AggiePetro07 said:

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bonfarr said:

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My theory is he was there specifically to kill Xana and Maddie. The boyfriend and KG were just collateral damage because they were in the same rooms as the intended victims.

I think it will be shown he met XK and MM at the restaurant they worked and he became infatuated with them, stalked them to their home, and planned to murder them.

The paralyzed in fear roommate wasn't an obstacle to his planned killing so he just brushed right past her.

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Doesn't a guy who already killed 4 just kill another to make sure no eye witnesses?

Everything else in your theory makes sense.

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That depends on his state of mind, I am no sociologist but if he was obsessed with killing the 2 and that was his major focus maybe once the deed was done his thought process just shifted to getting the hell out of there with no thought of worrying about witnesses, or he could have been in some kind of sociopathic fog where he had tunnel vision, sneak in and kill the girls and get out.

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not hedge said:

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I don't think I said he's a genius but I assumed he was smarter than he is, you can make me eat crow now

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Well, you would think that a guy working on a PhD in Criminology would be sharper when it comes to something like this. Why wouldn't you leave your phone at home? Have people really become that inseparable from them??

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Especially at 4:00 AM. Zero happening.

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aggiehawg said:

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torrid said:

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Skimmed the affidavit. What I picked up:

- One of the surviving roommates saw the murdered and described physical characteristics consistent with BK
- They have video surveillance documenting a white Elantra traveling from BK's residence to the murder location and back during the time frame of the murders
- They were able to tie his cell phone to the Elantra's location for at least part of the trip
- BK's DNA is a match for the knife sheath left behind at the scene

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That's the critical fact. Single source trace DNA evidence connects him to the murder scene, although I suspect they also have other DNA from mixed sources that also put him inside the house.

And then there is the shoe print. Can they connect the print to a pair that he owned? (Think Bruno Mali's in the OJ case.)

All in all, for a criminology student he sure was sloppy. Keeping his cell phone with him instead of using a burner phone, for instance. Leaving the knife sheath and/or not wiping that down, then using gloves to secure it to his person before using it that night. Anything that could be grabbed or fall off should have been wiped.

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Going to be hard to create reasonable doubt on the DNA on the knife sheath.

Anything in the affidavit about motive?

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No. But they don't need evidence as to motive. Not actually a core element for a murder charge.

For first degree murder, you do need premeditation hence the cell phone pings stalking of the house on 12 previous occasions being included.

Want to make this clear, I believe they have the right perpetrator, I just am bothered by some of the inconsistent information. I keep recalling the OJ trial and how doubt was used to get him off.

as others have stated- if you are going to make wild claims at least read the actual affidavit first!

Kohberger Killings

it is literally chilling.

DM is going to be having vicious nightmares for the rest of her life. I can't imagine the trauma of what she must be going through which is a living hell right now.

Hey, this is after all a forum for discussion. Not trying the case and certainly didn't mean to set you off. Apologies.

has anyone discussed THIS yet?

the suspect vehicle made FOUR trips around the block of the victims in the hours before the killings.

then, genius murderer drove DIRECTLY back to Pullman Washington at a high rate of speed.

brilliant!

aggiehawg said:

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torrid said:

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aggiehawg said:

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torrid said:

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Skimmed the affidavit. What I picked up:

- One of the surviving roommates saw the murdered and described physical characteristics consistent with BK
- They have video surveillance documenting a white Elantra traveling from BK's residence to the murder location and back during the time frame of the murders
- They were able to tie his cell phone to the Elantra's location for at least part of the trip
- BK's DNA is a match for the knife sheath left behind at the scene

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That's the critical fact. Single source trace DNA evidence connects him to the murder scene, although I suspect they also have other DNA from mixed sources that also put him inside the house.

And then there is the shoe print. Can they connect the print to a pair that he owned? (Think Bruno Mali's in the OJ case.)

All in all, for a criminology student he sure was sloppy. Keeping his cell phone with him instead of using a burner phone, for instance. Leaving the knife sheath and/or not wiping that down, then using gloves to secure it to his person before using it that night. Anything that could be grabbed or fall off should have been wiped.

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Going to be hard to create reasonable doubt on the DNA on the knife sheath.

Anything in the affidavit about motive?

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No. But they don't need evidence as to motive. Not actually a core element for a murder charge.

For first degree murder, you do need premeditation hence the cell phone pings stalking of the house on 12 previous occasions being included.

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Is just if I'm sitting on a jury, I want to know WHY one person killed another. It could definitely go a long way to eliminate reasonable doubt.

I wonder at what point he realized he had left his knife sheath? Killed two people, left, realized he left it, went back to get it and then ran into the other two and killed them.

But at some point he had to realize he left it and that his DNA would be on it. If so, time to disappear, or try to. Maybe he thought they would have to suspect him and get a DNA sample to link him to the sheath.

I'm going through the affidavit (horrific) and an early thought when they described what the roommate saw: you cannot put too much blame on her for not responding to seeing a dude with a mask because COVID made the wearing of a mask commonplace. She could have easily thought that a one-nighter was leaving and was still masking up.

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as others have stated- if you are going to make wild claims at least read the actual affidavit first!

Kohberger Killings

it is literally chilling.

DM is going to be having vicious nightmares for the rest of her life. I can't imagine the trauma of what she must be going through which is a living hell right now.

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I read it. It is unusual that she didn't call the cops very soon after. Now there are plenty of reasonable reasons why she wouldn't have, but it is still very unusual.

This is a message board. No need to get so bent out of shape for people noticing something like that.

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Hey, this is after all a forum for discussion. Not trying the case and certainly didn't mean to set you off. Apologies.

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I starred you.

I was not offended at all- just trying to always clear up misperceptions of the criminal justice system

and ensure everyone understands reality, be it in politics or legal issues.

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Want to make this clear, I believe they have the right perpetrator, I just am bothered by some of the inconsistent information. I keep recalling the OJ trial and how doubt was used to get him off.

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I think many of the inconsistencies are a result of public extrapolation and assumption rather than official police statements, which have been minimal in content.

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I'm going through the affidavit (horrific) and an early thought when they described what the roommate saw: you cannot put too much blame on her for not responding to seeing a dude with a mask because COVID made the wearing of a mask commonplace. She could have easily thought that a one-nighter was leaving and was still masking up.

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Yes, but she did state that she was essentially paralyzed with fear and shut and locked the door. She knew something was wrong.

Hell, she may have been terrified he was still possibly in the house or she didn't want to confront what she knew was probably reality. No telling how one will act in that situation.

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I wonder at what point he realized he had left his knife sheath? Killed two people, left, realized he left it, went back to get it and then ran into the other two and killed them.

But at some point he had to realize he left it and that his DNA would be on it. If so, time to disappear, or try to. Maybe he thought they would have to suspect him and get a DNA sample to link him to the sheath.

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I posted this on the last page because I don't know how DNA works and if it sticks to leather or not, etc...but they said they found the single source sample on the snap. Also says the knife had USMC stuff on it, etc.

Maybe he thought he had cleaned it completely and wiped it clean and intended to leave it there to get authorities on the trail of a member of the Marines? just didn't realize he left some dna on it? not sure.

AggiePetro07 said:

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LMCane said:

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as others have stated- if you are going to make wild claims at least read the actual affidavit first!

Kohberger Killings

it is literally chilling.

DM is going to be having vicious nightmares for the rest of her life. I can't imagine the trauma of what she must be going through which is a living hell right now.

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I read it. It is unusual that she didn't call the cops very soon after. Now there are plenty of reasonable reasons why she wouldn't have, but it is still very unusual.

This is a message board. No need to get so bent out of shape for people noticing something like that.

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My responses are not personal or directed at any specific poster or person. They are general in nature.

it's very interesting the PD will not release the names of the female witnesses in the affidavit, even though everyone knows their names at this point.

at any rate, instead of those two girls being conspirators to murder 4 friends, they are likely going to be on psychotropic drugs the rest of their lives and basically their lives are ruined.

no matter how "happy" they will be on any day, they will likely remember this event for the rest of their lives.

and DM is completely going to be in therapy the rest of her life- coming face to face with the killer. the guilt and trauma and horror will be very hard to overcome.

and if we have random folks on here postulating she was HELPING the murderer- well that is probably not going to be great for her mental health either.

One would think a PhD candidate in criminology would be well-versed with the OJ case and gloves.

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earlier in the thread some poster was claiming this was a very intelligent defendant and I went after him for stating that.

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It's like you read what I posted, took away what you wanted, got corrected, and have gone back to your complete misunderstanding.

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bonfarr said:

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I wonder where he bought the K-bar knife and sheath? If he bought it at a gun show or on a roadside stand somewhere there won't be a record but I imagine the FBI is pouring over his credit cards to see if he bought one online at some point in the past

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I was given one as a groomsman gift. they seem to be pretty common.

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I have one in every vehicle. Good survival tool.

Agree, but (I think you or someone already mentioned this) I'd also think he would have been smart enough to leave his phone on and connected to something (bluetooth or just have it stream a movie) in his apartment while leaving to go do the deed instead of just turn it off on his way there and on as he's getting back.

AggiePetro07 said:

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LMCane said:

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as others have stated- if you are going to make wild claims at least read the actual affidavit first!

Kohberger Killings

it is literally chilling.

DM is going to be having vicious nightmares for the rest of her life. I can't imagine the trauma of what she must be going through which is a living hell right now.

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I read it. It is unusual that she didn't call the cops very soon after. Now there are plenty of reasonable reasons why she wouldn't have, but it is still very unusual.

This is a message board. No need to get so bent out of shape for people noticing something like that.

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No one has officially said that the eye witness ever called the cops. It could have been the other surviving roommate that called once she got up.

Maybe, as others have guessed, the eye witness didn't realize what she was witnessing, blew it off as a house guest leaving, and went to bed at almost 5 am sleeping till noon?

There's just not enough information in a one-sided PCA to come to conclusions aside from the fact that the arrest was backed by hard evidence.

bonfarr said:

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My theory is he was there specifically to kill Xana and Maddie. The boyfriend and KG were just collateral damage because they were in the same rooms as the intended victims.

I think it will be shown he met XK and MM at the restaurant they worked and he became infatuated with them, stalked them to their home, and planned to murder them.

The paralyzed in fear roommate wasn't an obstacle to his planned killing so he just brushed right past her.

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This is basically what I think. I don't think he saw the roommate though.

Also the report says DM saw the guy in black not that he saw her she was probably scared ****less

She was quoted as being "…frozen in a shock phase."

LMCane said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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LMCane said:

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as others have stated- if you are going to make wild claims at least read the actual affidavit first!

Kohberger Killings

it is literally chilling.

DM is going to be having vicious nightmares for the rest of her life. I can't imagine the trauma of what she must be going through which is a living hell right now.

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I read it. It is unusual that she didn't call the cops very soon after. Now there are plenty of reasonable reasons why she wouldn't have, but it is still very unusual.

This is a message board. No need to get so bent out of shape for people noticing something like that.

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My responses are not personal or directed at any specific poster or person. They are general in nature.

it's very interesting the PD will not release the names of the female witnesses in the affidavit, even though everyone knows their names at this point.

at any rate, instead of those two girls being conspirators to murder 4 friends, they are likely going to be on psychotropic drugs the rest of their lives and basically their lives are ruined.

no matter how "happy" they will be on any day, they will likely remember this event for the rest of their lives.

and DM is completely going to be in therapy the rest of her life- coming face to face with the killer. the guilt and trauma and horror will be very hard to overcome.

and if we have random folks on here postulating she was HELPING the murderer- well that is probably not going to be great for her mental health either.

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Understand your points. I doubt those girls are reading message board content on murders that happened in their own house.

It is undeniably odd that she didn't call the police as soon as possible given what was stated in the affidavit. To make conjectures about potential involvement isn't immoral or cruel, maybe a bit insensitive. It's almost a certainty those who have the ability and charge to investigate that have and will do so further.

It will be interesting to see the full body of gathered evidence.

Not calling the cops is odd, but there are several possible explanations.

LMCane said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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LMCane said:

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as others have stated- if you are going to make wild claims at least read the actual affidavit first!

Kohberger Killings

it is literally chilling.

DM is going to be having vicious nightmares for the rest of her life. I can't imagine the trauma of what she must be going through which is a living hell right now.

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I read it. It is unusual that she didn't call the cops very soon after. Now there are plenty of reasonable reasons why she wouldn't have, but it is still very unusual.

This is a message board. No need to get so bent out of shape for people noticing something like that.

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and DM is completely going to be in therapy the rest of her life- coming face to face with the killer. the guilt and trauma and horror will be very hard to overcome.

and if we have random folks on here postulating she was HELPING the murderer- well that is probably not going to be great for her mental health either.

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Not only that, but also knowing that if she had called 911 right away, she mightve been able to save a life or two right after the killer had left. I assume the 4 victims didnt die right away after getting stabbed, and could have been saved with medical attention?

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It is undeniably odd that she didn't call the police as soon as possible given what was stated in the affidavit.

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Disagree completely. Her mindset wasn't "my friends just got stabbed to death." She had no idea what was going on, could have been inebriated, had no clue who that was, didn't hear any further words from her roommates, it was late as ***** Lots of things going on here that would lead her to either go back into her room and sleep off a drunk, go into her room scared of whoever it was (but again not thinking anything happened), go into her room thinking it was the dude she heard talking to one of the girls saying 'it's going to be ok' etc.

It's very easy in hindsight to say "why didn't she call the police if she said she was in a state of shock when the guy walked by her."

Right now it's not undeniably odd at all based on what we've read.

ea1060 said:

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LMCane said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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LMCane said:

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as others have stated- if you are going to make wild claims at least read the actual affidavit first!

Kohberger Killings

it is literally chilling.

DM is going to be having vicious nightmares for the rest of her life. I can't imagine the trauma of what she must be going through which is a living hell right now.

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I read it. It is unusual that she didn't call the cops very soon after. Now there are plenty of reasonable reasons why she wouldn't have, but it is still very unusual.

This is a message board. No need to get so bent out of shape for people noticing something like that.

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and DM is completely going to be in therapy the rest of her life- coming face to face with the killer. the guilt and trauma and horror will be very hard to overcome.

and if we have random folks on here postulating she was HELPING the murderer- well that is probably not going to be great for her mental health either.

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Not only that, but also knowing that if she had called 911 right away, she mightve been able to save a life or two right after the killer had left. I assume the 4 victims didnt die right away after getting stabbed, and could have been saved with medical attention?

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not sure how you conclude that when the corner said they were really horrific injuries I read somewhere one of the girls was nearly decapitated.