Sounds like a lot of ifs and buts to me. The reality is what should have been a red wave turned in to a complete **** show and Trump at least had a hand in that. He is simply too toxic and needs to just go away at this point. BTW you are smart enough to know that if Georgia goes to a runoff the Democrats will go all in and make sure their guy wins.LegalDrugPusher said:
I agree to some extent that Trump played a part in last night not turning out the way we all wanted. But to say all the Trump backed candidates lost is pathetic not even close.
In no particular order of Trump backed who won and I'm sure I will not even mention all:
Ken Paxton
Greg Abbott
Beth Van Duyne
Dan Patrick
Frederick Frazier
Dawn Buckingham
Monica De La Cruz
Ron Johnson will win
Kari Lake is still in the hunt
Adam Laxalt is leading
Joe Lombardo- Nevada Governor
All the Florida winners
Ted Budd for NC Senator
Hershel Walker will be in a runoff
So I don't get all this bashing I don't get it at all.
We are going to win back the house and if Adam Laxalt can keep his lead Ron Johnson wins and if Herschel wins the runoff we control the Senate
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The fact that we as a party are split on here discussing this, shows Trump failed to unite a coalition within the party and we can't win with him at the top.
Go outside the party and it's a slam dunk why he lost. We want his message just not him.
I voted 2x would vote a 3rd but we just will not win with Trump.
Go outside the party and it's a slam dunk why he lost. We want his message just not him.
I voted 2x would vote a 3rd but we just will not win with Trump.
Trump did his part as a republican .. he took on the media and exposed these voters areas around the country that you are all questioning.now, he opened your eyes to what's going on with elections.
That being said, most of here now believe Dasantis is a better option and is Less divisive .. how ever, much of this stuff about Trump in the media is media driven. They will do the same thing to Desantis if he becomes the Republicans front runner .. owning the media means the front runner is all of a sudden AssHo number 1
The extremism's on both the far right and far left need to be toned down in this country .. social media has proliferated the extremes on both sides .. it needs to be stopped by ALL of the politicians in office .. unfortunately I doubt that happens
That being said, most of here now believe Dasantis is a better option and is Less divisive .. how ever, much of this stuff about Trump in the media is media driven. They will do the same thing to Desantis if he becomes the Republicans front runner .. owning the media means the front runner is all of a sudden AssHo number 1
The extremism's on both the far right and far left need to be toned down in this country .. social media has proliferated the extremes on both sides .. it needs to be stopped by ALL of the politicians in office .. unfortunately I doubt that happens
Trump is toxic and Florida yesterday should make it abundantly clear the future of the party. If you can't see that, nothing can help you
No, Trump did some good things -( employment was great, border security, higher standard deduction, Supreme Court). But that doesn't give him a pass for empowering Biden by losing us the Senate. He is untrustworthy.Bunk Moreland said:whytho987654 said:
Trump is self-destructing. He acts like a clown and is acting like one now by slandering the best face of the gop. He was a great president, but its time he just go hang out on the golf courses and make his occasional public appearance.
Wasn't even a very good president. His accomplishments were beating Hillary and USSC nominees which were fed to him by the heritage foundation, but credit for not deviating from the list.
Everything else was exhausting and he happily fed into that.
Bunk Moreland said:whytho987654 said:
Trump is self-destructing. He acts like a clown and is acting like one now by slandering the best face of the gop. He was a great president, but its time he just go hang out on the golf courses and make his occasional public appearance.
Wasn't even a very good president. His accomplishments were beating Hillary and USSC nominees which were fed to him by the heritage foundation, but credit for not deviating from the list.
Everything else was exhausting and he happily fed into that.
The peace deals in the Middle East were actually a big deal, but because of the media hate, they never covered them or gave him credit.
OP is busy texting Lara Trump for talking points after sending his morning selfie to her.
sam callahan said:
Abbott won because of Trump? Ridiculous
Johnson will win? Because Trump or despite him. His an attorney incumbent fighting for his life.
Giving Trump credit for these wins is like me taking credit for the Astros winning because I picked them to win it all halfway through the series.
You're missing the point I'm not saying they only won because of Trump many didn't but y'all are trying to say that whoever endorsed by Trump is going to lose and that's completely BS
Do you realize how many of us firm conservatives and true market believers held their nose for Trump? Sure we like to see him enrage the left and the media but he's done more to hurt conservatism in this country.
And many of y'all bashed me last spring when I promoted Ken Paxton saying he will not win Primary or general
LegalDrugPusher said:
I agree to some extent that Trump played a part in last night not turning out the way we all wanted. But to say all the Trump backed candidates lost is pathetic not even close.
In no particular order of Trump backed who won and I'm sure I will not even mention all:
Ken Paxton
Greg Abbott
Beth Van Duyne
Dan Patrick
Frederick Frazier
Dawn Buckingham
Monica De La Cruz
Ron Johnson will win
Kari Lake is still in the hunt
Adam Laxalt is leading
Joe Lombardo- Nevada Governor
All the Florida winners
Ted Budd for NC Senator
Hershel Walker will be in a runoff
So I don't get all this bashing I don't get it at all.
We are going to win back the house and if Adam Laxalt can keep his lead Ron Johnson wins and if Herschel wins the runoff we control the Senate
That's some crazy spin
The Republican party has all stars in its party.
Trump needs to go away.
I honestly believe Trump is the only thing holding the Republican party back.
Trump needs to go away.
I honestly believe Trump is the only thing holding the Republican party back.
Of the $100 million Trump had, he only spent $15 million and saddled the GOP with a lot of clunker candidates. Part of the base, however, would rather blame conspiracies than ever cast doubt on Trump.
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) November 9, 2022
Trump and his leeches thank everyone for bankrolling their lifestyle the last 2 years.
The point is Trump's endorsement does little on the upside but clearly causes problems on the downside. Coupled with just bad candidates in some places.
If you were a Reagan-type or Cruz-type Conservative running for state or national office would you want Trump endorsing you? Not sure there's much agenda overlap there anymore, except maybe border control.
Both can be true.
I loved trump. Huge supoorter during his presidency. Amazing policies. He was attacked viciously by the media. Horrific what they did. Fascist in their approach - every - day.
Trump needs to chill. Go away. His base is 36%. He's too abrasive. He's too egotistical.
Time to move forward with Desantis. His Florida numbers are amazing. He can win in 2024.
I loved trump. Huge supoorter during his presidency. Amazing policies. He was attacked viciously by the media. Horrific what they did. Fascist in their approach - every - day.
Trump needs to chill. Go away. His base is 36%. He's too abrasive. He's too egotistical.
Time to move forward with Desantis. His Florida numbers are amazing. He can win in 2024.
Agthatbuilds said:LegalDrugPusher said:
I agree to some extent that Trump played a part in last night not turning out the way we all wanted. But to say all the Trump backed candidates lost is pathetic not even close.
In no particular order of Trump backed who won and I'm sure I will not even mention all:
Ken Paxton
Greg Abbott
Beth Van Duyne
Dan Patrick
Frederick Frazier
Dawn Buckingham
Monica De La Cruz
Ron Johnson will win
Kari Lake is still in the hunt
Adam Laxalt is leading
Joe Lombardo- Nevada Governor
All the Florida winners
Ted Budd for NC Senator
Hershel Walker will be in a runoff
So I don't get all this bashing I don't get it at all.
We are going to win back the house and if Adam Laxalt can keep his lead Ron Johnson wins and if Herschel wins the runoff we control the Senate
That's some crazy spin
What part is not true?
This, dems have talking points, republicans argue about who is a "true" or "holier than thou" conservative. Just read any abortion thread.Zarathustra said:
The Trump problem really isn't about Trump. The bigger problem is that there is no leadership or coherent message in the Republican party. There's no alternative to Trumpism on the national level.
The whole RNC leadership should be removed.
The strength of Trump's cult of personality is completely dumbfounding. He's a narcissist and a loser. Move on and win!
Jesus Christ…you're on the block list now. I say this as someone that respects your work in GOP circles. But you're enamored with Trump and it hurts your other efforts.
I'm just tired of your Trump **** and the fact that 95% of Republicans on this board, people on your side, are telling you this and you still don't recognize the issue means you're prepared to sink on the boat with Trump steering it.
I'm just tired of your Trump **** and the fact that 95% of Republicans on this board, people on your side, are telling you this and you still don't recognize the issue means you're prepared to sink on the boat with Trump steering it.
That may be your point, but the real point is that Trump does more harm than good.
For God's sake he is going after the brightest republican star from last night! Is that for the country's benefit? Or his?
Rhetorical questions by the way. I don't want you hurting something bending reality to fit your hero worship.
For God's sake he is going after the brightest republican star from last night! Is that for the country's benefit? Or his?
Rhetorical questions by the way. I don't want you hurting something bending reality to fit your hero worship.
fullback44 said:
Trump did his part as a republican .. he took on the media and exposed these voters areas around the country that you are all questioning.now, he opened your eyes to what's going on with elections.
That being said, most of here now believe Dasantis is a better option and is Less divisive .. how ever, much of this stuff about Trump in the media is media driven. They will do the same thing to Desantis if he becomes the Republicans front runner .. owning the media means the front runner is all of a sudden AssHo number 1
The extremism's on both the far right and far left need to be toned down in this country .. social media has proliferated the extremes on both sides .. it needs to be stopped by ALL of the politicians in office .. unfortunately I doubt that happens
No need for the media to take down DeSantis - Trump has essentially threatened to do that for them.
Was waiting for this post. The candidates in deep red states didn't need Trump to win that was obvious tonight. All the Trump backed candidates in purple states are fighting for their lives or already lost.
This was nothing other than another referendum on how a majority of the country does not like Trump. If at this point you don't see it, you are blindly obsessed with the man.
This was nothing other than another referendum on how a majority of the country does not like Trump. If at this point you don't see it, you are blindly obsessed with the man.
Waffledynamics said:
Stop defending Trump. Ffs, he is a narcissistic loser.
So if you acknowledge other factors had much more to do with GOP loses than Trump, you are defending Trump?
I think Trump is a narcissistic loser, but his endorsement is merely a coincidence when you consider all the other variables at play.
In 2018 DeSantis was relatively unknown and therefore ANY endorsement was helpful. In 2022, he is a national hero for how he handled COVID.
LegalDrugPusher said:Agthatbuilds said:LegalDrugPusher said:
I agree to some extent that Trump played a part in last night not turning out the way we all wanted. But to say all the Trump backed candidates lost is pathetic not even close.
In no particular order of Trump backed who won and I'm sure I will not even mention all:
Ken Paxton
Greg Abbott
Beth Van Duyne
Dan Patrick
Frederick Frazier
Dawn Buckingham
Monica De La Cruz
Ron Johnson will win
Kari Lake is still in the hunt
Adam Laxalt is leading
Joe Lombardo- Nevada Governor
All the Florida winners
Ted Budd for NC Senator
Hershel Walker will be in a runoff
So I don't get all this bashing I don't get it at all.
We are going to win back the house and if Adam Laxalt can keep his lead Ron Johnson wins and if Herschel wins the runoff we control the Senate
That's some crazy spin
What part is not true?
The fact you're inferring most of those winning candidates did it because Trump endorsed them.
Or that his endorsement didn't cause them to lose. Most of them were shoe ins.
Dems sold fear and hate (division) and far more people lapped it up than I'd hoped. They've tortured MAGA from a message of hope to one of fear. It disgusts me that they are able to, and choose to, but I'm coming to terms with the rotational need for Republican candidates to account for Dem media systematically destroying them.
Irish 2.0 said:
Jesus Christ…you're on the block list now. I say this as someone that respects your work in GOP circles. But you're enamored with Trump and it hurts your other efforts.
I'm just tired of your Trump **** and the fact that 95% of Republicans on this board, people on your side, are telling you this and you still don't recognize the issue means you're prepared to sink on the boat with Trump steering it.
You must've not seen my other post that I just created saying that Ron DeSantis is the future
That Trump pushed those candidates over the goal line.LegalDrugPusher said:Agthatbuilds said:LegalDrugPusher said:
I agree to some extent that Trump played a part in last night not turning out the way we all wanted. But to say all the Trump backed candidates lost is pathetic not even close.
In no particular order of Trump backed who won and I'm sure I will not even mention all:
Ken Paxton
Greg Abbott
Beth Van Duyne
Dan Patrick
Frederick Frazier
Dawn Buckingham
Monica De La Cruz
Ron Johnson will win
Kari Lake is still in the hunt
Adam Laxalt is leading
Joe Lombardo- Nevada Governor
All the Florida winners
Ted Budd for NC Senator
Hershel Walker will be in a runoff
So I don't get all this bashing I don't get it at all.
We are going to win back the house and if Adam Laxalt can keep his lead Ron Johnson wins and if Herschel wins the runoff we control the Senate
That's some crazy spin
What part is not true?
LegalDrugPusher said:Agthatbuilds said:LegalDrugPusher said:
I agree to some extent that Trump played a part in last night not turning out the way we all wanted. But to say all the Trump backed candidates lost is pathetic not even close.
In no particular order of Trump backed who won and I'm sure I will not even mention all:
Ken Paxton
Greg Abbott
Beth Van Duyne
Dan Patrick
Frederick Frazier
Dawn Buckingham
Monica De La Cruz
Ron Johnson will win
Kari Lake is still in the hunt
Adam Laxalt is leading
Joe Lombardo- Nevada Governor
All the Florida winners
Ted Budd for NC Senator
Hershel Walker will be in a runoff
So I don't get all this bashing I don't get it at all.
We are going to win back the house and if Adam Laxalt can keep his lead Ron Johnson wins and if Herschel wins the runoff we control the Senate
That's some crazy spin
What part is not true?
The part where you imply that Trump had anything to do with those candidates winning.
Teslag said:
All the Florida winners? Oh I can think of one he didn't really get behind…
So your assumption is if he did Desantis would have lost?
DeSantis has been pretty good at avoiding and handling the media. They haven't been able to stick anything to him at this point and they have tried. The dude is smart and will have a plan to combat any major negative media attention he gets.javajaws said:fullback44 said:
Trump did his part as a republican .. he took on the media and exposed these voters areas around the country that you are all questioning.now, he opened your eyes to what's going on with elections.
That being said, most of here now believe Dasantis is a better option and is Less divisive .. how ever, much of this stuff about Trump in the media is media driven. They will do the same thing to Desantis if he becomes the Republicans front runner .. owning the media means the front runner is all of a sudden AssHo number 1
The extremism's on both the far right and far left need to be toned down in this country .. social media has proliferated the extremes on both sides .. it needs to be stopped by ALL of the politicians in office .. unfortunately I doubt that happens
No need for the media to take down DeSantis - Trump has essentially threatened to do that for them.
Stop derailing. You've got so much TDS you can't think straight. LDP was talking about last night.Definitely Not A Cop said:TexAgs91 said:
It's just a bunch of TDS people looking for any excuse to gripe about Trump.
If you don't think Trump is an issue that will drag republicans down in any future election he is involved in, you have TDS.
Running anyone against Fetterman should have been a no-brainer. Oz was objectively a better choice than Fetterman. The problem is PA is f'd up. Trump's other endorsements have been great.
Then why start this thread to defend Trump and his endorsements. Cut off all Trump stuff. He's done. He is an albatross around the GOP neck. He did not help the GOP in the midterms and your OP is disingenuous
Don't really care about the WAve or Trump
I think this is part of a larger forced narrative to diminish Trump and move beyond him
Isn't that kind of transparent?
I think this is part of a larger forced narrative to diminish Trump and move beyond him
Isn't that kind of transparent?
Actually, the biggest problem is media is 100% leftist now and not even trying to hide the ball. It's 24/7 mah insurrection this is your last chance to vote for democracy or your kids will die. Even if that stupid message only lands with 5% of the population, that is a 10 point swing.Zarathustra said:
The Trump problem really isn't about Trump. The bigger problem is that there is no leadership or coherent message in the Republican party. There's no alternative to Trumpism on the national level.
The whole RNC leadership should be removed.
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