Seems there was a 3 am alcohol related police call near the frat house around the time of the murders.

Or a neighbor being tired of loud parties or some other annoyance.

its sounds like they are just walking back the "definitely targeted" statements (which were of course referring to victims originally) and trying to save face with nonsense about the house. Typical local cop bs'ing about what they meant. Not bashing them, they were going by what seemed to be likely at the time, and just spoke too soon.

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Or a neighbor being tired of loud parties or some other annoyance.

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I consider that unlikely as it is largely student housing in the area, being right off campus and so close to Greek Row.

Well there is no doubt the police public affairs is screwing the pooch on this one. Initially the community was told don't worry this is not a Jack the Ripper on the loose, no need to fear. Now they are walking that all back. Unfortunately poor performance by this division casts a shadow of doubt on the entire Moscow police force.

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its sounds like they are just walking back the "definitely targeted" statements (which were of course referring to victims originally) and trying to save face with nonsense about the house. Typical local cop bs'ing about what they meant. Not bashing them, they were going by what seemed to be likely at the time, and just spoke too soon.

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Maybe the early reports of Kaylee having a stalker influenced their thinking too much?

The complicated and grisly crime scene would suggest a very personal tie to at least one of the victims and that would be expected to be born out by autopsy results. More stab wounds, deeper stab wounds in one particular victim, for instance.

Still missing an awful lot of dots to try to connect here.

They are messing this up big time as predicted.

So, they pretty much walked back most of their prior statements. Interesting choice.

Are they still saying the skinned pets found nearby have nothing at all to do with the case?

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They are messing this up big time as predicted.

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Know what else is weird here? That the locals are still doing the PR.

Normally when the feds sweep in, the locals are relegated to the back seat. And when the feds sweep in with 2 Behavioral Analysis profilers? Feds strongly suspect/know something they are not sharing with the locals until they have to.

Typical behavioral analysis would say all this is true 99% of the time, especially if its a single victim. It is really hard if not almost impossible for a non-psychopathic human being to stab four sleeping people to death in a dark home in the middle of the night with no warning. I don't think it was completely random, but I think the young women could have been any college girls around the same age and the male was incidental. Killer had been was probably drunk or on drugs that night, followed them home somehow or just watched the house and waited until the were asleep, and went in. He just wanted to kill them because he hates college aged women and enjoyed killing them and the power it gave him. He'll do it again if he isn't caught.

Wasn't it a known party house? and the layout was kind of haphazard? Wondering if the killer was someone who had been in the house for a party and was familiar with the layout.

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So, they pretty much walked back most of their prior statements. Interesting choice.

Are they still saying the skinned pets found nearby have nothing at all to do with the case?

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I remember them saying there was no threat to the public, what about a day after the murders? Have they walked that back? I can't believe they would declare that so soon.

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(8) Elizabeth Vargas: Idaho stabbings on track to become cold case | Morning in America - YouTube

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What does she expect? She should know better. She covers stories like this all the time.

It's been just over two weeks. Cases like these, especially in smaller towns, generally take a long time to solve.

The public interest in the case can certainly accelerate tips and lead to solving sooner, but very rarely are you catching a murderer with their pants down like Chris Watts and wrap it up in a week or two.

Doesn't sound like the physical evidence or crime scene clues are going to close this one. It takes people talking, hearing rumors, a inebriated person confessing to friends, etc.

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Wasn't it a known party house? and the layout was kind of haphazard? Wondering if the killer was someone who had been in the house for a party and was familiar with the layout.

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Seems that way to me, or someone closer to the vicitims than just "been to a party." And definitely seems like one or two people were the intended victims, based on the supposed number of stab wounds.

Hopefully the truth will eventually come out and the killer will be arrested.

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Wasn't it a known party house? and the layout was kind of haphazard? Wondering if the killer was someone who had been in the house for a party and was familiar with the layout.

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This group of roommates moved in last June or at least the rental history suggests that is when the latest lease began from reports. My assumption is there is a rental property management company that handles the leasing.

Point being, anyone who might have been in the house before this specific group were the tenants can also be considered potential suspects.

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gotsand said:

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So, they pretty much walked back most of their prior statements. Interesting choice.

Are they still saying the skinned pets found nearby have nothing at all to do with the case?

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I remember them saying there was no threat to the public, what about a day after the murders? Have they walked that back? I can't believe they would declare that so soon.

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They walked that part back very quickly. From the link shared before:

"Detectives do not currently [as of 12/1] know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate...

...On November 15, Moscow police said they preliminarily "believe this was an isolated, targeted attack and there is no imminent threat to the community at large," and that "evidence indicates that this was a targeted attack."

Yet the following day, police backtracked some of that, saying they couldn't actually say whether there was a threat to the public."

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.On November 15, Moscow police said they preliminarily "believe this was an isolated, targeted attack and there is no imminent threat to the community at large," and that "evidence indicates that this was a targeted attack."

Yet the following day, police backtracked some of that, saying they couldn't actually say whether there was a threat to the public."

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When the FBI shows up with 2 serial killer profilers in tow, tends to change perspective of the local law enforcement, maybe?

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.On November 15, Moscow police said they preliminarily "believe this was an isolated, targeted attack and there is no imminent threat to the community at large," and that "evidence indicates that this was a targeted attack."

Yet the following day, police backtracked some of that, saying they couldn't actually say whether there was a threat to the public."

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When the FBI shows up with 2 serial killer profilers in tow, tends to change perspective of the local law enforcement, maybe?

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When a cop who sees a murder a decade finds 4 butchered college kids, he should have kept his mouth shut until hearing from said experts, maybe?

Their use of the term "evidence" is curious.

I'm not ruling out an organized crime hit as retaliation on X's parents or M's dad and their hard drug usage and distribution (recent) past.

Not saying it's it's most likely here, but I think it's possible.

So is is speculation or known with the ties of drug distribution here?

I think the "evidence" was the number of stab wounds, usually that is the result of a very emotional motive filled with hate. But when it is not, it's a sicko serial killer.

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So is is speculation or known with the ties of drug distribution here?

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The mother of one of the victims is currently being held on drug-related charges w/ a $50k bond. I have not seen details or confirmation of 'distribution'.

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I think the "evidence" was the number of stab wounds, usually that is the result of a very emotional motive filled with hate. But when it is not, it's a sicko serial killer.

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And then there is the question of age.

College aged perp would not be mature enough to plan for everything, how to get in and out without detection for just one example. Not bring cell phone or get a burner phone for another. Ability to keep their mouth shut and not change behavior before and after that might alert anyone close to them as well.

If it were a college aged perp, the case would likely break before Christmas break is my guess.

redacted: inappropriate in the current context

definitely not cartel hit

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More toward the number necessary to get the job done, so bare minimum. Many wounds normally indicates anger or passion, almost always with people closely connected to a victim.

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Well there is no doubt the police public affairs is screwing the pooch on this one. Initially the community was told don't worry this is not a Jack the Ripper on the loose, no need to fear. Now they are walking that all back. Unfortunately poor performance by this division casts a shadow of doubt on the entire Moscow police force.

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looks like all the coeds who were not coming back to campus

had a pretty good idea as to the competence of the Moscow police force

Question for the DAs / FBI / LEO -- can you dig into the histories of suspects to see if there is some sort of earlier psychotic episode or behavior that would otherwise be sealed -- like mental health treatment or juvi record? Seems like something this horrific would not be committed by someone on their first rodeo. There would be some troubling incident in the past.

I know, privacy and HIPAA and all that -- but can FBI investigators access it?

I guess related to this -- would that sort of thing show up on a FBI background check for a firearm purchase?

I think they probably still think it is targeted, but they lack the evidence needed to solidify that, thus, they have to keep open all options. That's how good investigators work. You have to remain open to every option to avoid dismissing clues that are important. It's a constant battle against your own biases that police have to have the discipline to remain steadfast with.

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Question for the DAs / FBI / LEO -- can you dig into the histories of suspects to see if there is some sort of earlier psychotic episode or behavior that would otherwise be sealed -- like mental health treatment or juvi record? Seems like something this horrific would not be committed by someone on their first rodeo. There would be some troubling incident in the past.

I know, privacy and HIPAA and all that -- but can FBI investigators access it?

I guess related to this -- would that sort of thing show up on a FBI background check for a firearm purchase?

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At age 15 Co-ed Killer Ed Kemper shot grandma in the head, then two more shots for good measure, waited on grandpa to get home and plugged him too then called his mom who told him to call police and he turned himself in. At age 21 he was released and by age 22 he convinced all the psychiatrists he was fully rehabilitated and all his juvenile records expunged.

So sealed vs expunged, I too would be curious as to how this practically works. Who holds the key to open sealed records, even "unofficially"?

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Under Idaho law, most convictions, charges, or arrests from when you were under age 18 can qualify for expungement. However, certain more serious crimes cannot be expunged, such as: murder, voluntary manslaughter, rape, arson, aggravated battery, drug trafficking, or injury to a child.

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LINK

How consistent is that across states? I would assume Soros is a HUGE proponent of not just sealed records but expungement, for all crimes, for all criminals regardless of age. I would suspect that is part of the actual DNC platform, if not at least some of it.

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Question for the DAs / FBI / LEO -- can you dig into the histories of suspects to see if there is some sort of earlier psychotic episode or behavior that would otherwise be sealed -- like mental health treatment or juvi record? Seems like something this horrific would not be committed by someone on their first rodeo. There would be some troubling incident in the past.

I know, privacy and HIPAA and all that -- but can FBI investigators access it?

I guess related to this -- would that sort of thing show up on a FBI background check for a firearm purchase?

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At age 15 Co-ed Killer Ed Kemper shot grandma in the head, then two more shots for good measure, waited on grandpa to get home and plugged him too then called his mom who told him to call police and he turned himself in. At age 21 he was released and by age 22 he convinced all the psychiatrists he was fully rehabilitated and all his juvenile records expunged.

So sealed vs expunged, I too would be curious as to how this practically works. Who holds the key to open sealed records, even "unofficially"?

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He is also still in prison in California after getting 8 life sentences. What a winner.

I would guess that commitment would be off-limits? Like no crime was committed but a teen was so psychotic that he had to be involuntarily committed. What if that kid is "cured" and then snaps and does something like this? Would his commitment be something that the FBI could find when profiling the frat house or something?