ****ing stupid that he actually didn't know how to navigate back to Pullman going a direction he hadn't gone before or didn't plan to go.



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suburban cowboy said:

He also hadn't lived in the area long. After seeing some of the other decision he made, I could see him being so ****ing stupid that he actually didn't know how to navigate back to Pullman going a direction he hadn't gone before or didn't plan to go.
We'll see.
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He was pinged at the house a few hours after the murders, why did he go back?

I'm thinking to see if it was reported. Once he saw it was as he left it, no cops around, he was convinced he was not seen.

Very proud of how well the Moscow police went about their business, knowing they had their guy two weeks in.

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PA24 said:

He was pinged at the house a few hours after the murders, why did he go back?

I'm thinking to see if it was reported. Once he saw it was as he left it, no cops around, he was convinced he was not seen.

Very proud of how well the Moscow police went about their business, knowing they had their guy two weeks in.


Weirdos like to return to the scene to watch the aftermath. He didn't get that gratification.
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In the floor plan image in the attached link, the vacant room, is actually Dylan's. The door to Dylan's room is on the same wall as the stairs from the 2 to 3 floor.

The window in Dylan's room opens to the deck on the back of the house adjacent to the sliding door he entered the residence (meaning someone on the deck could smash the window and gain entry).

Once she saw the suspect w a knife, she was likely terrified in shock and didn't have any good alternative to escape. If she thought he was waiting for her, I could see her too scared to call, alerting him that she was in there. She may have thought he had x, M and K's phone so she didn't want to text them or anyone in the house.

She was likely too scared to escape out the window, because he could be out there by the deck..
I could see her remaining in shock for several hours until someone (a friendly ) approached her.


https://www.google.com/search?q=floor+plan+of+1122+king+road&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwigx_T3_bH8AhWNmWoFHSb3AFYQ0pQJegQICBAB&biw=375&bih=628&dpr=2#imgrc=WetWNUu_LZRo9M&imgdii=hACZuCpsoeKXNM
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i think he realized he lost the sheath and panicked, but realized he couldn't go back in once he got there.
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That's right, police hadn't shown up yet when he came back.

That makes this even freakier.
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Maybe she fainted after locking herself in her room? Isn't she the one who fainted the next day when the cops were called?
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Swan Song said:

Maybe she fainted after locking herself in her room? Isn't she the one who fainted the next day when the cops were called?


Very likely. Remember the 1st Halloween movie, Jamie Lee Curtis' character is in trance after being terrorized by the killer. At the end of the first or second Friday the 13th movie, there is a girl who witnessed the killings and is still limp (in a trance) the next day as the police are holding her trying to console her. I imagine Dylan was terrorized into a prolonged state of shock for several hours. Likely a trance for several days.

I can't imagine the terror Dylan felt (and still likely feels).
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That poor girl

Can we please just take this guy out back and shoot him and be done with it
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Banfield had the Gonzalves on tonight and broached idea of death penalty. Mrs.said "I'm glad we live in idaho".
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So…

A Ka-Bar sheath is basically a leather strap with a belt loop.
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TexasRebel said:

So…

A Ka-Bar sheath is basically a leather strap with a belt loop.
The picture is in the affidavit.
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So if he used sliding door for entry and exit, he walked by Dylan's door 3 times?

K & M were 1st then X & E. Wonder if they were intended targets?
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And she saw him as he was LEAVING - surely covered in blood? This makes no sense!
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The poster on Reddit, who many think is the killer, is adamant X&E we're first then K&M, with M&X being the targets. This poster is also adamant about the order in each room (E, X then M& K)

This would have the killer walk in the sliding door turn left to X's room, attacking E then X. Then walking out going up the stairs , adjacent to Dylan's room, attack M & then K, then down the stairs passing Dylan's slightly opened door as he turned left exiting the sliding door on the rear porch.
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How does this redditor know so much
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neAGle96 said:

The poster on Reddit, who many think is the killer, is adamant X&E we're first then K&M, with M&X being the targets. This poster is also adamant about the order in each room (E, X then M& K)

This would have the killer walk in the sliding door turn left to X's room, attacking E then X. Then walking out going up the stairs , adjacent to Dylan's room, attack M & then K, then down the stairs passing Dylan's slightly opened door as he turned left exiting the sliding door on the rear porch.
He had to kill the young guy first else all hell breaks out. I m thinking the coward that he is, slits the throat of the young man as he sleeps or buries his knife into the heart, instant death. Then the POS attacks the woman who is found dead in the bathroom.

Evil possessed creep and needs to be sent to his master in hell.



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not hedge said:

How does this redditor know so much


Many think that user, "Insidelooking" is the killer and were calling him out (and notifying authorities) well before the arrest.

As mentioned earlier in this thread this user registered on Nov 22nd; 1122 is the address of the crime scene. Despite several dozen posts daily, this user hasn't posted since the arrest.

The only time since the account was created where there wasnt any activity, was a few days in mid December, which now correspond to the killers cross country drive from WA to PA.

Who know if it is him. There are some coincidences though and the user seems to know some inside information
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Did that poster post anytime the phone was off?
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TexasRebel said:

Did that poster post anytime the phone was off?
His posting stopped during the time the killer was traveling to Penn with his naive dad.

The poster was confident the killer was after X and M. The law has to be looking into this as he was claiming how the guy went in and out the sliding door, etc.
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Is that with a side view profile pic that looks like Jamie from yellowstone?
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No no.

I mean …

Hmm. Nevermind. 11/22 was after everything.
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PA24 said:

neAGle96 said:

The poster on Reddit, who many think is the killer, is adamant X&E we're first then K&M, with M&X being the targets. This poster is also adamant about the order in each room (E, X then M& K)

This would have the killer walk in the sliding door turn left to X's room, attacking E then X. Then walking out going up the stairs , adjacent to Dylan's room, attack M & then K, then down the stairs passing Dylan's slightly opened door as he turned left exiting the sliding door on the rear porch.
He had to kill the young guy first else all hell breaks out. I m thinking the coward that he is, slits the throat of the young man as he sleeps or buries his knife into the heart, instant death. Then the POS attacks the woman who is found dead in the bathroom.

Evil possessed creep and needs to be sent to his master in hell.



Unless I mis read the report earlier….no one was found in a bathroom. Ethan was on the bed, Xana was on the floor beside the bed, the girls were in bed together upstairs with the sheath on the bed next to them
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