States can choose whether or not to observe DST. They can be standard year round of they choose

Interesting, since never opposed to daylight savings time (especially the summer hours spring forward) never really followed if it was set originally from the top.

BMX Bandit said:

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States can choose whether or not to observe DST. They can be standard year round of they choose

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Did you miss the post about the bill in the HoR to end the time change?

It should remain a choice with each state. The federal government needs to keep out of dictating rules to states for issues that should be decided by individual states.

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However, when I lived in the north and DST was forced on us by the federal government in the 1970s, it was dark until almost 9:00 in the morning and even with DST it was still dark shortly after people got home from work. Elementary school kids were walking to school in the dark.

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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Just make this insanity end. I don't care how we end it just make it stop.

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you know it is ending next year, right?

EDIT - I guess that was just the Senate that passed it. House still needs to.

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Why don't we just split the difference and call it a day and quit switching around.

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That's long been my position. Move it half an hour and be done.

No reason we have to be on the same GMT hour boundary and I guarantee most would follow the US. But who cares. clocks set themselves when you move countries anyway and most business calendars, etc. handle the adjustment too.

If it's 7:30am here and 1:00pm in western Europe or 5pm in Moscow. So what.

There are already other countries or regions on :30 or even :15 offsets.
Locations that use non standard time zones include India, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Iran, Myanmar, Newfoundland, Regions of Australia, Venezuela, Nepal, Chatham Islands, and the Marquesas Islands.

I like spring forward so need to keep that. For anyone else that disagrees, we should straight up murder the lot of you and be done with it.

Screw all of you.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/

Split the difference. It is now 10:30am.

Problem solved!

I thought Texas passed a bill to stay on DST starting next spring?

Just don't change your clocks, problem solved.

CDUB98 said:

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I thought Texas passed a bill to stay on DST starting next spring?

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Google pulls up the Daylight Protection Act: passed US senate but not (yet) house. My understanding is that states can opt out of DST, but can't go DST permanently.

Summer Time Only FTW

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better watch it in the fall!

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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https://www.newscientist.com/article/2344401-annual-us-clock-change-kills-33-people-and-36500-deer-in-car-crashes/#:~:text=Moving%20to%20daylight%20saving%20time,costs%20annually%20in%20the%20US.

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Moving to daylight saving time permanently could prevent 36,550 deer deaths, 33 human deaths and $1.19 billion in costs annually in the US.

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This is just for the fall change. When it switches back in the spring, heart attacks rise 25%.

End daylight savings, and save America instead.

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Strong evidence that - when the time changes - a portal to hell is opened.

End it.

Make the sun rise at 7am, make the sun set at 7pm, adjust the length of the hours between them accordingly.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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https://www.newscientist.com/article/2344401-annual-us-clock-change-kills-33-people-and-36500-deer-in-car-crashes/#:~:text=Moving%20to%20daylight%20saving%20time,costs%20annually%20in%20the%20US.

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Moving to daylight saving time permanently could prevent 36,550 deer deaths, 33 human deaths and $1.19 billion in costs annually in the US.

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This is just for the fall change. When it switches back in the spring, heart attacks rise 25%.

End daylight savings, and save America instead.

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Isn't this just thinning/culling the herd?

No time change here in AZ, but we're still impacted. All sports boadcasts are now an hour later, and a lot of meetings on my calendar shift as well.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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CDUB98 said:

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I thought Texas passed a bill to stay on DST starting next spring?

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Google pulls up the Daylight Protection Act: passed US senate but not (yet) house. My understanding is that states can opt out of DST, but can't go DST permanently.

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That's lame. Needs to be DST all year long. Who likes it getting dark at 5PM?

Ha ha
I knew the *****ing would carry on about this today.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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CDUB98 said:

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I thought Texas passed a bill to stay on DST starting next spring?

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Google pulls up the Daylight Protection Act: passed US senate but not (yet) house. My understanding is that states can opt out of DST, but can't go DST permanently.

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That's lame. Needs to be DST all year long. Who likes it getting dark at 5PM?

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I like it - but I'm a vampire who goes out distance running at 4 AM.

The US got rid of the clock changes once already. It was so universally hated that we went back to it.
It serves its purpose. You'll whine and complain for a couple days, then adjust and forget about it.

Democrats purposely end DST on the weekend before elections. Older conservative voters are less likely to vote if it gets dark earlier.

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The US got rid of the clock changes once already. It was so universally hated that we went back to it.
It serves its purpose. You'll whine and complain for a couple days, then adjust and forget about it.

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This was an interesting story which I was not familiar with, even thought I lived through it.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/

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Year-round daylight saving time (DST), signed into law by President Richard Nixon in January 1974, sought to maximize evening sunlight and, in doing so, help mitigate an ongoing national gas crisis. But while the experiment initially proved popular, with 79 percent of Americans expressing support for the change in December 1973, approval quickly plummeted, dropping to 42 percent by February 1974, reported the New York Times' Anthony Ripley in October of that year.

The main drawback to pushing the clock forward permanently was the prolonged early-morning darkness in the winter, which left children heading to school when it was "jet black" outside, as a parent told the Washington Post's Barbara Bright-Sagnier at the time. Writing for Washingtonian, Andrew Beaujon notes that eight students in Florida died in traffic accidents in the weeks following the change; in the nation's capital and its surrounding suburbs, similar incidents led some schools to delay classes until the sun came up.

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I agree that people "think" they'd love year round DST until it was dark until 9 AM during the winter. This why I think the best compromise is NO daylight saving time. Then during the summer, it get dark around 9:00 PM. If you really want to play golf after work, go in an hour earlier to get it back.

You fans of DST live both further south and further east in the time zone. We're an hour's drive from Mountain time. So in the summer, with DST, we have sunsets at 9:05. Houston has it at 8:25.

It's really simple. People who work 9-5 love DST, because they want extra daylight. People who work when the sun is out; farmers, ranchers, construction, hate it. You work until it gets dark, come home, eat supper, clean up, and it's 10:30 at night.

Worst is when you need a part from town, and the store closed 2 hours ago.

TXAG 05 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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CDUB98 said:

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I thought Texas passed a bill to stay on DST starting next spring?

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Google pulls up the Daylight Protection Act: passed US senate but not (yet) house. My understanding is that states can opt out of DST, but can't go DST permanently.

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That's lame. Needs to be DST all year long. Who likes it getting dark at 5PM?

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Communists and terrorists.

If instead of turning back the clock just one hour they would turn it back 24 hours, we could live forever.

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/06/1134562545/daylight-saving-time-permanent-states

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The Sunshine Protection Act, which would make daylight saving permanent for the entire nation, remains stalled in Congress. But here's a breakdown of which states are getting ready in anticipation of its passage, according to a tally from the National Conference of State Legislatures.

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The states getting ready to make it permanent are, according to the article, and in alphabetic order: Alabama, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.

Seriously, modern technology, especially the Internet, is making the whole thing pointless. It used to be that time was Solar Time, but it caused problems with things like train schedules so they came up with time zones to make things easier on them.

With the Internet, time zones should no longer be necessary. Modern computers could easily determine the time based on your location. Local schedules could easily be handled. With so much on-demand tv any more, people don't need schedules so much to determine when their show comes on -- it comes on when they stream the show.

It no longer matters at all whether the time in your town is a couple minutes earlier than the time in the next town to the east or a couple of minutes later than the next town to the west.

Bring Back Solar Time

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I'm sorry that it's difficult for you. The time changes are great.

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No, they are absolutely not

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It no longer matters at all whether the time in your town is a couple minutes earlier than the time in the next town to the east or a couple of minutes later than the next town to the west.

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Your flight departs at 10:03am.
Is that Dallas Time or Ft. Worth time?

CanyonAg77 said:

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You fans of DST live both further south and further east in the time zone. We're an hour's drive from Mountain time. So in the summer, with DST, we have sunsets at 9:05. Houston has it at 8:25.

It's really simple. People who work 9-5 love DST, because they want extra daylight. People who work when the sun is out; farmers, ranchers, construction, hate it. You work until it gets dark, come home, eat supper, clean up, and it's 10:30 at night.

Worst is when you need a part from town, and the store closed 2 hours ago.

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Contractor here. Hate standard time and live DST.

Why anybody thinks driving to work in daylight and getting home at dark is ok or somehow better is beyond me.

gggmann said:

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No time change here in AZ, but we're still impacted. All sports boadcasts are now an hour later, and a lot of meetings on my calendar shift as well.

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I think that would drive me crazy, especially the sports part.

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It no longer matters at all whether the time in your town is a couple minutes earlier than the time in the next town to the east or a couple of minutes later than the next town to the west.

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Your flight departs at 10:03am.
Is that Dallas Time or Ft. Worth time?

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That would depend on the time at the airport, I guess.

It would be interesting in a city so large that there might be a couple of minutes time difference between the east side and the west side. Of course, the city could arbitrarily decide that noon for the whole city is based on noon at city hall.