Please take off the Trump colored classes.

Yes, most of his candidates won, but they would have won if Trump had not said a word.

Then he gave us candidates who won, but not by nearly as much as they would have if they did not have Trump hanging around their neck.

And lastly, he gave us candidates who lost races which were easily winnable, specifically Pennsylvania, Arizona, and likely Georgia. Nevada remains to be seen. He was also a drag on some House races as well. Democrats financially backed candidates Trump supported in the primary, knowing they would be easier to beat.

Trump's time has passed. Hand it off to someone else, DeSantis or Noem would be the best two.

Trump needs to move on.We can't win with Trump.

The entire GOP is fractured too much to compete with the D machine. Trump is the leader of it, but we all know he's very self-centered. Mitch McConnell gets a pass from this board somehow when he (like Trump) could have directly influenced a few big races. McCarthy couldn't pull a Gingrich and get everyone on a national message that resonated with voters.

All of this while the dims totally f-d the country and gave the GOP a layup.

DeSantis may be the future, but he's not yet the glue to bring everyone together. It'll be another bumpy couple of years. The US deserves what it gets here.

TexAgs91 said:

---

It's just a bunch of TDS people looking for any excuse to gripe about Trump.

---

This is what I don't get.

I agree with most of the sentiments on this board and think Trump is a narcissist and problematic for the GOP, he absolutely makes everything about himself and often displays childlike behavior, i.e. all the name calling, even to those in his own party.

Trump calling Desantis names, what in the world? I understand (and laugh) when he calls Pelosi or Warren names, but Desantis? It's simply a bad look, for both him AND the party!

I voted for Trump twice and if he's the nominee in '24 I will vote for him a third time.

How on earth do you think I have TDS, given that? Because I don't blindly say everything he does is awesome and perfect?

Some people are so brainwashed that they can't call balls and strikes and will defend everything he does.

It's hero worship and similar to some sport fanbases and their star players where they can excuse away any type of behavior. It's sick.

Irish 2.0 said:

---

You need to take your ****ing rose colored glasses off and realize Trump is a liability to the GOP. Not an asset.

---

Yeah, from other side of aisle DeSantis is scarier to me than trump from electability perspective and his ability to communicate his platforms.

I actually want both Trump and DeSantis to run so that Trump will get embarrassed and retire from politics for good. He'll attack DeSantis the same way he attacked Cruz, but this time when he tries to call Mrs. DeSantis ugly, people will laugh him off of the stump because she is a smoke show.

LMCane said:

---

any Republican too stupid to see the future is DeSantis Red Florida -

deserves what we will get if Trump is the nominee.

---

Boom. We are done here.

I love Trump mainly because he will fight the deep state and globalist agendas. That's our biggest threat. I'd love it if DeSantis would be his running mate. That would be an easy ticket to vote for.

Bunk Moreland said:

---

Of the $100 million Trump had, he only spent $15 million and saddled the GOP with a lot of clunker candidates. Part of the base, however, would rather blame conspiracies than ever cast doubt on Trump.

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) November 9, 2022

Trump and his leeches thank everyone for bankrolling their lifestyle the last 2 years.

---

The billionaire? Give me a freaking break. Donating $ would not have changed anything. The cheating in Philly and Phoenix is too large currently. Just like Miami 5 years ago. I give credit to DeSantis for cleaning that up. Nothing can be done if leftys cheat to keep leftys ability to cheat. Simple. Serious TDS this morning from you.

Beat40 said:

---

The greatest damage Trump did was claim the election was stolen without solid evidence at the time. That made any questioning of how things were handled a far-right conspiracy.

From that time forward, any legitamite election reform talks were always going to be spun as conspiracy.

Huge damage.

---

You know the cheaters were able to destroy the evidence of their crimes, right. You think he should have been quiet after the largest obvious crime perpetuated against this country? Then, they covered their tracts illegally. Sheesh. I guess all the weak concerned moderates are going to be out in force today.

Bunk Moreland said:

---

TexAgs91 said:

---

He has every right to run, and not only deserves a 2nd term but was elected by the people in 2020 for a 2nd term.

---

Nobody is 'deserving' of a presidential term and he was not elected by the people in 2020.

---

After all he accomplished in his first term and having to endure hysterical dems? Yes he most certainly deserves a second term. And yes, the 2020 election was stolen.

Trump could have paid for the mail in ballot campaign for Oz in PA. Instead, he sat around waiting for Republicans to fondle his nuts.

Welloiledmachine04 said:

---

Beat40 said:

---

The greatest damage Trump did was claim the election was stolen without solid evidence at the time. That made any questioning of how things were handled a far-right conspiracy.

From that time forward, any legitamite election reform talks were always going to be spun as conspiracy.

Huge damage.

---

You know the cheaters were able to destroy the evidence of their crimes, right. You think he should have been quiet after the largest obvious crime perpetuated against this country? Then, they covered their tracts illegally. Sheesh. I guess all the weak concerned moderates are going to be out in force today.

---

Let'em wallow in their sheep pens. They'll see the truth eventually. Well, maybe the ones not so far gone.

With the exception of Vance and maybe Lake, all of those candidates would have won with or without Trump's endorsement.

Walker may lose
Oz lost
Masters will probably lose

Trump is not the king maker everyone makes him out to be. This slavish devotion to him will be the downfall of us all.

tremble said:

---

Instead, he sat around waiting for Republicans to fondle his nuts.

---

Link?

AggieUSMC said:

---

With the exception of Vance and maybe Lake, all of those candidates would have won with or without Trump's endorsement.

Walker may lose
Oz lost
Masters will probably lose

Trump is not the king maker everyone makes him out to be. This slavish devotion to him will be the downfall of us all.

---

Vance was going to win either way, but Trump made it closer than it otherwise would have been.

Lake would be doing better without Trump around her neck, and making much of her campaign about the 2020 election. She basically has tired to be the female version of Trump.

dreyOO said:

---

The entire GOP is fractured too much to compete with the D machine. Trump is the leader of it, but we all know he's very self-centered. Mitch McConnell gets a pass from this board somehow when he (like Trump) could have directly influenced a few big races. McCarthy couldn't pull a Gingrich and get everyone on a national message that resonated with voters.

All of this while the dims totally f-d the country and gave the GOP a layup.

DeSantis may be the future, but he's not yet the glue to bring everyone together. It'll be another bumpy couple of years. The US deserves what it gets here.

---

DeSantis is playing a wily game. I don't think he wants to tangle with Trump or lose his supporters, and he's not going to make that national move until he's sure Trump can't do any damage to his campaign.

tremble said:

---

Trump could have paid for the mail in ballot campaign for Oz in PA. Instead, he sat around waiting for Republicans to fondle his nuts.

---

Oz could have paid for it. You could have paid for it. Geez, what is your point?

LDP, Trump is looking for you

Last I saw, individuals voted, not Trump.

Yes he is an influencer, but if one wants to cut their nose off to spite their face, and vote for child murderers, inflation-makers, dividers, liars, racists, science-deniers and fear mongers... that is who you blame. Don't blame Trump or anyone else.

Point the finger at the sheep or fools that did the voting.


So yes, that means that about 10-15% of the country falls into that category, and they join the other 35-40% of the country that votes that way because they love misery. Sorry to tell you all that, but that is the truth. 50% of the country is insane.

OverSeas AG said:

---

Last I saw, individuals voted, not Trump.

Yes he is an influencer, but if one wants to cut their nose off to spite their face, and vote for child murderers, inflation-makers, dividers, liars, racists, science-deniers and fear mongers... that is who you blame. Don't blame Trump or anyone else.

Point the finger at the sheep or fools that did the voting.


So yes, that means that about 10-15% of the country falls into that category, and they join the other 35-40% of the country that votes that way because they love misery. Sorry to tell you all that, but that is the truth. 50% of the country is insane.

---

Thats the point many in this thread and others are making. Trump is that polarizing of a figure.

TXAGFAN said:

---

OverSeas AG said:

---

Last I saw, individuals voted, not Trump.

Yes he is an influencer, but if one wants to cut their nose off to spite their face, and vote for child murderers, inflation-makers, dividers, liars, racists, science-deniers and fear mongers... that is who you blame. Don't blame Trump or anyone else.

Point the finger at the sheep or fools that did the voting.


So yes, that means that about 10-15% of the country falls into that category, and they join the other 35-40% of the country that votes that way because they love misery. Sorry to tell you all that, but that is the truth. 50% of the country is insane.

---

Thats the point many in this thread and others are making. Trump is that polarizing of a figure.

---

He may be polarizing ( FTR I am for DeSantis in 2024 ), Trump needs to fade into history, but I am not going to blame him for the insanity of others. He didn't cause their dumbassery and if people believe that to be true, they have their head in the ground wanting to blame someone else, instead of accepting the fact, that 50% of the country is insane.

Agreed. We will need a unifier amongst the GOP. And also one that inspires all the dissatisfied voters out there to actually throw the incumbents out.

OverSeas AG said:

---

TXAGFAN said:

---

OverSeas AG said:

---

Last I saw, individuals voted, not Trump.

Yes he is an influencer, but if one wants to cut their nose off to spite their face, and vote for child murderers, inflation-makers, dividers, liars, racists, science-deniers and fear mongers... that is who you blame. Don't blame Trump or anyone else.

Point the finger at the sheep or fools that did the voting.


So yes, that means that about 10-15% of the country falls into that category, and they join the other 35-40% of the country that votes that way because they love misery. Sorry to tell you all that, but that is the truth. 50% of the country is insane.

---

Thats the point many in this thread and others are making. Trump is that polarizing of a figure.

---

He may be polarizing ( FTR I am for DeSantis in 2024 ), Trump needs to fade into history, but I am not going to blame him for the insanity of others. He didn't cause their dumbassery and if people believe that to be true, they have their head in the ground wanting to blame someone else, instead of accepting the fact, that 50% of the country is insane.

---

THIS. Trump's policies only appeal to those capable of detaching from emotion and critical thinking such as built much of what we have, but what the present is just `coasting' on and will soon fade.

Trump's not to blame for that that only emotional appeals will work, and that doing well with policies attempted is not enough.

Even his abrasion was often in response to attacks. He offered to work with Pelosi -- she is the one who refused. Never stop loathing the recalcitrant uncompromising Left.

Trump could have been a Center Liberal President if they had the brains to work with him. But Nooo...

Trump is a symptom of a disease - the complete lack of strategic GOP leadership. Turtle would rather be minority leader and pick and choose his friends in the senate than fund a GOP senate candidate that won't lick his boots. Don't see anyone calling him out.

Like I posted earlier, Newt Gingrich didn't sit back and wait for recently defeated George HW Bush to campaign for house candidates and come up with the Contract With America. The duds we have in GOP house leadership are a bunch of do-nothing also-rans just waiting their turn to feed at the trough.

For as much galvanizing he does for Rs, he equals if not adds Ds to show up and vote against him. You see it all the way down to the local elections. The whole Hildalgo strategy was to paint Mealer as a Trump sycophant, and it paid off.

BBRex said:

---

dreyOO said:

---

The entire GOP is fractured too much to compete with the D machine. Trump is the leader of it, but we all know he's very self-centered. Mitch McConnell gets a pass from this board somehow when he (like Trump) could have directly influenced a few big races. McCarthy couldn't pull a Gingrich and get everyone on a national message that resonated with voters.

All of this while the dims totally f-d the country and gave the GOP a layup.

DeSantis may be the future, but he's not yet the glue to bring everyone together. It'll be another bumpy couple of years. The US deserves what it gets here.

---

DeSantis is playing a wily game. I don't think he wants to tangle with Trump or lose his supporters, and he's not going to make that national move until he's sure Trump can't do any damage to his campaign.

---

DeSantis is a talented politician...Trump...isn't/.

Trump is, and always will be, a Populist and a Narcissist. His whole campaign was built around populism and pulling in blue dog democrats that the the Democratic party threw under the bus and ignored. Illegal immigration is bad - build the wall! And since the media is dead set of being woke - he message resounded with people. The media insist on calling illegal immigrants "migrants". And that pisses a bunch of people off. Trump, in his crude way, called them out.

And his persona is built around being a loud mouth dick. He says everything as narcissistically and crudely as possible. He uses the simplest terms. And it resonates with a bunch of people that are mad. He's said what they REALLY wanted to hear - in a way they REALLY wanted to hear it.

And he followed 0. And he ran against Hillary - the only person in politics more polarizing than Trump.

That's it. That is the depth of Trumpism.

The Republican party should have never included him in the Republican debates. Because he is not a Republican. But they were scared of him. Scared he would pull votes ala Perot. Well, they were scared of the wrong things.

This board was and is one of the biggest supporters of Trump. The fact that a response calling bull**** on LDP's original post garnered SIGNIFICANTLY more likes then the defense of LDP's original post shows that Trumpism is played out.

Time to move on.

Zarathustra said:

---

The frustration with Trump is that he made the election about himself and not the issues. If the Republicans couldn't sweep every race under these conditions there is no hope when the Dems actually have good candidates and a stable economy.

---

You actually nailed what was wrong with Trump as POTUS. He used the issues and popular distaste for government to get into office, then made the most important position in the world all about him. Winning wasn't about serving the country, but about feeding his ego. He started with a Republican controlled Congress, with bigger majorities than Biden has had with the Dems, and in those first two years turned off enough of the country to lose the House and a reduced majority in the Senate. And enough more of the country to lose in 2020 to a has been (never was?) Biden. Character does matter.

LMCane said:

---

the leftists ran on LITERALLY two issues

Abortion
Trump

one we can't do anything about

the other one we can.

any Republican too stupid to see the future is DeSantis Red Florida -

deserves what we will get if Trump is the nominee.

---

I definitely want Trump to disappear. I'm just not ready to Jump on the Desantis bandwagon. Better than Trump? You bet. But I'd like to see a great GOP candidate who is less divisive and more uniting. The whole country would benefit.

AggiePops said:

---

Zarathustra said:

---

The frustration with Trump is that he made the election about himself and not the issues. If the Republicans couldn't sweep every race under these conditions there is no hope when the Dems actually have good candidates and a stable economy.

---

You actually nailed what was wrong with Trump as POTUS. He used the issues and popular distaste for government to get into office, then made the most important position in the world all about him. Winning wasn't about serving the country, but about feeding his ego. He started with a Republican controlled Congress, with bigger majorities than Biden has had with the Dems, and in those first two years turned off enough of the country to lose the House and a reduced majority in the Senate. And enough more of the country to lose in 2020 to a has been (never was?) Biden. Character does matter.

---

That sums up most politicians.... That is the only way half of these nitwits get elected.

BBRex said:

---

dreyOO said:

---

The entire GOP is fractured too much to compete with the D machine. Trump is the leader of it, but we all know he's very self-centered. Mitch McConnell gets a pass from this board somehow when he (like Trump) could have directly influenced a few big races. McCarthy couldn't pull a Gingrich and get everyone on a national message that resonated with voters.

All of this while the dims totally f-d the country and gave the GOP a layup.

DeSantis may be the future, but he's not yet the glue to bring everyone together. It'll be another bumpy couple of years. The US deserves what it gets here.

---

DeSantis is playing a wily game. I don't think he wants to tangle with Trump or lose his supporters, and he's not going to make that national move until he's sure Trump can't do any damage to his campaign.

---

Give Trump enough rope and he will hang himself.

All you need to know about Trump is his statement that he should get credit for all the wins of the people he backed, but none of the fault for any of them that lost.

Anything, regardless of connection that goes right, is due to his awesomeness, while anything that goes wrong is someone else's fault.

Pathetic.

AggiePops said:

---

All you need to know about Trump is his statement that he should get credit for all the wins of the people he backed, but none of the fault for any of them that lost.

Anything, regardless of connection that goes right, is due to his awesomeness, while anything that goes wrong is someone else's fault.

Pathetic.

---

Surprised he didn't say it's not his fault AND the Dems cheated for the full impact.

Thunderstormr said:

---

LMCane said:

---

the leftists ran on LITERALLY two issues

Abortion
Trump

one we can't do anything about

the other one we can.

any Republican too stupid to see the future is DeSantis Red Florida -

deserves what we will get if Trump is the nominee.

---

I definitely want Trump to disappear. I'm just not ready to Jump on the Desantis bandwagon. Better than Trump? You bet. But I'd like to see a great GOP candidate who is less divisive and more uniting. The whole country would benefit.

---

(Italics) You consider DeSantis divisive??? (We are not talking about alienating the View. There is no uniting with the Left) Center Liberals would probably like him enough.