FWIW: Tip line now goes directly to the FBI due to large numbers coming in.

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Sounds like a hoot owl. I couldn't hear the scream from a person.

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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again, im agreeing with you, just perception is reality.

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Sounds like a hoot owl. I couldn't hear the scream from a person.

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Kind of sounded like that to me too. The Hubs and I can be in different rooms at either end of the ranch house and still hear a very large owl through closed windows with the TV on. They can be very loud and vary their hoots. Can't really determine where they are located.

It is a wooded area just behind the house with cul de sacs. Lots of trees on that hill behind the house where the second and third floors are located.

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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again, im agreeing with you, just perception is reality.

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Who gives a damn about perception? Especially if you're innocent.

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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again, im agreeing with you, just perception is reality.

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Who gives a damn about perception? Especially if you're innocent.

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If you are innocent, why do you need a lawyer anyway all roommates were already cleared?

Where did you read she had lawyered up and refusing dna?

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That would take about ten minutes to type up and get a judge to sign off on. (Slight exaggeration but not by much.)

Horrific crime with DNA evidence, resident in the house of the horrific crime with DNA evidence, was physically present at the time of the horrific crime with DNA evidence, give us your buckle swab. Next?

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You're right, it's a poor look. On something this notorious, consulting a PR firm would shortly follow retaining a lawyer.

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They aren't? Not even in Texas?

They don't investigate anything. They assist in search efforts.

Oh. Just remember they honed in on that Dutch kid when they were investigating her disappearance.

Thank you for the correction.

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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again, im agreeing with you, just perception is reality.

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You should absolutely lawyer up
This is one of the best videos i've seen on the subject, though i bet there are a lot of other good ones

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Correct, they are a search team and not investigators. But I was thinking the "Equis" she mentioned was probably Texas EquuSearch since I know they worked on that case in the search for her. If memory serves me they were involved twice, right in the beginning then later when that Vander Sloot (or whatever his name was) came into the mix.

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That would take about ten minutes to type up and get a judge to sign off on. (Slight exaggeration but not by much.)

Horrific crime with DNA evidence, resident in the house of the horrific crime with DNA evidence, was physically present at the time of the horrific crime with DNA evidence, give us your buckle swab. Next?

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Read Dylan lawyered up and wont give a DNA test

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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right of course but its a bad look

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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again, im agreeing with you, just perception is reality.

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Who gives a damn about perception? Especially if you're innocent.

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If you are innocent, why do you need a lawyer anyway all roommates were already cleared?

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There is no legal significance to law enforcement saying somebody is cleared. It doesn't protect you from anything.

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Read Dylan lawyered up and wont give a DNA test

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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right of course but its a bad look

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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Perception is only reality because it is what has been told to us through all the cop drama shows on the tv. They have engrained this into the publics brain for a reason. If they changed that and made every suspect on tv ask for a lawyer and the cop answer with "great choice, that is exactly what you should do in this situation" then the public would think that was the norm.

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No, it is not. Did you watch the Waukesha Parade Killer trial? Took about 30 minutes to get a search warrant for Brooks' vehicle after the mass murder.

A DNA swab is a search of a human. Probable cause a crime was committed-check. Person asked to be searched was present at crime scene and at time of crime-check. Probable cause that evidence of said crime is located there (in her cheek)-check.

What are you seeing that is contra to probable cause?

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Read Dylan lawyered up and wont give a DNA test

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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right of course but its a bad look

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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again, im agreeing with you, just perception is reality.

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Who gives a damn about perception? Especially if you're innocent.

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If you are innocent, why do you need a lawyer anyway all roommates were already cleared?

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There is no legal significance to law enforcement saying somebody is cleared. It doesn't protect you from anything.

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Agree. And the Moscow PD did that because they were kids being harassed on social media. A good reason? Or no?

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Read Dylan lawyered up and wont give a DNA test

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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right of course but its a bad look

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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again, im agreeing with you, just perception is reality.

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Who gives a damn about perception? Especially if you're innocent.

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Watch the video above provided by Deddog. You always lawyer up. Especially if you're innocent.

"What you say CAN and WILL be used against you". They are under no obligation to admit to the "good" stuff you say.

This case appears to have gone cold pretty quick. No updates?

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Read Dylan lawyered up and wont give a DNA test

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I am a lawyer so of course I will say this, but it shouldn't take being a lawyer to know that this is the absolute smartest possible thing one can do in this situation, period. I'm not saying don't "ever" talk to the cops, but if it's just about anything other than jaywalking or a speeding ticket, don't talk to the cops.

Especially in a non-victimless crime where the police are looking for suspects, if you bear some relationship to that crime, even if it's by pure happenstance, no matter how distant, do not talk to the cops. I am honestly surprised that the victims' own immediately family members are out talking to media and posting on Instagram and whatnot. That is so stupid. I'm sure they (the immediate family) are all innocent, but I would have told all of them to lawyer up from day 1 ESPECIALLY if they are innocent.

I think a lot of people believe that criminal defense lawyers' primary function is to defend criminals and suspected criminals. I think their primary function is just as much to ensure that innocent people are not made out to be criminals or suspected criminals by law enforcement.

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right of course but its a bad look

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I don't think so. Assuming she is innocent, she (along with the other roommate) is one of the two most likely people in the world to have her DNA in some incriminating place through no fault of her own. There is no way I would just hand over a DNA sample if I lived in that house. Make them establish the probable cause for a warrant if they want the DNA.

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again, im agreeing with you, just perception is reality.

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Who gives a damn about perception? Especially if you're innocent.

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If you are innocent, why do you need a lawyer anyway all roommates were already cleared?

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There is no legal significance to law enforcement saying somebody is cleared. It doesn't protect you from anything.

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actually LE does that all the time to have the perp lower their defenses and believe the coast is clear...

Thanks! Hard to figure if they've got good info to pursue or don't have a clue.

Not sure how "recent" this news is but from what I gather it is a pretty recent revelation. Obviously we know that the white sedan has been sought, but additional footage was recently gathered from a nearby gas station that shows that vehicle driving by quickly at around the estimated time of the murders. At worst, this probably more than confirms what the police already suspected in that this vehicle is more than likely the suspect(s) vehicle.

Can't tell if this investigation is picking up steam, but from my vantage point it seems to be!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-cops-take-hours-video-gas-station-clerk-spots-white-car-night-stabbings

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MOSCOW, Idaho EXCLUSIVE: Detectives collected eight hours of surveillance video Tuesday morning from a gas station in Moscow where a clerk saw a white sedan passing by at 3:45 a.m. on the night of the unsolved stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students, according store workers.

An overnight assistant manager told Fox News Digital that she's been reviewing the tapes a little bit at a time over the past few days, looking for clues in her downtime on the graveyard shift. She said she was not working on the night of the murders.

Monday night, she said, she reached the 3 o'clock hour and spotted the car. She said she took a picture of the screen and sent it to an email address police set up to receive tips.

"I had a weird feeling to go get on the cameras," she said, asking that her name not be publicized out of safety concerns as the suspect remains at large.

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Also additional people were picked up on the police body cam that was not previously released.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-group-spotted-walking-background-bodycam-video-taken-near-crime-scene-3-a-m

I don't think that's anything other than drunk kids walking across the park, just like the ones they stopped to question. Not really sure why Fox News ran that article.

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Not sure how "recent" this news is but from what I gather it is a pretty recent revelation. Obviously we know that the white sedan has been sought, but additional footage was recently gathered from a nearby gas station that shows that vehicle driving by quickly at around the estimated time of the murders. At worst, this probably more than confirms what the police already suspected in that this vehicle is more than likely the suspect(s) vehicle.

Can't tell if this investigation is picking up steam, but from my vantage point it seems to be!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-cops-take-hours-video-gas-station-clerk-spots-white-car-night-stabbings

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MOSCOW, Idaho EXCLUSIVE: Detectives collected eight hours of surveillance video Tuesday morning from a gas station in Moscow where a clerk saw a white sedan passing by at 3:45 a.m. on the night of the unsolved stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students, according store workers.

An overnight assistant manager told Fox News Digital that she's been reviewing the tapes a little bit at a time over the past few days, looking for clues in her downtime on the graveyard shift. She said she was not working on the night of the murders.

Monday night, she said, she reached the 3 o'clock hour and spotted the car. She said she took a picture of the screen and sent it to an email address police set up to receive tips.

"I had a weird feeling to go get on the cameras," she said, asking that her name not be publicized out of safety concerns as the suspect remains at large.

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It's not luck, they have asked from the beginning for people with video to turn it over. You do realize that they don't have the right to just go confiscate privately owned video footage, don't you? They need cooperation of the business owners to get it.