Great post. In your experience in this particular county, what will happen to the *******s when they are caught? Will they just be re-released into society by the progressive DA like we keep hearing about?
You are absolutely correct. Had mentioned this on the Chase CEO thread that one of the drawbacks (it was a poster being made to resume going downtown in Houston) is the `blue rot' -- that Dem run cities have allowed crime and vagrancy to take over in many places, and so an employer should be expected to also provide a raise if asking an employee to resume going to areas that have declined.Irish 2.0 said:
Personally, I'd tell my employer I will not be returning to the office until proper measures to improve employee safety are put into place. The PR nightmare of trying to force you back into the office will far outweight the cost of pressuring the property manager to add security. You literally have it documented that you were chased and shot at due to an incident that happened on site. If you work for a larger company, I'd take it right to the top if the local office tries to brush you off.
The law might be applied differently but your actions should be consistent. I think you were looking for a breakdown of this particular scenario not the generic "reasonable fear of bodily injury" response. I agree it's useful for those that conceal carry to review scenarios. It's helps us all think strategically and tactically in various scenarios if our brains have noodled through similar scenarios in the past. It's good mental exercise. Your brain is the most important weapon of self defense, not the firearm.Hungry Ojos said:gotsand said:When it becomes necessary to stop the commission of a forcible felony or there is reasonable fear of great bodily harm to yourself or others. "Reasonable" is the keyword here.Hungry Ojos said:Hammerly High Dive Crips said:Hungry Ojos said:
For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?
Probably not at any point in this story, but it could have gone numerous different ways. Only a fool would rather be unarmed if told he was about to encounter some car jacking thugs with pistols. Would you rather not have that option?
I wasn't questioning the advice to carry. I carry everywhere. I was more looking for advice on when the board thought it might be legally adequate to draw and fire because I wasn't sure.
Flipping door handles at noon and giving a sob story doesn't rise to the level of draw and fire, IMO. Could it have? Sure, if he continued to engage them, it sounds like he would have likely been staring at a pistol for his trouble.
OP immediately left, however, which was the right call given the outcome and his available options.
Remember, you're talking about taking someone's life. If your question was serious (and it's a good question) please seek education on the use of deadly force from a qualified 3rd party, not online.
The thing you also have to remember though is that in Travis County, if you shoot a minority, you are GOING to get indicted and likely convicted of murder no matter what the circumstances. When the exact same fact pattern, in say, Tyler, would draw a no bill. I absolutely hate that the law is applied so unevenly across the state, purely on political grounds, but it's also something we have to be cognizant of.
Big Fan of the p365 with the 12 round mag.Fightin_Aggie said:https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g19Clob94 said:
OP--- glad you're ok.
Buy a G19.
Carry it.
Practice monthly.
Good luck out there.
How does that compare to this
https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-nitron-micro-compact.html
Kinda of a smaller framed individual.
Hungry Ojos said:
Great post. In your experience in this particular county, what will happen to the *******s when they are caught? Will they just be re-released into society by the progressive DA like we keep hearing about?
whytho987654 said:
Undiagnosed psychiatric disorders are rampant out there now
op_06 said:
I'm an Austin cop and have posted about issues multiple times in the recent years concerning the department's funding, staffing, and crime within Austin.
We have judges and DAs that lets people with antisocial and borderline personalities commit crime after crime with no punishment.op_06 said:whytho987654 said:
Undiagnosed psychiatric disorders are rampant out there now
This behavior has nothing to do with mental disorders. It's due to never being held accountable for one's actions and manifests itself into what the OP and countless other victims experience on a daily basis. The bully on the playground who grew up after having never been punched in the nose. Until the "system" holds them accountable for their behavior, it will continue.
This times a million. The chickens haven't even come home to roost yet in terms of widespread mental damage from the pandemic. Just think about virtually all of the rehab and recovery centers and sober living places that were closed down for at least a year. Potentially millions of addicts in desperate need of help being sent packing. That alone is cause for concern...but it's obviously fare bigger than that.Quote:
Undiagnosed psychiatric disorders are rampant out there now
Our great and wise mayor in Houston begs to differ...op_06 said:Hungry Ojos said:
Great post. In your experience in this particular county, what will happen to the *******s when they are caught? Will they just be re-released into society by the progressive DA like we keep hearing about?
The odds of these guys being caught, given a stern finger wag by a judge with a laughably low bail, and released pending trail to reoffend is extremely high.
Odds are also pretty high they've got multiple convictions for some type of misdemeanor/felony violent crime already. You don't just wake up one day and decide to act like this.
Only cure is sticking folks in jail and leaving them there. Adults are a lot like children with the punishment aspect. Absent consequences, telling them not to do something in a stern voice while wagging a finger isn't solving the problem.
I can't count how many internal BOLOs I've seen where the suspect's pre-trial GPS ankle monitor is visible.
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1. Carry
2. Get out and Vote! I live in Round Rock in Williamson County but the garbage that defunded the police won't stay in Travis county if you don't vote out the liberals. The Liberals want you to be afraid. They want you to suffer so they prosper.
Cuz racism!! George Floyd, Breona Taylor and Michael Brown ring a bell? Jeez you people just don't get it!!!Quote:
I honestly would love to hear a liberal defend this DA and the countless others like him around the country who have turned peaceful cities into third world hell-holes. How can you vote for these people in good conscience?
Casis Shopping Center in Tarrytown?The Fall Guy said:
Will post my recent experience before PotCake says Austin is safe and we can't say anything about Austin because it's hip.
3 weeks ago at my work off of Hancock and Balconies Dr sitting at my desk and I heard a commotion in the entrance. A drunk large homeless man came into the office asking where he can see a friend. 5 of us grabbed him and led him out the door. We locked the front door and the man banged on the window to let him in. Cops were called and it took 45 minutes for them to come. In that 45 minutes the man went into several other businesses and they called the cops.
We work in a shopping center in a neighborhood of million dollar homes next to an elementary school and the nearest bar is 2 to 3 miles away.
I am sorry that happened to you OP. Yes carry always
93MarineHorn said:Cuz racism!! George Floyd, Breona Taylor and Michael Brown ring a bell? Jeez you people just don't get it!!!Quote:
I honestly would love to hear a liberal defend this DA and the countless others like him around the country who have turned peaceful cities into third world hell-holes. How can you vote for these people in good conscience?
op_06 said:Hungry Ojos said:
Great post. In your experience in this particular county, what will happen to the *******s when they are caught? Will they just be re-released into society by the progressive DA like we keep hearing about?
The odds of these guys being caught, given a stern finger wag by a judge with a laughably low bail, and released pending trail to reoffend is extremely high.
Odds are also pretty high they've got multiple convictions for some type of misdemeanor/felony violent crime already. You don't just wake up one day and decide to act like this.
Only cure is sticking folks in jail and leaving them there. Adults are a lot like children with the punishment aspect. Absent consequences, telling them not to do something in a stern voice while wagging a finger isn't solving the problem.
I can't count how many internal BOLOs I've seen where the suspect's pre-trial GPS ankle monitor is visible.
Youd are 100% correct. Just a matter of time.Hammerly High Dive Crips said:
Liberalism kills. Start dehumanizing liberals in your mind. They are not like us. And if you live in any major metro area, start carrying. I could not believe what I saw in downtown LA a few months ago. I think that is the path just about every major city is on.
Thanks for posting, officer, but how the heck is this ever going to happen with the way DAs, judges, and police funding has been going in our cities lately?op_06 said:
Until folks start fearing consequences and repercussions, this stuff isn't going to slow down.
TresPuertas said:
with all due respect, it isn't the only cure. there's a better and cheaper option for the tax payers
oh no said:Thanks for posting, officer, but how the heck is this ever going to happen with the way DAs, judges, and police funding has been going in our cities lately?op_06 said:
Until folks start fearing consequences and repercussions, this stuff isn't going to slow down.
Hungry Ojos said:
For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?
It is against the law to brandish a weapon in Texas.ArbAg said:Hungry Ojos said:
For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?
The second he sensed crime or danger, you can't wait for obvious criminals to make the first move.
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In Texas, unlawfully brandishing a weapon means that the weapon was displayed by a person in an illegal manner. These cases typically occur when a gun owner points a weapon at or shows a weapon to a person in a public place in an attempt to get the person's attention or cause the person to feel fear or alarm.
I've got the glow-in-the-dark/night sights on it. My only complaint is I wish they were just a bit taller ( or maybe my eye sight is just not as good) but from a quick drawing perspective, I can see how that would be more of a hinderance.TxTarpon said:
How are the sights on it?
Can you reply back that they were hispanic males, I posted a description earlier in the thread.KRamp90 said:
From my Nextdoor, Great Hills area...
These guys took a package off my porch and checked my neighbor's mailbox. I followed them to the cul de sac where they were opening the mailbox on the west side of the circle. The driver got back in the car drove 50' and when he noticed I was following them, trying to get a license plate pic, he got out of the Cadillac and pointed a .45 at me. Police came to take my statement and while doing so a call came in that a guy in an office park by Academy on 183 surprised them going through his truck. They fired a round which hit the truck. Contact APD if you have any info or ring video of this vehicle with 2 black males in it; case #222410598.
We do work in the same building.AustinAg2012 said:
OP, I think we work in the same building off 183/McNeil (though, I've been remote the past three years). We received this email from the property manager yesterday afternoon:
"We wanted to inform you of an incident at the property today involving an attempted robbery with a weapon. Everyone is safe and APD doesn't believe this to be a targeted robbery at the building as the suspect was also seen attempting to steal packages off porches in the neighborhood. We are asking everyone in the building to remain vigilant and call 911 if you see any other suspicious activity. Today's incident involved an early 2000's gold Cadillac sedan with a big dent on the rear passenger side. If you see this vehicle, please call 911 immediately.
Thank you for your assistance."
Thanks AstonAston 91 said:
There aren't any other photos or videos on the Nextdoor post. I have attached a link to the post, but I think Nextdoor limits who can access it to those that live in the area so I doubt you'll be able to access it. I'll keep an eye on that thread and let you know if any other relevant information is shared.
https://nextdoor.com/p/kNL6MW6kqSfj?utm_source=share&extras=MTU0MDQyMjk%3D
If somebody is actively trying to gain access to your vehicle while you are there telling them to stop, it's not brandishingaggiehawg said:It is against the law to brandish a weapon in Texas.ArbAg said:Hungry Ojos said:
For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?
The second he sensed crime or danger, you can't wait for obvious criminals to make the first move.Quote:
In Texas, unlawfully brandishing a weapon means that the weapon was displayed by a person in an illegal manner. These cases typically occur when a gun owner points a weapon at or shows a weapon to a person in a public place in an attempt to get the person's attention or cause the person to feel fear or alarm.
aggiehawg said:It is against the law to brandish a weapon in Texas.ArbAg said:Hungry Ojos said:
For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?
The second he sensed crime or danger, you can't wait for obvious criminals to make the first move.Quote:
In Texas, unlawfully brandishing a weapon means that the weapon was displayed by a person in an illegal manner. These cases typically occur when a gun owner points a weapon at or shows a weapon to a person in a public place in an attempt to get the person's attention or cause the person to feel fear or alarm.
Fine. Was just correcting the record here. That statute was relevant to the shooting in Lubbock. But that happened at the shooter's home, so different rules applied.ArbAg said:aggiehawg said:It is against the law to brandish a weapon in Texas.ArbAg said:Hungry Ojos said:
For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?
The second he sensed crime or danger, you can't wait for obvious criminals to make the first move.Quote:
In Texas, unlawfully brandishing a weapon means that the weapon was displayed by a person in an illegal manner. These cases typically occur when a gun owner points a weapon at or shows a weapon to a person in a public place in an attempt to get the person's attention or cause the person to feel fear or alarm.
Get real! No legitimate jury in Texas (except maybe the lunatics in Austin) is going to conflict sometime for drawing a weapon when he senses criminal danger - especially in today's circumstances!.
25 years ago I lived in an apartment complex at Duval & 183, just one exit south of there. It wasn't the greatest place then (all I could afford on my own at the time), but I never felt unsafe.Fightin_Aggie said:We do work in the same building.AustinAg2012 said:
OP, I think we work in the same building off 183/McNeil (though, I've been remote the past three years). We received this email from the property manager yesterday afternoon:
"We wanted to inform you of an incident at the property today involving an attempted robbery with a weapon. Everyone is safe and APD doesn't believe this to be a targeted robbery at the building as the suspect was also seen attempting to steal packages off porches in the neighborhood. We are asking everyone in the building to remain vigilant and call 911 if you see any other suspicious activity. Today's incident involved an early 2000's gold Cadillac sedan with a big dent on the rear passenger side. If you see this vehicle, please call 911 immediately.
Thank you for your assistance."
Fightin_Aggie said:Can you reply back that they were hispanic males, I posted a description earlier in the thread.KRamp90 said:
From my Nextdoor, Great Hills area...
These guys took a package off my porch and checked my neighbor's mailbox. I followed them to the cul de sac where they were opening the mailbox on the west side of the circle. The driver got back in the car drove 50' and when he noticed I was following them, trying to get a license plate pic, he got out of the Cadillac and pointed a .45 at me. Police came to take my statement and while doing so a call came in that a guy in an office park by Academy on 183 surprised them going through his truck. They fired a round which hit the truck. Contact APD if you have any info or ring video of this vehicle with 2 black males in it; case #222410598.