University of Idaho - 4 college students murdered

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One of the bedrooms on the first floor is directly under where Xana and Ethan were??
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That is the supposedly the unoccupied room
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Look at the windows on the right. Those are bedrooms.

The second floor window on the left is the living room. And is above a first floor bedroom.
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3d model someone created. Not sure if 100% accurate but may help with some of this discussion.

https://planner5d.com/view?key=fbccc334578bd3a0f59e9a82c4efe536
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This is from a pic from a Fox News story. Wonder why those stools are positioned like that???
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That's 3 people. Where is the 4th? 2nd floor?

ETA: im stupid. there are two people in the 2nd floor pic.
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There is also some "not confirmed" discussion on how the roommates reacted and the initial 911 call(s).

Its clearly flagged as not confirmed so keep that in mind, but the scenario makes some logical sense and could answer some of the oddities about how the victims were discovered.

The confusion of the 2 surviving roommates and others who happened on the crime scene could be another reason the police are not releasing information. They may deem many of the statements as unreliable due to the horrific nature of the crime scene.
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I think your murderer is on the 1st floor, if not both of them.

Nothing else really makes sense.

You have 6 people living in your house, all college students, and you don't choose to access 2/3rds of your home until noon on a Monday -- and when you get curious about it you invite "friends" over to call 9-1-1 from your phone due to an "unconscious person"?

There are more ways to get access to the areas that they refused to go in -- several exterior doors which you probably have a key to, if not breaking into a window to check on your roomates --locked door or unconscious person leaning against it or not. The fact that they just stopped and other people had to call 9-1-1 from their phones, not a great look. If they were concerned about the well-being of their roomates, they would have found a way in. Instead, they designed and wanted someone else to call 9-1-1.

Small-town cops are dip****s in general, that's how they get the job, but you introduce two attractive looking college-aged females, they will almost do everything they can to look the other way. They are being manipulated.

I've seen enough of these things over the years to not believe the "it was a random stalker" nonsense.

I think the PD know, which is why they have not released information on the 9-1-1 phone call where "multiple people" talked to the police. I think the "surviving roommates have been cleared" message is just that. That doesn't mean they didnt do it. They have to be 1 and 2 on the top suspects lists as of right now.

Cops just dont have enough evidence to take to a Grand Jury yet.

Means, Motive and Opportunity. 2/3 have been met. They are looking for a motive, and I suspect they will soon find it.
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

Valtrex_11 said:

They got nothing after 2 weeks if they had a person, they would release the info to the public to help find him or her...

Just sad situation all round.
You don't know that to be true. I suspect they have a great deal. They may or may not have a suspect. Whether or not they tell you and me about a suspect is determined by what that will do to the case. If releasing information helps, they will release it. If releasing it compromises the case, they will not, no matter the public pressure or ridicule.

Doesn't mean they won't make mistake, either. But I'd bet that this will eventually be solved.
they always release info if they have it look at the night stalker case they were begging the public for help
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Maybe they asked for help because all of their leads dried up and they hoped the public could drop new information. Their silence only means they don't want the public involved.
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I don't see either of those girls doing it, but think it's possible they let someone in. Could have subdued victims while being stabbed.

Also you'd think they'd have gone to the kitchen for something to drink...... a snack...well, maybe just me, but I'd be starving by noon. lol
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BadMoonRisin said:

I think your murderer is on the 1st floor, if not both of them.

Nothing else really makes sense.

You have 6 people living in your house, all college students, and you don't choose to access 2/3rds of your home until noon on a Monday -- and when you get curious about it you invite "friends" over to call 9-1-1 from your phone due to an "unconscious person"?

There are more ways to get access to the areas that they refused to go in -- several exterior doors which you probably have a key to, if not breaking into a window to check on your roomates --locked door or unconscious person leaning against it or not. The fact that they just stopped and other people had to call 9-1-1 from their phones, not a great look. If they were concerned about the well-being of their roomates, they would have found a way in. Instead, they designed and wanted someone else to call 9-1-1.

Small-town cops are dip****s in general, that's how they get the job, but you introduce two attractive looking college-aged females, they will almost do everything they can to look the other way. They are being manipulated.

I've seen enough of these things over the years to not believe the "it was a random stalker" nonsense.

I think the PD know, which is why they have not released information on the 9-1-1 phone call where "multiple people" talked to the police. I think the "surviving roommates have been cleared" message is just that. That doesn't mean they didnt do it. They have to be 1 and 2 on the top suspects lists as of right now.

Cops just dont have enough evidence to take to a Grand Jury yet.

Means, Motive and Opportunity. 2/3 have been met. They are looking for a motive, and I suspect they will soon find it.

Yeah, no, don't think it was either, or both, of the downstairs females. They didn't overpower and kill the other 4 in the house, especially when 2 of the deceased were in the same room and one was male.

Beyond that, I believe the call happened before noon on Sunday morning, not Monday. It's not unusual for college kids to sleep in until noon on the weekend after partying. Is it confirmed they couldn't access any of the home? I would imagine they still had access to the common areas like kitchen and living room.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

I don't see either of those girls doing it, but think it's possible they let someone in. Could have subdued victims while being stabbed.

Also you'd think they'd have gone to the kitchen for something to drink...... a snack...well, maybe just me, but I'd be starving by noon. lol

Is there any reason they couldn't access the kitchen? It sounds like all the murder took place in their bedrooms and I believe I've read that some or all of the bedroom doors were locked.
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No. I was just thinking there was blood in the area they would have seen.
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Man some of yall were way more responsible than me. I could not tell you how many times i slept in until the afternoon in college after a night out.
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Saw this on Reddit and honesty it makes the most sense of anything I've read to report the initial 911 call and the surviving roommates:


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Explanation of Unconscious Call

EDIT- I AM NOT STATING THIS AS FACT. THIS IS ALL NOT CONFIRMED HENCE THE FLAIR. FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE REFUSE TO SEE THAT SO I NEEDED TO RE-EMPHASIZE. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE READING NOT CONFIRMED INFORMATION, THEN DO NOT READ.

saw this comment on Facebook and wanted to share it here bc it clarifies everything and to stop people from speculating about the survivors. Supposedly a few days after the murders someone was asking question on the victims past instagram post about the survivors. Two of the people who were at the house with the roommates when the call was made quickly came to their defense and this is supposedly what they said. Keep in mind this is all alleged:

"Two people who claimed to be at the house with the roommates when the bodies were discovered quickly came to the surviving roommates defense and wrote that the roommates woke up, went upstairs to the kitchen and noticed the sliding glass door was open and it was during that time they discovered Ethan. They didn't say where he was found on that floor but that it was so horrific that both girls went into shock and ran out of the house. One of the roommates fainted and the other was beyond hysterical and not making any sense.

Their frantic action's while coming out of the house caught the attention of people walking past, the people responding on the victim's IG, claimed to be two of those people.

They implied that the roommate who fainted had already dialed 911 but was so distraught that she fainted before she could give any info that the dispatcher could understand.

The only info that the bystander who picked up the roommates phone could give the 911 dispatcher was she just saw her friend run out of the house and faint. That's how the 911 call was made on the "roommates"phone and by someone else. And why the call went out for an unconscious person.

While that bystander was on the phone with 911 the other roommate was hysterically trying to explain that something was wrong with Ethan.
By this point several more people had stopped to see what was happening and
one or two of them went into the house to see if they could help him.

There were multiple people in the yard at that time and those people began contacting their friends that someone in the house was badly hurt.
Someone called Ethan's brother Hunter to tell him something was wrong with his brother because he lived close to the house and someone called one of the other victims boyfriend as he was also Ethan's best friend.

They didn't go into detail on if either of those boys had arrived before the paramedics did but it did kind of sounded like they did.

They didn't go into detail on what kind of injuries Ethan suffered. They also didn't say if anyone went to check on the other roommates before the paramedics arrived but it somewhat implied that someone had. The only details they gave about the scene itself was that it was incomprehensible bloody.

While those people were in the house checking on Ethan and possibly the other roommates, the paramedics arrived to a very chaotic scene believing they were there to assess an unconscious person outside but were redirected to go inside to help someone who was hurt very badly. So they walked into the house unaware that it was a crime scene contaminated most of everything on the second floor.

It doesn't sound like the roommates were roaming throughout the house carelessly contaminating everything fully aware that their friends had been murdered.
It sounds like the scene was contaminated by numerous people who were trying to help unaware and unable to comprehend what they were looking at and that it was a crime scene.

My heart breaks for these two poor innocent young females. Not only have they experienced a trauma so brutal that it can't not change who they are at their core, but they also have to live with the fear that someone might be coming for them, and they grief of loss 4 friends plus a life that they once had that will never exist again.

And if that wasn't traumatizing enough they also get to live with millions of people publicly criticizing, persecuting, and incorrectly judging them for actions people assume they may have or not have taken.

Some of the the comments left on the IG pictures of the victims especially the ones the survivors were tagged in were beyond nasty if not right down cruel.
I don't understand how our society become so inhumane.

It sounds like the two surviving roommates behaviors were 100% appropriate for the situation they found themselves in."

and I agree. Like I said, this all alleged but I think it explains a lot. I am marking this as information rather than theory bc I am not making a theory myself, I am just relying information given by the individuals who were there when the call was made.

EDIT- we are all aware of the police's unconscious explanation. This post is not asking about how the police explained it. This post is relaying what the person who was there said about the call when it happened according to someone in a Facebook group. What you choose to believe is your business, but legally the police can say/withhold whatever information they want and have an incentive to hide this information bc it reveals how contaminated the crime scene is and would make their chance of finding the killer even worse. I am sharing this knowing what the police's press release said because it doesn't take away from what the person said and can still offer a fresh persepective.

Edit 2- this is all a quote. In the quote the user used the term "female". I do not support this word usage and and we should use the term women, especially when talking about survivors/victims, as so to not dehumanize them. I do not agree with their usage of the term FEMALE and if I didn't directly copy her quote I would not have used it. I don't want to switch the language bc then it wouldn't be a direct quote anymore, but please know using that word to describe women is harmful and not okay, even if unintentional.

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This was the info I was referring to. Its not a perfect explanation and may prove to be untrue, but it adds some additional color to what the surviving roommates were going through.
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That is very logical, thanks for posting. Lets hope they didn't spoil the crime scene too bad; but if you think there is a chance to provide first aid to another you have to do so. Even spoiled I am confident they can analyze correctly it will just take longer.

The question is was the 911 call info updated before police arrived and they may be holding that to allow the parents to grieve a bit.

One possible discrepancy is; I read police arrived before EMS.
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From what I have seen of the area this explanation makes complete sense if I put myself in their shoes and in that perspective. Also despite the police saying the 911 call was for the victim it does make sense that if someone else picked up the phone and is trying to explain a girl fainted while also trying to explain someone was on the floor upstairs with blood everywhere that would be a very confusing call to take and honestly from 911 transcripts I have read their main focus is just going to be to get people in route. You know there are major issues going on and no one losing their mind as the roommate was described is going to be able to explain it on the phone. Also someone who didn't go inside isn't going to be able to explain it.
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Interesting, and makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is finding the body of your roommate, who was horrifically slashed to death, and calling his brother to tell him that "something is wrong" with him.
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BadMoonRisin said:

Interesting, and makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is finding the body of your roommate, who was horrifically slashed to death, and calling his brother to tell him that "something is wrong" with him.


You never know how you're going to react to something so horrific. In his panic and adrenaline he might have chosen to not tell the poor kid that his brother was dead, over the phone.
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BadMoonRisin said:

Interesting, and makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is finding the body of your roommate, who was horrifically slashed to death, and calling his brother to tell him that "something is wrong" with him.
I didn't re-read and maybe the wording was changed from last night to when I just copied and pasted but as I recall it says the roommate went up saw him bloody on the floor and ran out screaming. One was hysterical and couldn't explain and the other passed out...It was other neighbors etc who finished the call with 911 and also called others including the brother because they just understood something was wrong with ethan
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aggiehawg said:

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Did you watch the video? The lower (basement) floor room mates were not under any of the bedrooms.
Incorrect. There was a bedroom directly beneath the bedroom that was presumably Xana's on the second floor.

There were six bedrooms and five roommates as Ethan did not live there. One bedroom was empty.


The video you linked said that one was unoccupied.
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BadMoonRisin said:

Interesting, and makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is finding the body of your roommate, who was horrifically slashed to death, and calling his brother to tell him that "something is wrong" with him.


This was released at recent press conference instructing people to dial 911 first not their friends and family.
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agracer said:

aggiehawg said:

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Did you watch the video? The lower (basement) floor room mates were not under any of the bedrooms.
Incorrect. There was a bedroom directly beneath the bedroom that was presumably Xana's on the second floor.

There were six bedrooms and five roommates as Ethan did not live there. One bedroom was empty.


The video you linked said that one was unoccupied.
Yes but it has not been released which one was unoccupied. However the original reporting was that the two survivors were on the lowest floor. If true, then the bedroom on left side of the second floor was vacant.

Really poor floorplan for an addition to the original house.
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I hate the internet trying to make people into suspects. I think it is OK to ask questions and try to piece together facts, but when you try to fill in the blanks in a narrative that has holes, and then use your own assumptions to name a suspect, you are going to make mis steps that really hurt people.

I was, like everyone, incredulous about how four murders could happen and two people sleep through it, but after seeing the layout of the house, among other things, it's perfectly plausible.

There was a long discussion on this board about a dog and whether or not the dog barking means anything. Well, yes, it does mean something, but only if you know THAT dog, it doesn't matter how YOUR dog behaves. And based on that, people want to draw conclusions.

These police may not be the most experience murder investigators, but they have far more training than 99.9% of us, and they have access to information and resources we don't.
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

I hate the internet trying to make people into suspects. I think it is OK to ask questions and try to piece together facts, but when you try to fill in the blanks in a narrative that has holes, and then use your own assumptions to name a suspect, you are going to make mis steps that really hurt people.

I was, like everyone, incredulous about how four murders could happen and two people sleep through it, but after seeing the layout of the house, among other things, it's perfectly plausible.

There was a long discussion on this board about a dog and whether or not the dog barking means anything. Well, yes, it does mean something, but only if you know THAT dog, it doesn't matter how YOUR dog behaves. And based on that, people want to draw conclusions.

These police may not be the most experience murder investigators, but they have far more training than 99.9% of us, and they have access to information and resources we don't.
Very well said.

I particularly agree with the bolded part - not sure I ever communicated from that perspective and distinction.
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Going to make some assumptions from looking at the house regarding original house vs expansion.

I imagine this house was originally 1-store built on the slope with a cinderblock 2 car basement/garage ground level. Front door of the house was oriented opposite of garage or to the street at left putting 1-story at "ground" level. Two bedrooms over the garage, living to the left/street side, kitchen opening to "up slope" patio.

At some point, the garage became the 1st floor bedrooms. At same time or another point, the "patio" side of house had a second floor built on (if you look at it, it looks as if they jacked the roof up 8ft and put in a floor system), This 2nd floor is now technically the 3rd floor.

This also helps explain the *******ization of the house layout and odd staircase arrangements.

welcome any corrections, oversights, or disagreements. Just speculating based on experience.
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This also helps explain the *******ization of the house layout and odd staircase arrangements.
Those stairs are really wonky. And even the second floor is not on one continuous level is possibly plumbing related for drain lines, etc. Notice where the vent stacks are.



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Lots of exterior electrical / low voltage as well.

Would be interesting to look at the old satellite pics from GIS or google.

Has no impact on the murders, but this house has a architectural tragedy all its own.

Someone made a point about those 1st floor rooms being cold and I would think they would be, And from those 3rd floor rooms to the 1st floor rooms would be like being in two different houses from a noise in the middle of night perspective.
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txaggie_08 said:

BadMoonRisin said:

I think your murderer is on the 1st floor, if not both of them.

Nothing else really makes sense.

You have 6 people living in your house, all college students, and you don't choose to access 2/3rds of your home until noon on a Monday -- and when you get curious about it you invite "friends" over to call 9-1-1 from your phone due to an "unconscious person"?

There are more ways to get access to the areas that they refused to go in -- several exterior doors which you probably have a key to, if not breaking into a window to check on your roomates --locked door or unconscious person leaning against it or not. The fact that they just stopped and other people had to call 9-1-1 from their phones, not a great look. If they were concerned about the well-being of their roomates, they would have found a way in. Instead, they designed and wanted someone else to call 9-1-1.

Small-town cops are dip****s in general, that's how they get the job, but you introduce two attractive looking college-aged females, they will almost do everything they can to look the other way. They are being manipulated.

I've seen enough of these things over the years to not believe the "it was a random stalker" nonsense.

I think the PD know, which is why they have not released information on the 9-1-1 phone call where "multiple people" talked to the police. I think the "surviving roommates have been cleared" message is just that. That doesn't mean they didnt do it. They have to be 1 and 2 on the top suspects lists as of right now.

Cops just dont have enough evidence to take to a Grand Jury yet.

Means, Motive and Opportunity. 2/3 have been met. They are looking for a motive, and I suspect they will soon find it.

Yeah, no, don't think it was either, or both, of the downstairs females. They didn't overpower and kill the other 4 in the house, especially when 2 of the deceased were in the same room and one was male.

Beyond that, I believe the call happened before noon on Sunday morning, not Monday. It's not unusual for college kids to sleep in until noon on the weekend after partying. Is it confirmed they couldn't access any of the home? I would imagine they still had access to the common areas like kitchen and living room.
I also doubt that the downstairs females did the killing. As to the overpowering part (and mind you I have never read any crime scene testimony) but I don't find it far-fetched to assume one person could kill all four if the attacks started while the victims were asleep particularly if the victims were under the influence of something when they went to bed The girls alone would be no problem for the killer and assuming the guy and girl were in the same bed, kill him then her. Not sure how much resistance someone who was stabbed or had his or her throat cut would put up if they were asleep when it started.

This whole thing bothers me. I know one thing, I could never understand anyone having the capacity to do something like this.
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Has no impact on the murders, but this house has a architectural tragedy all its own.
One that won't continue for much longer. That landlord will eventually have to tear it down since its rental value or resale value is crap.

Wonder how long it will take to get permission to demolish it? I'm asking because of whether a prosecutor might want it up for a jury to view, assuming they ever take someone to trial.
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It's a college market, and you monetize bedrooms. Maximize rent, minimize expenses. Bad layout for anyone else, but great for college kids.


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JFABNRGR said:

That is very logical, thanks for posting. Lets hope they didn't spoil the crime scene too bad; but if you think there is a chance to provide first aid to another you have to do so. Even spoiled I am confident they can analyze correctly it will just take longer.

The question is was the 911 call info updated before police arrived and they may be holding that to allow the parents to grieve a bit.

One possible discrepancy is; I read police arrived before EMS.
It would make sense for a college town for the police to be closer to respond first, especially if it were an unresponsive person (i.e., they would presume it's alcohol or drug poisoning, and have training as emergency first responders).

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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

It's a college market, and you monetize bedrooms. Maximize rent, minimize expenses. Bad layout for anyone else, but great for college kids.
Last listing I saw it rented for just under 2,500 a month. No idea how utilities are handled.
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