The "people have more heart attacks when we change the clocks" thing is kind of true and kind of not true.

The study is legitimate and shows that there is a 24% increase in heart attacks on the Monday after we lose and hour of sleep, and a 21% decrease on the Monday after we gain an hour of sleep. But if you look at the weekly data, you wind up with the same number of heart attacks throughout the week in either scenario as you would in any other week. With the big increase on Monday, you see fewer heart attacks throughout the rest of the week; and with the big decrease on Monday, you see more heart attacks throughout the rest of the week to even things out. It's almost like the people that were going to have a heart attack on Tuesday or Wednesday get tipped over the edge a little earlier due to losing the hour of sleep, whereas the people that were going to have one on Monday delay it by a few days when they get the extra hour of sleep.

You can google a guy named Matt Parker if you are interested in reading more about it.

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I like the fall back extra hour of sleep. I hate the spring forward jet lag.

In Texas it really doesn't matter because the days are relatively long even in the winter. Keeping DST all year would be fine with me.

However, when I lived in the north and DST was forced on us by the federal government in the 1970s, it was dark until almost 9:00 in the morning and even with DST it was still dark shortly after people got home from work. Elementary school kids were walking to school in the dark.

In the summer it was light by 5:00 AM with DST. Why have sunrise before 4:00? When you can be out on a boat fishing until after 9:00PM?

Whether or not having DST should be a choice of state governments.

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In the winter on standard time in Texas, it is dark until late in the 7:00 hour anyway. Elementary school in my area starts at 7:45am, and Jr. high at no earlier than 8:15, so it won't make any difference. This is how it was when I went to school. School started a little later, but we met the bus earlier, and it was dark then in the winter. Besides, this is for a limited time of the year and it isn't a big deal. Sunrise today in North Texas was 6:49am, which would have been 7:49 without reverting to standard time. By next month, it is going to be back to, so what's the big deal about having it there now?

You're pushing it with a 5am sunrise, but it is daylight by 5:45am as I found out in Arizona a few years ago. That's WAY too early for full daylight under any circumstances. It isn't just to sleep in. 80-90% of everyone would rather have daylight at 7:30 in the evening than 6:00 in the morning. Even if they are up by then (and a bunch are), darkness that early is normal.

It is downright depressing in December and January when it is dark by 5:45 pm. I sometimes get outside for the first extended time all day then to...darkness.

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It is downright depressing in December and January when it is dark by 5:45 pm. I sometimes get outside for the first extended time all day then to...darkness.

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Comments like these are just nuts. It's just as depressing to have to get up in the middle of the night with 2 hours of darkness left before sunrise. I'd argue even more depressing.

If you don't like it MOVE. Move to the western edge of a time zone if you like it lighter in the evenings or the easter edge of a time zone if you prefer lighter in the mornings.

The absolute stupidest thing they could do is keep DST year round. It was tried once in the 70s (ostensibly to burn less oil during the embargo) and was terrible.

It's been well proven that DST has NEVER saved any fuel at all, so even the current paradigm of 8 months DST and 4 months STD is stupid. Make it six months each like it was designed to be.

And guess what the further north you live, the greater the diurnal change throughout the year. (period)

It has literally never bothered me and still doesn't.

Better than going to work at 8 am in the dark, well for those who work.

I really feel for the developers with some of these ideas.

Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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It has literally never bothered me and still doesn't.

Better than going to work at 8 am in the dark, well for those who work.

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If we stay on standard time, sunrise would still be before 8am all year. You may come home from work in the dark during the winter but most people still do that anyway.

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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It has literally never bothered me and still doesn't.

Better than going to work at 8 am in the dark, well for those who work.

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If we stay on standard time, sunrise would still be before 8am all year. You may come home from work in the dark during the winter but most people still do that anyway.

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It's never bothered me to come home from work in the dark. It is not usually dark at 8 AM in the morning even in the winter. It usually lightens by seven or shortly after at the latest.

Everyone has their preferences, though. But out of all the things in the world that bother me this is really not one of them.

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AggieUSMC said:

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Huh?

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The Debt said:

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AggieUSMC said:

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Huh?

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What's the problem?

Hawaii is a small state with little agriculture.
Arizona is dry state that is mostly federal lands.

Neither has significant agriculture industries. DST is about agriculture.

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eric76 said:

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The Debt said:

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Huh?

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What's the problem?

Hawaii is a small state with little agriculture.
Arizona is dry state that is mostly federal lands.

Neither has significant agriculture industries. DST is about agriculture.

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DST absolutely sucks for agriculture.

Why in Hades do you think DST is for Ag?

And AZ and HI both have substantial farm and ranch properties. Biggest cattle ranch in the US is on the Big Island.

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Tell me you have never been to AZ without telling me you have nevebeen to AZ.

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Get a smartphone. Changes by itself. Your grandkids can direct you to the right place.

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eric76 said:

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The Debt said:

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Huh?

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What's the problem?

Hawaii is a small state with little agriculture.
Arizona is dry state that is mostly federal lands.

Neither has significant agriculture industries. DST is about agriculture.

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Very funny.

Onions from Maui are considered the best in the nation due to having low levels of sulfur. There are large cattle ranches on Hawaii and Maui. There was a large one on Molokai, as well, but it has shut down and is for sale last I heard. Most of the world's supply of pineapples used to be produced on Lanai. I understand that a large portion of the naton's seed corn is produced in Hawaii as well. And there is sugar cane and macadamia nuts.

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Huh?

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What's the problem?

Hawaii is a small state with little agriculture.
Arizona is dry state that is mostly federal lands.

Neither has significant agriculture industries. DST is about agriculture.

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Very funny.

Onions from Maui are considered the best in the nation due to having low levels of sulfur. There are large cattle ranches on Hawaii and Maui. There was a large one on Molokai, as well, but it has shut down and is for sale last I heard. Most of the world's supply of pineapples used to be produced on Lanai. I understand that a large portion of the naton's seed corn is produced in Hawaii as well. And there is sugar cane and macadamia nuts.

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Yeah I thought Hawaii was a great place for farming because it has an extra growing season, am I wrong about that?

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eric76 said:

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eric76 said:

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Huh?

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What's the problem?

Hawaii is a small state with little agriculture.
Arizona is dry state that is mostly federal lands.

Neither has significant agriculture industries. DST is about agriculture.

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Very funny.

Onions from Maui are considered the best in the nation due to having low levels of sulfur. There are large cattle ranches on Hawaii and Maui. There was a large one on Molokai, as well, but it has shut down and is for sale last I heard. Most of the world's supply of pineapples used to be produced on Lanai. I understand that a large portion of the naton's seed corn is produced in Hawaii as well. And there is sugar cane and macadamia nuts.

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Yeah I thought Hawaii was a great place for farming because it has an extra growing season, am I wrong about that?

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You're right.

Multiple seasons all year.. That's a big reason why seed corn is so big in Hawaii.

Not only year around growing season, I think that on some islands they have deer hunting year round as well.

Arizona is already low, but it gets worse when you realize the majority of the land is federal land.




Hawaii for agriculture? That's a laugh. It's 11,000 sq miles. Take away the oceanfront property and the volcanoes and how much arable land do they have?

No shtt, DST isn't important to that state.

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BuddysBud said:

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I like the fall back extra hour of sleep. I hate the spring forward jet lag.

In Texas it really doesn't matter because the days are relatively long even in the winter. Keeping DST all year would be fine with me.

However, when I lived in the north and DST was forced on us by the federal government in the 1970s, it was dark until almost 9:00 in the morning and even with DST it was still dark shortly after people got home from work. Elementary school kids were walking to school in the dark.

In the summer it was light by 5:00 AM with DST. Why have sunrise before 4:00? When you can be out on a boat fishing until after 9:00PM?

Whether or not having DST should be a choice of state governments.

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In the winter on standard time in Texas, it is dark until late in the 7:00 hour anyway. Elementary school in my area starts at 7:45am, and Jr. high at no earlier than 8:15, so it won't make any difference. This is how it was when I went to school. School started a little later, but we met the bus earlier, and it was dark then in the winter. Besides, this is for a limited time of the year and it isn't a big deal. Sunrise today in North Texas was 6:49am, which would have been 7:49 without reverting to standard time. By next month, it is going to be back to, so what's the big deal about having it there now?

You're pushing it with a 5am sunrise, but it is daylight by 5:45am as I found out in Arizona a few years ago. That's WAY too early for full daylight under any circumstances. It isn't just to sleep in. 80-90% of everyone would rather have daylight at 7:30 in the evening than 6:00 in the morning. Even if they are up by then (and a bunch are), darkness that early is normal.

It is downright depressing in December and January when it is dark by 5:45 pm. I sometimes get outside for the first extended time all day then to...darkness.

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You are taking about North Texas. I was in Wisconsin in the 1970's. There is a big difference in the length of day between Texas and the northern states.

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No shtt, DST isn't important to that state.

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One more time, why do you think DST is important to Agriculture?

I don't really care either way, but the sunrise in Bismarck, ND would be 09:30am in late December with full-time DST. But such is life when you live that far north and west within a time zone.

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Never been to Arizona obviously.

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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Never been to Arizona obviously.

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When it's 115 degrees in the summer you wait until dusk to run errands or go out to eat. It doesn't get dark until after after 7:30. We don't want another hour of daylight in the evening.

DST delenda est.

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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Never been to Arizona obviously.

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When it's 115 degrees in the summer you wait until dusk to run errands or go out to eat. It doesn't get dark until after after 7:30. We don't want another hour of daylight in the evening.

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What part of Arizona is that?

I've heard that Flagstaff and Sedona are a good bit less extreme than Phoenix or Tucson or Marana. Is that true?

Arizona isn't "North"

In Utah I would be on the mountain bike trails at 5am because it was light outside and Utah isn't North. So he isn't pushing it.

The Texas legislature should end time change in this session. It's something most people hate. I don't care which time you end up with, just stop changing our clocks twice a year.

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Never been to Arizona obviously.

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When it's 115 degrees in the summer you wait until dusk to run errands or go out to eat. It doesn't get dark until after after 7:30. We don't want another hour of daylight in the evening.

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What part of Arizona is that?

I've heard that Flagstaff and Sedona are a good bit less extreme than Phoenix or Tucson or Marana. Is that true?

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Phoenix area. Flagstaff is at almost 7K ft elevation, so it is much cooler.

Can't wait to spring forward and be done with it.

This falling back garbage can GTFO.

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I thought Texas passed a bill to stay on DST starting next spring?

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Google pulls up the Daylight Protection Act: passed US senate but not (yet) house. My understanding is that states can opt out of DST, but can't go DST permanently.

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That's lame. Needs to be DST all year long. Who likes it getting dark at 5PM?

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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Never been to Arizona obviously.

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When it's 115 degrees in the summer you wait until dusk to run errands or go out to eat. It doesn't get dark until after after 7:30. We don't want another hour of daylight in the evening.

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What part of Arizona is that?

I've heard that Flagstaff and Sedona are a good bit less extreme than Phoenix or Tucson or Marana. Is that true?

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Phoenix area. Flagstaff is at almost 7K ft elevation, so it is much cooler.

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That makes perfect sense.

I know that in New Mexico, the Cloudcroft area tends to be much cooler in the summer. I think it's about the same elevation.

Thanks.

DST accomplishes nothing other than a few extra holes of golf or later soccer practice for a few months a year.

Should never have been used in the first place and the pretense (energy savings) was never true.

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The democrat led House loves to push billions to Ukraine and all this other useless woke bull****, but they have an actual bill on their desk to permanently end the clock changing….but they won't do it.

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Ukraine investment is one of the best returns in the history of warfare.

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Never been to Arizona obviously.

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When it's 115 degrees in the summer you wait until dusk to run errands or go out to eat. It doesn't get dark until after after 7:30. We don't want another hour of daylight in the evening.

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What part of Arizona is that?

I've heard that Flagstaff and Sedona are a good bit less extreme than Phoenix or Tucson or Marana. Is that true?

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Phoenix area. Flagstaff is at almost 7K ft elevation, so it is much cooler.

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That makes perfect sense.

I know that in New Mexico, the Cloudcroft area tends to be much cooler in the summer. I think it's about the same elevation.

Thanks.

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Houston is hotter than Arizona for actual feel, and I don't mind the extra daylight in summer.

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eric76 said:

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Works for AZ and HI. Why not the rest of us?

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No agriculture in either.

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Never been to Arizona obviously.

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When it's 115 degrees in the summer you wait until dusk to run errands or go out to eat. It doesn't get dark until after after 7:30. We don't want another hour of daylight in the evening.

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What part of Arizona is that?

I've heard that Flagstaff and Sedona are a good bit less extreme than Phoenix or Tucson or Marana. Is that true?

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Phoenix area. Flagstaff is at almost 7K ft elevation, so it is much cooler.

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That makes perfect sense.

I know that in New Mexico, the Cloudcroft area tends to be much cooler in the summer. I think it's about the same elevation.

Thanks.

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Houston is hotter than Arizona for actual feel, and I don't mind the extra daylight in summer.

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The clocks have nothing to when duration of daylight....