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I think he's setting the stage for increasing the reliability of the cell tracking data. Syncing it's pings with video of the car, not just the day of the crime.

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Thanks, and I agree...it's just this part specifically that throws me: "The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. "

Is the point that he turned off his phone (a day after the murders) or maybe that his phone just doesn't get service in that area (no pings)? It's almost 3 hours of no network reports but is not on the day of the murders...maybe I am being obtuse, but I just don't understand what they are saying.

Speculation it was jack in the box as there was a bag in photos with her name on it. But those could have been photoshopped.

Mark Fairchild said:

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Correct me if I am wrong. First degree murder with punishment of death has to prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" the guilt of the perpetrator? If I am a defense attorney, and I am NOT, I see this case with many places to create doubt. I trust your take on this.

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Beyond reasonable doubt is the standard.

But the probable cause affidavit is enough evidence to obtain the arrest warrant. That is not a fraction of the total evidence collected so too soon to tell which avenues of attack the defense might have.

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I wonder where he bought the K-bar knife and sheath? If he bought it at a gun show or on a roadside stand somewhere there won't be a record but I imagine the FBI is pouring over his credit cards to see if he bought one online at some point in the past

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I was given one as a groomsman gift. they seem to be pretty common.

It's a good question. Seems they are trying to imply he turned off his phone at a time when it is reasonable to conclude he could have been stalking the house. Seems a bit flimsy, but I assume in court there would be all kinds of maps, etc. I couldn't read the maps on the PCA copy I downloaded.

earlier in the thread some poster was claiming this was a very intelligent defendant and I went after him for stating that.

here we have a guy that plans this entire murder spree for months....

leaves the knife sheath behind.

but he's a criminal genius!

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Exactly. Putting him at the scene with car photos and cell pings doesn't do much unless they can place him inside the house.

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You didn't read it, did you.

They found the knife sheath inside one of the bedrooms. There was DNA on that knife. They pulled DNA from the trash can of the dad in Pennsylvania. DNA said that the DNA from the trash in PA matched as the father of the DNA on the knife sheath found inside the bedroom where a murder happened, and that DNA is the suspect.

Probable cause there is pretty darned easy. Heck, that might be enough to get the conviction, but there will be plenty more.

Again, the dude is toast.

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Agree with this 100%. The defense isn't going to explain away the DNA evidence assuming it's conclusive. Everything else will be icing on the cake.

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Now that the arrest affidavit details are known BKs family must be devastated. Prior to the release they could believe in their son and his pleas of innocence but they must be coming to the realization that the sick SOB did the crime. I can't imagine how I would handle that if it were my son.

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Unless there is background or history that makes it impossible to deny... I think most people first try really, really hard to rationalize every fact to find a way to believe that he could be innocent.

But there are two (probably many more) possibilities from other cases of mass murderer types that come to mind..

1) he is product of a messed up home, and thus, they will not behave or react in a manner that will be familiar to most of us
2) He is a psychopath, and his parents and those around him will truly be shocked. I think this will be what we find, because they are already on record saying this is out of character. Psychopathic people are masterful as manipulating the way others perceive them. That's why you so often hear something like "I never would have thought he could have done something like this" about school shooters.

I get random people in and out of the house all hours of the day and night, staying up into 4:00 a.m., and noises all night; that's college life for a lot of people. I also understand being young, naive, and trusting. However, I don't understand why it took so long to call the police. You find your roommates (who have been brutally murdered) unresponsive and call your friends to come over because you think they are alive and drank too much?? I would love to read the statements of the roommates and their friends.

I don't think I said he's a genius but I assumed he was smarter than he is, you can make me eat crow now

The fact that he cased the house many times ahead of time is a significant lead. No doubt, the police will uncover connections between BK and at the victims that led him to pick them out.

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I get random people in and out of the house all hours of the day and night, staying up into 4:00 a.m., and noises all night; that's college life for a lot of people. I also understand being young, naive, and trusting. However, I don't understand why it took so long to call the police. You find your roommates (who have been brutally murdered) unresponsive and call your friends to come over because you think they are alive and drank too much?? I would love to read the statements of the roommates and their friends.

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She could have also just been drunk as a skunk and passed out herself. After she wakes up and her friends are hacked to death she starts putting pieces together.

I keep coming back to that. Police would not include that in the probable cause affidavit, that's the defense attorney's job. Note, the judge ordered no contact between roommates and families.

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You didn't read it, did you.

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I've read it two three times now. My point is the single source DNA sample from the sheath is the most important because that puts him inside and corroborates the other evidence of his car being there with ring doorbell video and cell phone pings. They even got a pen register/phone tap on his cell phone from the time to when he obtained the phone in June until the date of the affidavit.

That means they will be able to see how many other times he might have had contact or been in the vicinity of one or more of the victims. Clearly from the stalking of the house on 12 occasions before the murders indicated an obsession with someone so he likely followed them more than once.

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Ok, then I obviously didn't read your post correctly. We are making the same observant. Sorry about that!

My 2 cents…

The killers adrenaline was running and he was focused on getting out quickly.

With the dog barking, cries and moans of the victims, plus his rush to get out of dodge, while his face was partially covered, it's entirely possible he walked past one of the surviving roommates (especially if the door was only partially opened) and didn't notice while the house was pitch black.

Also recall it was reported struggled w Kaylee (sheaf lost from his person seems to corroborate that), so his state so his heart rate was likely elevated and he wasn't as keen as he would be in a casual stroll through a well lite house.

To me it's likely the room mate was frozen in fear. Perhaps she thought he was waiting just outside her door after she locked it. Perhaps she was wondering if he noticed her and didn't want to call 911 and have him do her in while on the phone.

Who knows why she didn't text her friends or someone else for help. I can only surmise she was in shock

Who knew on a day this definitive in the case where the probable cause is right there in writing that id find justification to block multiple nincompoops on here for idiotic statements.

Things bother me about this case.
1. Police or law enforcement quickly say that all the live roommates were on the bottom floor of the house, were asleep, and heard nothing. This is what they told the public.
2. Affidavit reveals that the one roommate was on the second floor and heard crying, and saw the perpetrator.
3. Said roommate, sees a masked person dressed in black and has heard crying and talking and does not immediately call 911. Perhaps drugs and alcohol were involved. No reports of the two live roommates having a toxicology test done.
4. Roommate does not go to see if anyone is harmed after hearing and seeing what she reports she heard and saw.
5. No 911 calls until seven hours later. Perhaps time to sober up and clean up drugs and paraphernalia from scene.
6. Why not call authorities instead of peers for help? You contaminate the crime scene and your friends are dead. I say this because after three hours, you know when someone is alive or dead and not unconscious.
7. Toxicology test results for the victims have not been reported. Only cause of death. That should be informative as to the physical state of the victims during the attack.

Too many loose ends, too many facts that have turned into false statements. I don't believe the roommate is telling the truth. I do believe that drug use was involved. I do believe that perpetrator and victims knew one another.

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gotsand said:

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I think he's setting the stage for increasing the reliability of the cell tracking data. Syncing it's pings with video of the car, not just the day of the crime.

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Thanks, and I agree...it's just this part specifically that throws me: "The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. "

Is the point that he turned off his phone (a day after the murders) or maybe that his phone just doesn't get service in that area (no pings)? It's almost 3 hours of no network reports but is not on the day of the murders...maybe I am being obtuse, but I just don't understand what they are saying.

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Murders happened at 4:15ish AM on Nov 13.

Later that day on Nov 13th in the evening his phone turns off again as he's driving towards another town for 3 hours. Johnson, ID is 2 hours from Pullman and in the middle of absolutely nowhere. I don't even know if it's an actual incorporated town.

IMO this is when he decided to cloak his location in an effort to hide the murder weapon/burn clothes and evidence etc.

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This makes sense. Thanks for adding some color that may or may not turn out to be true, but at least helps me wrap my brain around the possible importance of the notation.

I agree this makes complete sense. Especially since there was a previous leak that he was pinging cell towers in the same location as "the victims" before he murder, but that wasn't mentioned in this release...that info will come out in time though if it is the motive.

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I don't think I said he's a genius but I assumed he was smarter than he is, you can make me eat crow now

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Well, you would think that a guy working on a PhD in Criminology would be sharper when it comes to something like this. Why wouldn't you leave your phone at home? Have people really become that inseparable from them??

Mark Fairchild said:

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Things bother me about this case.
1. Police or law enforcement quickly say that all the live roommates were on the bottom floor of the house, were asleep, and heard nothing. This is what they told the public.
2. Affidavit reveals that the one roommate was on the second floor and heard crying, and saw the perpetrator.
3. Said roommate, sees a masked person dressed in black and has heard crying and talking and does not immediately call 911. Perhaps drugs and alcohol were involved. No reports of the two live roommates having a toxicology test done.
4. Roommate does not go to see if anyone is harmed after hearing and seeing what she reports she heard and saw.
5. No 911 calls until seven hours later. Perhaps time to sober up and clean up drugs and paraphernalia from scene.
6. Why not call authorities instead of peers for help? You contaminate the crime scene and your friends are dead. I say this because after three hours, you know when someone is alive or dead and not unconscious.
7. Toxicology test results for the victims have not been reported. Only cause of death. That should be informative as to the physical state of the victims during the attack.

Too many loose ends, too many facts that have turned into false statements. I don't believe the roommate is telling the truth. I do believe that drug use was involved. I do believe that perpetrator and victims knew one another.

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Do you have a link to the police saying this?

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My theory is he was there specifically to kill Xana and Maddie. The boyfriend and KG were just collateral damage because they were in the same rooms as the intended victims.

I think it will be shown he met XK and MM at the restaurant they worked and he became infatuated with them, stalked them to their home, and planned to murder them.

The paralyzed in fear roommate wasn't an obstacle to his planned killing so he just brushed right past her.

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Doesn't a guy who already killed 4 just kill another to make sure no eye witnesses?

Everything else in your theory makes sense.

Bunk Moreland said:

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I get random people in and out of the house all hours of the day and night, staying up into 4:00 a.m., and noises all night; that's college life for a lot of people. I also understand being young, naive, and trusting. However, I don't understand why it took so long to call the police. You find your roommates (who have been brutally murdered) unresponsive and call your friends to come over because you think they are alive and drank too much?? I would love to read the statements of the roommates and their friends.

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She could have also just been drunk as a skunk and passed out herself. After she wakes up and her friends are hacked to death she starts putting pieces together.

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Dude, seriously? Poor choice of wording….

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Skimmed the affidavit. What I picked up:

- One of the surviving roommates saw the murdered and described physical characteristics consistent with BK
- They have video surveillance documenting a white Elantra traveling from BK's residence to the murder location and back during the time frame of the murders
- They were able to tie his cell phone to the Elantra's location for at least part of the trip
- BK's DNA is a match for the knife sheath left behind at the scene

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That's the critical fact. Single source trace DNA evidence connects him to the murder scene, although I suspect they also have other DNA from mixed sources that also put him inside the house.

And then there is the shoe print. Can they connect the print to a pair that he owned? (Think Bruno Mali's in the OJ case.)

All in all, for a criminology student he sure was sloppy. Keeping his cell phone with him instead of using a burner phone, for instance. Leaving the knife sheath and/or not wiping that down, then using gloves to secure it to his person before using it that night. Anything that could be grabbed or fall off should have been wiped.

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Going to be hard to create reasonable doubt on the DNA on the knife sheath.

Anything in the affidavit about motive?

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Crazy Theory, one of roommates made deal with BK to kill other roommates because of jealousy? Would make the "is anybody else arrested" sentence make sense

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Definitely crazy theory, if you were jealous and enough of a sociopath to want four of your roommates to be brutally murdered would you be in the home when the murders went down? I would think you wouldn't want to be anywhere near there to avoid the bloodbath and to have an alibi.

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because it's totally common for 19 year old college girls to become so jealous of their friends they work with a homicidal maniac to cut off their heads.

happens all the time!!

Mark Fairchild said:

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Things bother me about this case.
1. Police or law enforcement quickly say that all the live roommates were on the bottom floor of the house, were asleep, and heard nothing. This is what they told the public.
2. Affidavit reveals that the one roommate was on the second floor and heard crying, and saw the perpetrator.
3. Said roommate, sees a masked person dressed in black and has heard crying and talking and does not immediately call 911. Perhaps drugs and alcohol were involved. No reports of the two live roommates having a toxicology test done.
4. Roommate does not go to see if anyone is harmed after hearing and seeing what she reports she heard and saw.
5. No 911 calls until seven hours later. Perhaps time to sober up and clean up drugs and paraphernalia from scene.
6. Why not call authorities instead of peers for help? You contaminate the crime scene and your friends are dead. I say this because after three hours, you know when someone is alive or dead and not unconscious.
7. Toxicology test results for the victims have not been reported. Only cause of death. That should be informative as to the physical state of the victims during the attack.

Too many loose ends, too many facts that have turned into false statements. I don't believe the roommate is telling the truth. I do believe that drug use was involved. I do believe that perpetrator and victims knew one another.

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I am not sure #1 is accurate. I remember watching the video the guy posted with the extensive description of the apartment. he made it clear that while most THOUGHT the two survivors were on the bottom floor, it was not certain. I think that's been the conclusion of the internet sleuths. I could be wrong. I do think you are correct that police say they didn't hear anything... and that doesn't EXACTLY contradict the affidavit, depending on how you interpret the police statement.

I'd be curious what lawyers will say about whether or not public police updates and their accuracy mean to the value of the evidence. I don't think they are a problem.

another interesting thing...it said a single source DNA sample was found on the button snap of the sheath. But they didn't find any DNA elsewhere on the sheath? or would it not stick to the leather?

Could it be that he thought he has wiped the sheath clean, wanted to leave it (with UMSC stuff on it) to try and throw police off of him and onto a military guy, but he left one little piece of evidence on the snap?

Mark Fairchild said:

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Things bother me about this case.
1. Police or law enforcement quickly say that all the live roommates were on the bottom floor of the house, were asleep, and heard nothing. This is what they told the public.
2. Affidavit reveals that the one roommate was on the second floor and heard crying, and saw the perpetrator.
3. Said roommate, sees a masked person dressed in black and has heard crying and talking and does not immediately call 911. Perhaps drugs and alcohol were involved. No reports of the two live roommates having a toxicology test done.
4. Roommate does not go to see if anyone is harmed after hearing and seeing what she reports she heard and saw.
5. No 911 calls until seven hours later. Perhaps time to sober up and clean up drugs and paraphernalia from scene.
6. Why not call authorities instead of peers for help? You contaminate the crime scene and your friends are dead. I say this because after three hours, you know when someone is alive or dead and not unconscious.
7. Toxicology test results for the victims have not been reported. Only cause of death. That should be informative as to the physical state of the victims during the attack.

Too many loose ends, too many facts that have turned into false statements. I don't believe the roommate is telling the truth. I do believe that drug use was involved. I do believe that perpetrator and victims knew one another.

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When did they release the name of the 911 caller? Do we know it's even the same girl?