TxTarpon said:

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Ok, time of invade Ukraine.
Supermodels for everyone.

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LET'S GO!!!

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Ernest Tucker said:

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Interesting timing with FTX revelation

Quick! Fire up the distraction machine, all newsrooms full speed ahead!!!

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Amazing. Truly amazing. This is why conspiracy theorists run the GOP these days. Everything is a conspiracy. It couldn't be possible that Putin is a giant POS in the middle of an attempted land grab and accidentally launched a missile into a NATO country which is a huge deal. Reality is reality people.. Wake up.

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I don't know if you've considered the time and mental energy you can save by just deciding that everything perfectly fits the narrative you've constructed in your mind, and anything that appears not to is fake.

Weird. I had a dream of watching a nuclear explosion last night. Beautiful colors.

VaultingChemist said:

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Weird. I had a dream of watching a nuclear explosion last night. Beautiful colors.

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A recurring one for me also, but I live near NORAD and AFA and would certainly be targeted first

Same here. At least it would be quick

I have several radiation detectors, but I was told that they would stop working correctly in the immediate aftermath of nuclear fallout. Probably need to be shielded for 12 to 24 hours.

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DRocks said:

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Ernest Tucker said:

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Interesting timing with FTX revelation

Quick! Fire up the distraction machine, all newsrooms full speed ahead!!!

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Amazing. Truly amazing. This is why conspiracy theorists run the GOP these days. Everything is a conspiracy. It couldn't be possible that Putin is a giant POS in the middle of an attempted land grab and accidentally launched a missile into a NATO country which is a huge deal. Reality is reality people.. Wake up.

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Truly Amazing the level of incompetence in the white house these days. It couldn't be possible that Biden, a giant bumbling POS in the middle of a power grab would accidentally, due to dementia, launch his dumb mouth in the middle of a crisis and make everything worse than it should be over an accidental incident of war.

Wake up we are led by a total moron.

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Zero argument in your argument. Congrats. Just crazy dumb

Actual Talking Thermos said:

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DRocks said:

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Ernest Tucker said:

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Interesting timing with FTX revelation

Quick! Fire up the distraction machine, all newsrooms full speed ahead!!!

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Amazing. Truly amazing. This is why conspiracy theorists run the GOP these days. Everything is a conspiracy. It couldn't be possible that Putin is a giant POS in the middle of an attempted land grab and accidentally launched a missile into a NATO country which is a huge deal. Reality is reality people.. Wake up.

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I don't know if you've considered the time and mental energy you can save by just deciding that everything perfectly fits the narrative you've constructed in your mind, and anything that appears not to is fake.

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I realize you don't understand how little sense this makes….wow. I'm in the real world. I welcome you in.

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Zero argument in your argument. Congrats. Just crazy dumb

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LOL.

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From this pic, it doesn't appear the tractor was anywhere near a grain yard.

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Agree, that looks like a bridge, not a pit. Was just going by the limited photo from earlier, and all the reports that a grain silo had been hit.

japantiger said:

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The gov't has lied about every single thing that has gotten us into war for the last 50 years...every, damn, thing...why would anyone expect this to be true.

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'The Nayirah testimony was false testimony given before the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a 15-year-old girl who was publicly identified at the time by her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and President George H. W. Bush in their rationale to support Kuwait in the Gulf War.

In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was Al-aba and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.'

RU made weapons...hhhmmm...who else is using RU made weapons....oh, I don't know...maybe UKEs?

Lies...if the US Gov't is advocating it; it's a lie. Gulf of Tonken, WMD, the Aghan's can handle it, it's not about regime change in Lybia, and on and on and on...

Billy Joel said it best....We Did Start the Fire....

Let's not let the Bengazi youtube video slip under the rug.

VaultingChemist said:

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Weird. I had a dream of watching a nuclear explosion last night. Beautiful colors.

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japantiger said:

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RU made weapons...hhhmmm...who else is using RU made weapons....oh, I don't know...maybe UKEs?

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That's as good a theory as any.

Ukraine gets blue balls over all this and starts playing 'just the tip'

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ttu_85 said:

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DRocks said:

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Ernest Tucker said:

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Interesting timing with FTX revelation

Quick! Fire up the distraction machine, all newsrooms full speed ahead!!!

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Amazing. Truly amazing. This is why conspiracy theorists run the GOP these days. Everything is a conspiracy. It couldn't be possible that Putin is a giant POS in the middle of an attempted land grab and accidentally launched a missile into a NATO country which is a huge deal. Reality is reality people.. Wake up.

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Truly Amazing the level of incompetence in the white house these days. It couldn't be possible that Biden, a giant bumbling POS in the middle of a power grab would accidentally, due to dementia, launch his dumb mouth in the middle of a crisis and make everything worse than it should be over an accidental incident of war.

Wake up we are led by a total moron.

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Zero argument in your argument. Congrats. Just crazy dumb

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I made as many "arguments" as you did.

So do tell, do you think Biden in not a bubbling idiot? The only argument you need is to watch one of his press briefings or an interview? If you think otherwise you are clearly uninformed or the one thats dumb.

Rossticus said:

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Polish military expert group arrived to the explosion site.

As there are remains of the rocket there, experts will be able to say with certainty what kind of rocket it was and whether or not it was Russian. pic.twitter.com/MyeAVIIg8v

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) November 15, 2022

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I love how these experts show up there with lights a blazing like the paw patrol.

Who knows whats going on with any of this?

This feels a lot like the Nordstream 2 incident a few weeks ago.

Wtf happened there?

We still don't know,

Two weeks from now we won't have a definitive answer on this either,

japantiger said:

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RU made weapons...hhhmmm...who else is using RU made weapons....oh, I don't know...maybe UKEs?

Lies...if the US Gov't is advocating it; it's a lie. Gulf of Tonken, WMD, the Aghan's can handle it, it's not about regime change in Lybia, and on and on and on...

Billy Joel said it best....We Did Start the Fire....

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Ukes don't have Khinzals, so if it turns out to be one then there's only one place it could have come from. It's also a fact that Russia launched numerous cruise missiles through that airspace on the same day. Unless you've an explanation for how those also weren't Russian? Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Trump is now part of the conspiracy to start WW3. He's clearly lying to cover for Biden.

Trump on Poland: "A missile was sent in probably by Russia"

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) November 16, 2022

A NATO aircraft (presumably, E-3A Sentry AWACS) flying above Polish airspace on Tuesday tracked the missile that landed in the country, an alliance military official told CNN on Tuesday.

The intel of the radar tracks was provided to NATO & Poland.

— Status-6 (@Archer83Able) November 16, 2022

POLISH PRESIDENT DUDA SAYS WE HAVE NO DEFINITE EVIDENCE OF WHO FIRED ROCKET THAT FELL ON VILLAGE

— Breaking Market News (@breakingmkts) November 15, 2022

Reading the tea leaves here lends credence to the idea that this was a SAM miss.

We'll find out one way or the other in the next 24-48. Just have to be patient. People thinking this is some kind of false flag need to chill because it's exactly the type of incident that's easy to give a mulligan on. NOT how you'd set something up if you wanted to set off the tinderbox.

Nobody is going to start a broader war over a missile landing in a rural area even if two poor folks died on account of it.

Rossticus said:

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We'll find out one way or the other in the next 24-48. Just have to be patient. People thinking this is some kind of false flag need to chill because it's exactly the type of incident that's easy to give a mulligan on. NOT how you'd set something up if you wanted to set off the tinderbox.

Nobody is going to start a broader war over a missile landing in a rural area even if two poor folks died on account of it.

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Agree. The false flag idea is a nonstarter. At most maybe you could say media is trying to put a spin on it to ramp up tensions but the event itself was unintentional no matter who's missile it was.

In any event, they need to get a handle on using the words missile and rocket interchangeably.

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S&P has turned negative after a strong start to the day.

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That happened before the explosion.

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Huh? S&P started dropping around 12 central as this first started to take off on Twitter. Went negative right around when I posted (12:39).

Here's a tweet from closer to noon:

“Two stray rockets fell in the town of Przewodów in Poland on the border with Ukraine. They hit the grain dryers. Two people died.”
😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

— WarMonitor🇺🇦 (@WarMonitor3) November 15, 2022

S&P bounced back and finished up .87%. Was up quite a bit higher pre news break.

It seems hard to accidentally/randomly kill people at an ag facility in such a rural area.

If it was pure accident it would've hit a field, not a silo.

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It seems hard to accidentally/randomly kill people at an ag facility in such a rural area.

If it was pure accident it would've hit a field, not a silo.

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What are you getting at? There is no possible scenario where that would have any value for Russia to aim at or accomplish.

RebelE Infantry said:

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POLISH PRESIDENT DUDA SAYS WE HAVE NO DEFINITE EVIDENCE OF WHO FIRED ROCKET THAT FELL ON VILLAGE

— Breaking Market News (@breakingmkts) November 15, 2022

Reading the tea leaves here lends credence to the idea that this was a SAM miss.

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It's daytime in Poland. Let's see pictures of the Ag facility. Way too many itchy trigger fingers and some face saving activities going on here.

I still 100% believe it was a grain dust explosion, but media jumped all over this as a missile from Russia. Russia needs their asses kicked, but let's use some logic.

Rossticus said:

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A NATO aircraft (presumably, E-3A Sentry AWACS) flying above Polish airspace on Tuesday tracked the missile that landed in the country, an alliance military official told CNN on Tuesday.

The intel of the radar tracks was provided to NATO & Poland.

— Status-6 (@Archer83Able) November 16, 2022

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If this is true than there should be no question as to what happened.

So why all the the confusion and maneuvering?

Because this is delicate isht that you need to approach in a measured and precise fashion. The wrong response can have echoing repercussions. There's a lot of political discussion that has to happen between allies plus discussions, assessments, contingencies, etc from military leaders.

Lots of moving parts. Going off half cocked gets people killed. I'm glad Poland is running this show instead of Pee Paw, that's for damn sure.

WASHINGTON (AP) — US officials: Initial findings suggest missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian missile.

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) November 16, 2022

Unnamed "US Officials" so grains of salt and all.

RebelE Infantry said:

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Unnamed "US Officials" so grains of salt and all.

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AP going with it too. Not a surprise as it was the most likely explanation. We'll see if the story changes but I doubt it. Utterly unprofessional to leak it prior to Poland, though.

Three U.S. officials told the @AP that preliminary assessments indicate the missile that struck Poland had been fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile.https://t.co/0M7UuvvjCz

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 16, 2022