University of Idaho - 4 college students murdered

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I know one thing, I could never understand anyone having the capacity to do something like this.

This is personally what I find most troubling about these types of crimes. It is slightly comforting sometimes when you can chalk up a horrific act of violence to some schizophrenic having a psychotic episode. But when it's a high functioning, competent socio/psychopath like this, it is pretty damn scary.

Not sure if many of yall remember Thomas Johnson, a promising young freshman stud WR for A&M in 2012 (helped us beat Bama). People were were perplexed when they heard rumors of him just quitting football after his freshman year...then moreso to hear accounts from teammates about him believing he was the "voice of God" or that "God spoke to him" or something along those lines....fast fwd a couple of years and he winds up in the news for hacking up an unsuspecting jogger with a machete in East Dallas early one morning. Now doing life in prison.

Something like that is terrifying and barbaric enough, but someone like that was never going to get away with it in such a deranged condition. The fact that there is a guy out there somewhere operating freely and blending in with unsuspecting society at large, probably interacting up close and personal with at least a handful of people a day, who has such little capacity for empathy that he would violently kill 4 people in their sleep with a knife, is just something that really creeps me out. Someone very likely came face to face with him today or almost brushed elbows and has no idea.
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Are the barstools supposed to be some sort of bar on the sliding glass door with the way they are oriented? I mean it would be dumb, but very college student like.

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

Are the barstools supposed to be some sort of bar on the sliding glass door with the way they are oriented? I mean it would be dumb, but very college student like.
That is an eat-in kitchen. My assumption is that the stools were at some type of dining table.
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Someone in the Facebook group said LE put them like that so nobody can get in.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Someone in the Facebook group said LE put them like that so nobody can get in.
Kind of closing the barn door after the horse has left, isn't it?

Never been a FB kind of gal but when it comes to events like this, does seem to be one giant online game of telephone.

We'll see if that story holds up about the roommates finding Xana's BF, Ethan and freaking out, fainting and hence the "unconscious" mention in the 911 call. But stranger things have happened. A five year old can call 911 saying his Mom is unconscious with more poise than these college students, apparently.
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aggiehawg said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Someone in the Facebook group said LE put them like that so nobody can get in.
Kind of closing the barn door after the horse has left, isn't it?

Never been a FB kind of gal but when it comes to events like this, does seem to be one giant online game of telephone.

We'll see if that story holds up about the roommates finding Xana's BF, Ethan and freaking out, fainting and hence the "unconscious" mention in the 911 call. But stranger things have happened. A five year old can call 911 saying his Mom is unconscious with more poise than these college students, apparently.
I agree. Things are often more simple than they seem, and I look at the entire "crowd sourced true crime" thing the same way.

People aren't often killed by complete stranger "stalkers", they are killed by people they know, or at least know of. There were no signs of a break-in, meaning the person who committed this murder was likely let in and was known to the deceased. Either that or they didnt even try securing their home and were excessively careless. Couple that excessive carelessness with some weird story about another person calling 9-1-1 because the people who discovered the bodies were too in-shock to do so themselves is complete bull***** I have been in a situation like this and was cognizant about being in shock, but still had my wits about me to do the correct thing. To me, and I guess I have an interesting perspective, of "hey, you dont know what would happen if you were in the same situation" doesn't add up.

The chance that some random drifter stumbled upon this random house, murdered 4 people, and then was on his way - sparing two people, is not likely. It doesn't happen that way.
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Watching a YouTube podcast Interview Room (??). He is saying it was pitch dark that night because a spotlight on an apartment complex was out. ....it's working now.

He also spotted a black glove near a trashcan and called it to LE attention. So there you have it. OJ did it!!! Lol

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Couple that excessive carelessness with some weird story about another person calling 9-1-1 because the people who discovered the bodies were too in-shock to do so themselves is complete bull***** I have been in a situation like this and was cognizant about being in shock, but still had my wits about me to do the correct thing.

The chance that some random drifter stumbled upon this random house, murdered 4 people, and then was on his way - sparing two people, is not likely. It doesn't happen that way.
Me too. I go into monotone "Just the facts, Ma'am" Jack Webb mode during a crisis.

But never assume that this was a "random drifter," either. Want to see the tox report which should be back this week. Any roofies or other drugs present? They are not random, they study.

There is a line in the movie (1982) Body heat wherein Mickey Rourke's character is telling William Hurt, "When you try to commit a decent crime, there are 50 ways to f*** it up. If you think of 25 of them, you are a genious. And you are no genius."



Students are back. Except for three according to the FNC report I saw about an hour ago. Those three will be ruled in or out fairly quickly. Then authorities will need to rely on reports from students or profs about noticing any different behavior among themselves as part of the aftermath.

My spidey senses say this case will pop open this week if it was someone they all knew.

But if it doesn't???
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You are more optimistic than I am.

I don't think this will be solved anytime soon. I hope and pray that I am wrong.
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BadMoonRisin said:

You are more optimistic than I am.

I don't think this will be solved anytime soon. I hope and pray that I am wrong.
Optimistic? Not really. Just weighing the probabilities here.

A non-seasoned killer, a true crime of passion killer will have noticeable regrets. Sleep disruptions, more alcohol and drug consumption. General a type of paralysis, not wearing matched clothing, not showering often, not going to class, not eating. They will manifest in one manner or another.
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Wonder why there has not been a reward? Do they possibly have enough info and are on to someone?
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aggiehawg said:

BadMoonRisin said:

You are more optimistic than I am.

I don't think this will be solved anytime soon. I hope and pray that I am wrong.
Optimistic? Not really. Just weighing the probabilities here.

A non-seasoned killer, a true crime of passion killer will have noticeable regrets. Sleep disruptions, more alcohol and drug consumption. General a type of paralysis, not wearing matched clothing, not showering often, not going to class, not eating. They will manifest in one manner or another.

I really don't think is a typical "crime of passion" after following it for 2+ weeks. I think this is a very deranged psychopath who didn't think twice about killing 4 people in a very intimate, messy way, and he will likely not exhibit any of the emotions of regret, guilt, etc. that you mentioned above.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Wonder why there has not been a reward? Do they possibly have enough info and are on to someone?
Rewards often invite more "tips" that are worthless.
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aggiehawg said:

BadMoonRisin said:

You are more optimistic than I am.

I don't think this will be solved anytime soon. I hope and pray that I am wrong.
Optimistic? Not really. Just weighing the probabilities here.

A non-seasoned killer, a true crime of passion killer will have noticeable regrets. Sleep disruptions, more alcohol and drug consumption. General a type of paralysis, not wearing matched clothing, not showering often, not going to class, not eating. They will manifest in one manner or another.
my saddest thing here is that ive seen the way teens/young adults act these days. tons are depressed, skip school, wear ugly azz non matching clothes, drink and do too many drugs
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I have never witnessed a dead person but I have been in the situation where, as a young dumb college kid, we debated taking a scarily too-drunk friend to the hospital for alcohol poisoning when we were all underage and would have been in massive trouble.

I can understand the chaos if the deceased were locked up and they were trying to figure out what was going on and how to deal. I cannot imagine what it would be like if they actually found Ethan in the hallway and then the 3 girls.
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I understand what yall are saying, but life or death is not the same, it is a different adrenaline rush that many times focuses the mind. I too was in the FD and while the heart rate gets up you're expecting violence and carnage. Coming up on a known scene or seeing a crash your body has a chance to prepare your mind for what it is about to see...


Not quite the same thing waking up on a Sunday morning, going upstairs to get a bowl of cereal and finding a bloody massacre scene in your own home, which you were in when this happened and you didn't have a clue. Especially for a sheltered 20yr old who has probably rarely even been to a funeral never less seen death close hand
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Anyone have a link to a good summary of what we know so far?
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Not quite the same thing waking up on a Sunday morning, going upstairs to get a bowl of cereal and finding a bloody massacre scene in your own home, which you were in when this happened and you didn't have a clue. Especially for a sheltered 20yr old who has probably rarely even been to a funeral never less seen death close hand
Problem is that is not likely what happened. That's a FB feed that has no corroboration.
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BG Knocc Out said:


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I know one thing, I could never understand anyone having the capacity to do something like this.

This is personally what I find most troubling about these types of crimes. It is slightly comforting sometimes when you can chalk up a horrific act of violence to some schizophrenic having a psychotic episode. But when it's a high functioning, competent socio/psychopath like this, it is pretty damn scary.

Not sure if many of yall remember Thomas Johnson, a promising young freshman stud WR for A&M in 2012 (helped us beat Bama). People were were perplexed when they heard rumors of him just quitting football after his freshman year...then moreso to hear accounts from teammates about him believing he was the "voice of God" or that "God spoke to him" or something along those lines....fast fwd a couple of years and he winds up in the news for hacking up an unsuspecting jogger with a machete in East Dallas early one morning. Now doing life in prison.

Something like that is terrifying and barbaric enough, but someone like that was never going to get away with it in such a deranged condition. The fact that there is a guy out there somewhere operating freely and blending in with unsuspecting society at large, probably interacting up close and personal with at least a handful of people a day, who has such little capacity for empathy that he would violently kill 4 people in their sleep with a knife, is just something that really creeps me out. Someone very likely came face to face with him today or almost brushed elbows and has no idea.
I have recounted on TexAgs once before that 3x in my prosecuting career I have been in a courtroom with a truly evil defendant. The hair on the back of my neck would stand up when they entered the room, even if I had not seen them. There is evil in this world.

The guy who committed these crimes is evil. I still think he had been in this house before, probably a one night stand with the girl who has the most stab wounds. And he will do this again one day.

Hopefully the DNA can lead to a suspect or at least be stored in CODIS (LE DNA data base) so if he is caught and arrested for another crime his DNA found in this crime scene can link him to these 4 murders). It seems now that it all hinges on DNA found at the crime scene and whether that DNA can be tied to any one person.
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I've been the first to encounter a suicide (jumper) not long after they hit and were possibly momentarily still alive (beyond awful). People saying they know what its like because they've seen car wrecks are misunderstanding the point of sudden total shock of zero context carnage. like being 24 walking into your parking garage at work from lunch on a sunny nice day and suddenly splat, 20 something year old girl right in front of you jumped 12 stories. Talk about shock and not speaking straight, I think my blood pressure was 250 my ears rang so loudly. Point being, I totally get being out of your wits in a hurry.
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I just read where the targeted person was stabbed 42 times
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suburban cowboy said:

I just read where the targeted person was stabbed 42 times

Which one was the target? Where did you see that? Having that information should start to narrow down the suspect list.
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oh my
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Death by simp one of these girls rejected some Dude and he just went nuts just awful
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Link please…..
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Was this wild peculation?
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Just read some of this because it's all over the news … so they don't have the person who did this yet? Seems like they would get someone quickly ? Sorry for not knowing much
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This whole thing bothers me. I know one thing, I could never understand anyone having the capacity to do something like this.
Family in our town was found murdered……a young woman, her mother, and her little baby. The woman and her mother were members of our church, and were next-door neighbors for many years. Surviving daughter happened to be in elementary school when murders occurred, and she was temporarily placed in our custody. I didn't sleep at all that first night, not knowing who was the killer. Local police and Texas Rangers, along with our pastor, came to our house and told the daughter that she would never see her mother again. Before the funerals, relatives of the family came to our house, including two of the primary suspects (estranged husband of the woman, and the brother of the woman). Shortly after the funerals, they arrested the brother for the killings. He was using drugs and had become enraged at his mother. I never thought he was capable of doing such a despicable deed.

What is even more tragic is that the woman's older brother had died in his late teens from a heart condition, and her father had been killed by his girlfriend, after he had divorced her mother.
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RiverAg 80 said:

BG Knocc Out said:


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I know one thing, I could never understand anyone having the capacity to do something like this.

This is personally what I find most troubling about these types of crimes. It is slightly comforting sometimes when you can chalk up a horrific act of violence to some schizophrenic having a psychotic episode. But when it's a high functioning, competent socio/psychopath like this, it is pretty damn scary.

Not sure if many of yall remember Thomas Johnson, a promising young freshman stud WR for A&M in 2012 (helped us beat Bama). People were were perplexed when they heard rumors of him just quitting football after his freshman year...then moreso to hear accounts from teammates about him believing he was the "voice of God" or that "God spoke to him" or something along those lines....fast fwd a couple of years and he winds up in the news for hacking up an unsuspecting jogger with a machete in East Dallas early one morning. Now doing life in prison.

Something like that is terrifying and barbaric enough, but someone like that was never going to get away with it in such a deranged condition. The fact that there is a guy out there somewhere operating freely and blending in with unsuspecting society at large, probably interacting up close and personal with at least a handful of people a day, who has such little capacity for empathy that he would violently kill 4 people in their sleep with a knife, is just something that really creeps me out. Someone very likely came face to face with him today or almost brushed elbows and has no idea.
I have recounted on TexAgs once before that 3x in my prosecuting career I have been in a courtroom with a truly evil defendant. The hair on the back of my neck would stand up when they entered the room, even if I had not seen them. There is evil in this world.

The guy who committed these crimes is evil. I still think he had been in this house before, probably a one night stand with the girl who has the most stab wounds. And he will do this again one day.

Hopefully the DNA can lead to a suspect or at least be stored in CODIS (LE DNA data base) so if he is caught and arrested for another crime his DNA found in this crime scene can link him to these 4 murders). It seems now that it all hinges on DNA found at the crime scene and whether that DNA can be tied to any one person.


Man, it sounds strange but that creepy feeling is real. I remember this time early 2000's in Houston when I was living in Hyde Park area and was picking up my dry cleaning at Waugh and Allen Parkway. I was in line when suddenly the hair on the back of my neck stood up and a chill ran through my body. I turned around and there was now this diminutive gray hair standing behind me. It was Robert Durst.
"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be."
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O chit! Was he dressed normal or in drag?
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Please elaborate, read where? Because I'm not seeing that anywhere
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read on another forum similar to TA, posted by a credible poster that has a close friend that's part of the investigation
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aggiehawg said:

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Not quite the same thing waking up on a Sunday morning, going upstairs to get a bowl of cereal and finding a bloody massacre scene in your own home, which you were in when this happened and you didn't have a clue. Especially for a sheltered 20yr old who has probably rarely even been to a funeral never less seen death close hand
Problem is that is not likely what happened. That's a FB feed that has no corroboration.


In what world is that likely not what happened?
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Was this wild peculation?
More of a leg man myself...
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In what world is that likely not what happened?
Unless there was a bed in the kitchen?

All four victims were killed in bed according to authorities.
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