FriscoKid said:
How about we just wait for the Polish investigators to make a statement?
Because that's not fun at all
FriscoKid said:
How about we just wait for the Polish investigators to make a statement?
Then just you and DC only can fight any war over it.BattleGrackle said:
Drunk drivers don't get a pass when they cause an accident. Russia has been acting dangerously for months now. They may have made a mistake and hit a 3rd county, that's not a good excuse
titan said:
The bottom line is this is not an attack on Poland. It wouldn't be just two missiles.
It might be an accidental strike on Poland, but there is no malice there. You have to treat it like a collision at sea. Unless of course you want war. Biden has never given the impression he wants peace.
The other example where incidental missile strikes of no military value are used is when you want to draw someone into a war--- like Saddam lobbing Scud missiles into Israel. But Russia has no motive, in fact the opposite, to seek to draw Poland into the war, by extension, directly NATO.
So its clearly an accident, assuming its Russian as indicated.
Oh, I didn't say there shouldn't be demands made. It just not a deliberate act from the highest level--- it would obviously be larger and more strategic.Definitely Not A Cop said:titan said:
The bottom line is this is not an attack on Poland. It wouldn't be just two missiles.
It might be an accidental strike on Poland, but there is no malice there. You have to treat it like a collision at sea. Unless of course you want war. Biden has never given the impression he wants peace.
The other example where incidental missile strikes of no military value are used is when you want to draw someone into a war--- like Saddam lobbing Scud missiles into Israel. But Russia has no motive, in fact the opposite, to seek to draw Poland into the war, by extension, directly NATO.
So its clearly an accident, assuming its Russian as indicated.
Titan got to disagree with you having to treat it like a collision at sea. Maybe it was just a big Russian screwup (assuming that it was a missile attack as indicated). But if russia is going to use weapons like this that they can't control, then Putin should bear full responsibility and should have to go on an ass kissing tour. He needs to kiss NATO's ring to make amends. Or he needs to surrender the weapons he can't control.
Hell, Kim Jong Un can control where his missiles land better, we should expect more from Russia.
FriscoKid said:
The tractor is even in the picture!
TheEternalPessimist said:I agree with your assessment.titan said:
The bottom line is this is not an attack on Poland. It wouldn't be just two missiles.
It might be an accidental strike on Poland, but there is no malice there. You have to treat it like a collision at sea. Unless of course you want war. Biden has never given the impression he wants peace.
The other example where incidental missile strikes of no military value are used is when you want to draw someone into a war--- like Saddam lobbing Scud missiles into Israel. But Russia has no motive, in fact the opposite, to seek to draw Poland into the war, by extension, directly NATO.
So its clearly an accident, assuming its Russian as indicated.
But Moscow and Minsk need to issue apologies and clarify this with swift effect.
It is not hyperbole to say that the fate of the civilized world may rely on clearing up intent/accident here.
Two people were killed in an explosion at a grain plant in the village of Przewodow, Poland, about four miles north of the Ukrainian border. The cause of the explosion was not immediately clear. https://t.co/9hTRuujcdE
— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 15, 2022
The Russian missile screw-up that ended up killing two Poles will result in NATO invoking article 4 not article 5 (see below). The consultation will probably result in more support for Ukraine, particularly air and anti-air power. Will give Poland some real influence. pic.twitter.com/n92JHvFqGv
— Phillips P. OBrien (@PhillipsPOBrien) November 15, 2022
Quote:
I don't see an upside for Russia to owning it if it was an errant strike, rather than just denying it I don't see an upside for Russia to owning it if it was an errant strike, rather than just denying it as Western devilry. That message already has a welcome platform here.
74OA said:
Unlikely in the extreme that this was an attack, and accidents don't trigger NATO's Article 5.
If Russia wanted to start WWIII, it would do more than hit a remote village with two errant missiles.
Cooler heads will prevail.
It's just an internet message board. We aren't crafting policy here.FriscoKid said:
How about we just wait for the Polish investigators to make a statement?
Polish reporter on blasts tonight: My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a [Russian] rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. https://t.co/h4B8wjgT7U
— Paul Cunningham (@RTENewsPaulC) November 15, 2022
Russian market collapsed on the news of two missiles landing on the territory of Poland, a NATO member. pic.twitter.com/xzOwAdmkuc
— ТРУХА⚡️English (@TpyxaNews) November 15, 2022
titan said:Oh, I didn't say there shouldn't be demands made. It just not a deliberate act from the highest level--- it would obviously be larger and more strategic.Definitely Not A Cop said:titan said:
The bottom line is this is not an attack on Poland. It wouldn't be just two missiles.
It might be an accidental strike on Poland, but there is no malice there. You have to treat it like a collision at sea. Unless of course you want war. Biden has never given the impression he wants peace.
The other example where incidental missile strikes of no military value are used is when you want to draw someone into a war--- like Saddam lobbing Scud missiles into Israel. But Russia has no motive, in fact the opposite, to seek to draw Poland into the war, by extension, directly NATO.
So its clearly an accident, assuming its Russian as indicated.
Titan got to disagree with you having to treat it like a collision at sea. Maybe it was just a big Russian screwup (assuming that it was a missile attack as indicated). But if russia is going to use weapons like this that they can't control, then Putin should bear full responsibility and should have to go on an ass kissing tour. He needs to kiss NATO's ring to make amends. Or he needs to surrender the weapons he can't control.
Hell, Kim Jong Un can control where his missiles land better, we should expect more from Russia.
Ah yes, that could be. Because it is the same place involved--- money laundering through Ukraine.Ernest Tucker said:
Interesting timing with FTX revelation
Quick! Fire up the distraction machine, all newsrooms full speed ahead!!!
Polish reporter on blasts tonight: My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a [Russian] rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. https://t.co/h4B8wjgT7U
— Paul Cunningham (@RTENewsPaulC) November 15, 2022
Ernest Tucker said:
Interesting timing with FTX revelation
Quick! Fire up the distraction machine, all newsrooms full speed ahead!!!
Amazing. Truly amazing. This is why conspiracy theorists run the GOP these days. Everything is a conspiracy. It couldn't be possible that Putin is a giant POS in the middle of an attempted land grab and accidentally launched a missile into a NATO country which is a huge deal. Reality is reality people.. Wake up.Ernest Tucker said:
Interesting timing with FTX revelation
Quick! Fire up the distraction machine, all newsrooms full speed ahead!!!
NATO should back them up as well. It should be a multi-pronged response to show NATO solidarity.Houstonag said:
Only one answer. Poland should fire one back. Accident or not Poland cannot let this go.
LoudestWHOOP! said:74OA said:
Unlikely in the extreme that this was an attack, and accidents don't trigger NATO's Article 5.
If Russia wanted to start WWIII, it would do more than hit a remote village with two errant missiles.
Cooler heads will prevail.
Cooler heads?
A post on a college football message board caused the GOP to be run by conspiracy theorists?DRocks said:Amazing. Truly amazing. This is why conspiracy theorists run the GOP these days. Everything is a conspiracy. It couldn't be possible that Putin is a giant POS in the middle of an attempted land grab and accidentally launched a missile into a NATO country which is a huge deal. Reality is reality people.. Wake up.Ernest Tucker said:
Interesting timing with FTX revelation
Quick! Fire up the distraction machine, all newsrooms full speed ahead!!!
What is F18?BadMoonRisin said:
Another premium member, enlightening us with his wisdom. Welcome to F18.