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Any chance this stuff was planted/made up to help get the guy they thought did it?

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Investigators were on scene as soon as they received the calls. How could the evidence have been planted immediately (because the investigators on scene would have found it within minutes) to frame someone? And all the guy's movements align with him doing it? That would be truly miraculous.

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Drove back to Moscow and the scene at 9am? Why?

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As fkc said, SOP to see the scene and the activity there.

But, he could also have been looking to see if the sheath was on the ground outside so he could retrieve it. He may have realized almost immediately that he screwed himself with that.

tk for tu juan said:

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Drove back to Moscow and the scene at 9am? Why?

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Maybe he was looking for his sheath

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Skimmed the affidavit. What I picked up:

- One of the surviving roommates saw the murdered and described physical characteristics consistent with BK
- They have video surveillance documenting a white Elantra traveling from BK's residence to the murder location and back during the time frame of the murders
- They were able to tie his cell phone to the Elantra's location for at least part of the trip
- BK's DNA is a match for the knife sheath left behind at the scene

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That's the critical fact. Single source trace DNA evidence connects him to the murder scene, although I suspect they also have other DNA from mixed sources that also put him inside the house.

And then there is the shoe print. Can they connect the print to a pair that he owned? (Think Bruno Mali's in the OJ case.)

All in all, for a criminology student he sure was sloppy. Keeping his cell phone with him instead of using a burner phone, for instance. Leaving the knife sheath and/or not wiping that down, then using gloves to secure it to his person before using it that night. Anything that could be grabbed or fall off should have been wiped.

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Crazy Theory, one of roommates made deal with BK to kill other roommates because of jealousy? Would make the "is anybody else arrested" sentence make sense

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That's what I'm getting at. Maybe since he was stalking the girls (frequently visiting the restaurant/driving by the house/etc) he befriended the roommates. They voiced frustration of the roommates or whatever and opened the door to him suggesting the idea. Then the plan ensued.

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Still confused that the roommate saw him and heard cries and didn't call the police. Just bizarre.

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Or alcohol. I am guessing she wasn't sober.

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Still confused that the roommate saw him and heard cries and didn't call the police. Just bizarre.

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You have to know the cops are like "WTF, lady?"

Stress will screw you up though.

Did she see a knife in his hand???????

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Did she see a knife in his hand???????

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To me that doesn't matter because of what she claims she felt. I'm sure that house had plenty of random people/one night stands in it. I'm sure it wouldn't be uncommon to open your door to a stranger and being startled only to realize it was someone your roommate brought home. Why in this case did she freeze in fear? If you say the mask, fine that's fair. Why would she not go back in the room and text her roommates something like "which one of y'all brought home the creepy guy?" ???

Also, I saw someone mention it was dark and BK may not have seen the door open. Ok, he just brutally murdered four people and trying to escape the crime scene. In the dead of night. I would imagine his senses were incredibly heightened. How would he not hear a door opening and closing several times especially as he walked by it? Plus, he had been stalking the house. How would he not know there are two others inside the house, and if he did know give me one reasonable explanation why they were spared?

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Did she see a knife in his hand???????

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The probable cause statement did not say one way or the other.

Not necessarily towards you, just thoughts:
All good questions regarding what the witness did, and why, after shutting her door. Hopefully, these questions were addressed to the satisfaction of investigators during her interviews.

Important to remember that this statement is only intended to establish a basis for an arrest warrant. I would caution against casting accusations by reading between the lines.

IMO, if upheld in court the way it was presented in the PCA, the DNA evidence on the sheath is nails.

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Additional analysis of records for the 8458 Phone indicated that between approximately 5:32 p.m. and 5:36 p.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to Johnson, ID. The 8458 Phone then stops reporting to the network from approximately 5:36 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. That is consistent with the 8458 Phone being the area that the 8458 Phone traveled in the hours immediately following the suspected time the homicides occurred.

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What is the implication? Why would the phone stop reporting to the network on a different day and time have any relevance to the day/time of the murder? Just confused me.

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I think he's setting the stage for increasing the reliability of the cell tracking data. Syncing it's pings with video of the car, not just the day of the crime.

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The FBI's stop him to get pictures of his hands does not give my a warm fuzzy about the case. If they have the DNA evidence, why the need to look at his hands, which probably had healed by then anyway?

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I have also wondered if any of the students were he was a TA that said he was off noticed cuts on his hands. You would have assumed there would be quite a bit of cuts or bruising or something on his hands having brutally killed 4 people.

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Makes sense now, why he wore gives to the grocery store shortly after the murders, as some have reported

Heart breaking to read the roommate heard one of the girls crying.

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We have never done genetic testing, but I did send a cheek swab in to BeTheMatch when my friend was dying of leukemia and needed a bone marrow transplant.

Anyway, my mom has 6 brothers and sisters and my husband has about 50 cousins so either way I will not be murdering anyone soon since there is surely multiple uploaders in our network we dont even know about.

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There was a time back in the 1980s when I was in the third row of the second deck at Kyle Field. Some drunken and obnoxious frat daddy was sitting in front of us being drunk and obnoxious. I thought about pushing him over the rail, but the thought of having to talk to the cops and delaying me at the bar deterred that decision.

The brutality of these murders is just sickening. His parents must really be questioning themselves at this point.

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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Did she see a knife in his hand???????

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The probable cause statement did not say one way or the other.

Not necessarily towards you, just thoughts:
All good questions regarding what the witness did, and why, after shutting her door. Hopefully, these questions were addressed to the satisfaction of investigators during her interviews.

Important to remember that this statement is only intended to establish a basis for an arrest warrant. I would caution against casting accusations by reading between the lines.

IMO, if upheld in court the way it was presented in the PCA, the DNA evidence on the sheath is nails.

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Exactly. Putting him at the scene with car photos and cell pings doesn't do much unless they can place him inside the house.

From hearing, kept no bail even though public defender asked for change, and no contact order for surviving roommates and families of victims.

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Crazy Theory, one of roommates made deal with BK to kill other roommates because of jealousy? Would make the "is anybody else arrested" sentence make sense

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Definitely crazy theory, if you were jealous and enough of a sociopath to want four of your roommates to be brutally murdered would you be in the home when the murders went down? I would think you wouldn't want to be anywhere near there to avoid the bloodbath and to have an alibi.

DNA evidence is obviously the major one. Then everything after that will be corroborating Including the cell pings, phone turned off/on, the many previous middle-of-the-night trips to the residence, and any future info they can glean from his phone/tablets/computers on searches, prior history with any of the victims etc.

I mean it's a big stretch at this point and the girl just sounds more frozen in fear and not capable of making the right decisions at the time given the circumstances but ….

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Did she see a knife in his hand???????

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The probable cause statement did not say one way or the other.

Not necessarily towards you, just thoughts:
All good questions regarding what the witness did, and why, after shutting her door. Hopefully, these questions were addressed to the satisfaction of investigators during her interviews.

Important to remember that this statement is only intended to establish a basis for an arrest warrant. I would caution against casting accusations by reading between the lines.

IMO, if upheld in court the way it was presented in the PCA, the DNA evidence on the sheath is nails.

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Exactly. Putting him at the scene with car photos and cell pings doesn't do much unless they can place him inside the house.

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And, "random party dude, DNA" isn't generally found on a ka-bar sheath.

What does one order from Doordash at 4am?

IHOP?

For all of the roommate connection theories, didn't they come out early on and state that the roommates had been completely cleared anyways?

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The speculation about accomplices and the roommate(s) being in on it is ridiculous. These women are going to have to be dealing with this trauma for the rest of their lives and people like y'all are going to add those conspiracy theories on top of it.

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Agree. The girl heard a dog bark and thought she heard a guy say it's going to be ok to one of her roommates. She's not already in "everyone is murdered" mode. So she opens the door in dark of night, sees a creep, freezes just out of being scared like many girls would in that situation, then goes back in her room.

And maybe she does try to text/DM the others but just assumes they go to sleep. Maybe she sat scared ****less in her bed for hours until someone could come over. Who knows.

All of it is way more likely that there's some conspiracy that one of the surviving roommates helped put this plan into motion.

EDIT...also great comment just above me...we now have the affidavit. It will help this thread tremendously for the people who want to keep discussing it to stop posting on the thread until you all go read it. Take 10 minutes out of your day.

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You make a good point. Just thinking about what she heard and saw in a vacuum, I can see how she wouldn't assume her roommates are being hacked to death. So much mask wearing the past few years so that that doesn't even seem strange anymore.

I definitely don't think the roommates were involved. Never crossed my mind until this thread.

Correct me if I am wrong. First degree murder with punishment of death has to prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" the guilt of the perpetrator? If I am a defense attorney, and I am NOT, I see this case with many places to create doubt. I trust your take on this.

I wonder where he bought the K-bar knife and sheath? If he bought it at a gun show or on a roadside stand somewhere there won't be a record but I imagine the FBI is pouring over his credit cards to see if he bought one online at some point in the past