Esteban du Plantier said:

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Stuff sometimes requires a lot of water.

None of you guys will all of the sudden start complaining about hamburgers when I tell you it takes almost 2000 gallons of water to produce a pound of beef.

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Likewise almonds.

Remove almond growing from the central valley in CA, and there goes our "drought".

****ing Newsom.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Why do we "need" electric vehicles?

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Because many people want and prefer them. Everyone should have a choice. If a market exists, it should be served.

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I agree with you on it being market driven, but hasn't the market been artificially created by the government claiming fossil fuels cause climate change?

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How many ICE vehicles just sitting in your garage or parked on the street just spontaneously combust???

Oh, yeah, that's right - ZERO!!!

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https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-08-23/kia-telluride-and-hyundai-palisade-owners-should-park-outside-over-fire-risk-dept-of-transportation

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Which involves moisture in an electrical harness for towing. Once again, an electrical fire that has nothing to do with the ICE components. Maybe you can mention ford pinto's exploding.

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He said ICE vehicles, which is the category that the Telluride and Palisade fall under. No need to mention the Pinto's bumper bolts being driven into the gas tank during a collision, there are plenty of Dodge Rams since then that self-immolate in the driveways

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How many ICE vehicles just sitting in your garage or parked on the street just spontaneously combust???

Oh, yeah, that's right - ZERO!!!

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https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-08-23/kia-telluride-and-hyundai-palisade-owners-should-park-outside-over-fire-risk-dept-of-transportation

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Which involves moisture in an electrical harness for towing. Once again, an electrical fire that has nothing to do with the ICE components. Maybe you can mention ford pinto's exploding.

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He said ICE vehicles, which is the category that the Telluride and Palisade fall under. No need to mention the Pinto's bumper bolts being driven into the gas tank during a collision, there are plenty of Dodge Rams since then that self-immolate in the driveways

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So comparing a faulting electrical tow harness, to the spontaneous combustion of a critical component of an EV. Makes sense. Hows about random lithium battery fires banning Samsung Note 11's from all flights?

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Stuff sometimes requires a lot of water.

None of you guys will all of the sudden start complaining about hamburgers when I tell you it takes almost 2000 gallons of water to produce a pound of beef.

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Maybe, but the Earth can filter cow piss pretty easily...

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tk for tu juan said:

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How many ICE vehicles just sitting in your garage or parked on the street just spontaneously combust???

Oh, yeah, that's right - ZERO!!!

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https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-08-23/kia-telluride-and-hyundai-palisade-owners-should-park-outside-over-fire-risk-dept-of-transportation

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Which involves moisture in an electrical harness for towing. Once again, an electrical fire that has nothing to do with the ICE components. Maybe you can mention ford pinto's exploding.

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He said ICE vehicles, which is the category that the Telluride and Palisade fall under. No need to mention the Pinto's bumper bolts being driven into the gas tank during a collision, there are plenty of Dodge Rams since then that self-immolate in the driveways

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So comparing a faulting electrical tow harness, to the spontaneous combustion of a critical component of an EV. Makes sense. Hows about random lithium battery fires banning Samsung Note 11's from all flights?

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WGAS where it started, vehicle fires occur in both ICE and EV vehicles, including when both are stationary. Facts and fire

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Teslag said:

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Why do we "need" electric vehicles?

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Because many people want and prefer them. Everyone should have a choice. If a market exists, it should be served.

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I agree with you on it being market driven, but hasn't the market been artificially created by the government claiming fossil fuels cause climate change?

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No. Tesla lost their tax subsidies and credits years ago. Since that time they have had record sales and demand. People want their vehicles regardless of credits. Even with the new law it's doubtful Tesla gets any of the credits due to materials sourcing and labor requirements.

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Teslag said:

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Why do we "need" electric vehicles?

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Because many people want and prefer them. Everyone should have a choice. If a market exists, it should be served.

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If they do, why do they need government subsidies? Isn't that unneeded govt market influence?

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They don't need them as seen from Teslas last 4 years of sales and demand without tax credits.

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People buying electric vehicles are virtue signalers.

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Dumb

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Esteban du Plantier said:

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Stuff sometimes requires a lot of water.

None of you guys will all of the sudden start complaining about hamburgers when I tell you it takes almost 2000 gallons of water to produce a pound of beef.

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and yet, most of that water is expelled as breath, piss or ****, which can all be recycled/reused to some extent, as fertilizer, as moisture in the air, etc./

while poisoned EV mining water is just that. poisoned mining water, that permanently contaminates the soil, local water sources, kills wildlife, etc.

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These are evaporation ponds to concentrate lithium salts.

What else is evaporating? All that water just goes back to the environment.

I'm not an EV fanboy or anything, but if you're going to criticize EV, do it honestly. Maybe the mining is damaging, but the water use? None of you give a **** about water use.

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People buying electric vehicles are virtue signalers.

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Dumb

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Not.

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Teslag said:

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Because many people want and prefer them. Everyone should have a choice. If a market exists, it should be served.

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I agree with you on it being market driven, but hasn't the market been artificially created by the government claiming fossil fuels cause climate change?

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No. Tesla lost their tax subsidies and credits years ago. Since that time they have had record sales and demand. People want their vehicles regardless of credits. Even with the new law it's doubtful Tesla gets any of the credits due to materials sourcing and labor requirements.

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That has nothing to do with what I said.

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

Neehau said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Petroleum extraction consists of drilling a hole, not strip mining large swaths of surface area. Gonna have to disagree with you here, not surprisingly.

WHOOP!'91 said:

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Neehau said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Petroleum extraction consists of drilling a hole, not strip mining large swaths of surface area. Gonna have to disagree with you here, not surprisingly.

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Of course you do.

Neehau said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Not recognizing the difference between surface mining of lithium and related metals from third world countries (the major source of such metals) and the ChiCom ownership of such facilities, vs extraction of oil and gas in the USA is ridiculous and willingly naive.

Neehau said:

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Neehau said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Petroleum extraction consists of drilling a hole, not strip mining large swaths of surface area. Gonna have to disagree with you here, not surprisingly.

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Of course you do.

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Since you're wrong and I'm right, as usual, it should surprise no one.

Care to post a photo of petroleum extraction to show how it is as bad as surface mining? You Marxists complain about laying a pipeline scarring mother Gaia, you should be happy about petroleum extraction's relatively minimal impact.

https://www.cred.org/seven-steps-of-oil-and-natural-gas-extraction/



...and mud it up when you're done. A couple of years, it's like you were never there.

B-1 83 said:

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Neehau said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Not recognizing the difference between surface mining of lithium and related metals from third world countries (the major source of such metals) and the ChiCom ownership of such facilities, vs extraction of oil and gas in the USA is ridiculous and willingly naive.

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Oh I recognize the difference. I think the summation of it's harm is politically and economically biased....in addition to being disingenuous and intellectual poppycock.

Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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That's rich. Have you seen a movie recently? Bought and paid for by the "green" lobby

Neehau said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Then what is your solution, genius?

WHOOP!'91 said:

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Neehau said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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Neehau said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Petroleum extraction consists of drilling a hole, not strip mining large swaths of surface area. Gonna have to disagree with you here, not surprisingly.

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Of course you do.

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Since you're wrong and I'm right, as usual, it should surprise no one.

Care to post a photo of petroleum extraction to show how it is as bad as surface mining? You Marxists complain about laying a pipeline scarring mother Gaia, you should be happy about petroleum extraction's relatively minimal impact.

https://www.cred.org/seven-steps-of-oil-and-natural-gas-extraction/



...and mud it up when you're done. A couple of years, it's like you were never there.

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You are making a false equivalency....What was oil extraction like during the time of Spindletop?

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What was oil extraction like during the time of Spindletop?

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Irrelevant.

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What was oil extraction like during the time of Spindletop?

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Irrelevant.

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Absolutely relevant. Wrong sir.

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super harmful to the environment and use massive amounts of water.

So, what the heck are we doing?.

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"Lithium KILLING Fields"

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What we, meaning the corrupt governments, globalists and climate zealots, are doing is funding their back pockets. Governments globally are using tax dollars to selectively fund green companies they have a vested interest in(with a few countries like China that are reaping huge profits for their oligarchs)

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What was oil extraction like during the time of Spindletop?

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Irrelevant.

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Absolutely relevant. Wrong sir.

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Yes it is. The industry doesn't work that way anymore, nor has it for a very long time.

As always, you show that you are absolutely clueless about the subject at hand and have no coherent argument based in reality.

Neehau said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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Neehau said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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Neehau said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Petroleum extraction consists of drilling a hole, not strip mining large swaths of surface area. Gonna have to disagree with you here, not surprisingly.

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Of course you do.

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Since you're wrong and I'm right, as usual, it should surprise no one.

Care to post a photo of petroleum extraction to show how it is as bad as surface mining? You Marxists complain about laying a pipeline scarring mother Gaia, you should be happy about petroleum extraction's relatively minimal impact.

https://www.cred.org/seven-steps-of-oil-and-natural-gas-extraction/



...and mud it up when you're done. A couple of years, it's like you were never there.

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You are making a false equivalency....What was oil extraction like during the time of Spindletop?

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Relevance?

But ok...oil came out until they capped it, then a lot like today except we capture and sell the natgas instead of burning it off.



Still nothing like strip mining. And still irrelevant. Even if lithium mining is cleaner in 120 years, what does that mean today?

Neehau said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Neehau said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

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Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversity loss, damage to ecosystem functions and an increase in global warming.

Trying to play it off as lithium mining being any worse than petroleum extraction or any other mining is ridiculous.

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Not recognizing the difference between surface mining of lithium and related metals from third world countries (the major source of such metals) and the ChiCom ownership of such facilities, vs extraction of oil and gas in the USA is ridiculous and willingly naive.

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Oh I recognize the difference. I think the summation of it's harm is politically and economically biased....in addition to being disingenuous and intellectual poppycock.

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"Politically and economically biased"????????????" How dense are you? Who controls the lithium and major earth metal battery components? By definition, it is a huge political and economic liability to hitch ourselves to China's wagon.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/china-ev-batteries-lithium-mining-51652889888


https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/01/11/the-us-is-losing-the-lithium-industry-to-china/?sh=6feed46416a1

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What was oil extraction like during the time of Spindletop?

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Absolutely relevant. Wrong sir.

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Yes it is. The industry doesn't work that way anymore, nor has it for a very long time.

As always, you show that you are absolutely clueless about the subject at hand and have no coherent argument based in reality.

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You are missing the point. I have complete faith in the free market to ensure lithium mining is as clean as possible. This will happen organically. Much like oil extractions trajectory.

Neehau said:

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CDUB98 said:

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What was oil extraction like during the time of Spindletop?

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Absolutely relevant. Wrong sir.

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After eons as a civilization, China is still a shiphole that pays little attention to environmental concerns, and darn sure has the opportunity and technology to do so in its foreign holdings.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-wrestles-with-the-toxic-aftermath-of-rare-earth-mining

Pssssssssssssst! They.don't.care.

When I thought you couldn't top your self with wishful/naive drivel, you post nonsense like this.

Yes, there are commons issues with environmental consequences of mining. The third world where much of this is done is far less concerned about them than the we are. There's a sufficient public interest for reasonable regulation if the threat of legal liability actions or bad press is inadequate to result in responsible management of negative environmental consequences.

The idea is to have the lightest hand possible to obtain adequate results. Government often clumsily or even vindictively goes beyond that.

Neehau said:

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Absolutely relevant. Wrong sir.

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Yes it is. The industry doesn't work that way anymore, nor has it for a very long time.

As always, you show that you are absolutely clueless about the subject at hand and have no coherent argument based in reality.

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You are missing the point. I have complete faith in the free market to ensure lithium mining is as clean as possible. This will happen organically. Much like oil extractions trajectory.

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It isn't happening organically now. Governments have to give credits and incentives to get people off the cheaper, more reliable power sources. If it was happening organically, you would hear a lot less complaining from conservatives. Your mention of the free market is laughable in this context.

WHOOP!'91 said:

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Neehau said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Absolutely relevant. Wrong sir.

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Yes it is. The industry doesn't work that way anymore, nor has it for a very long time.

As always, you show that you are absolutely clueless about the subject at hand and have no coherent argument based in reality.

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You are missing the point. I have complete faith in the free market to ensure lithium mining is as clean as possible. This will happen organically. Much like oil extractions trajectory.

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It isn't happening organically now. Governments have to give credits and incentives to get people off the cheaper, more reliable power sources. If it was happening organically, you would hear a lot less complaining from conservatives. Your mention of the free market is laughable in this context.

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Conservative are complaining because of propaganda, fox news and the oil lobby. Otherwise, they shouldnt give a ***** Its smart economics even if someone doesn't understand it.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Teslag said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Teslag said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Why do we "need" electric vehicles?

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Because many people want and prefer them. Everyone should have a choice. If a market exists, it should be served.

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I agree with you on it being market driven, but hasn't the market been artificially created by the government claiming fossil fuels cause climate change?

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No. Tesla lost their tax subsidies and credits years ago. Since that time they have had record sales and demand. People want their vehicles regardless of credits. Even with the new law it's doubtful Tesla gets any of the credits due to materials sourcing and labor requirements.

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That has nothing to do with what I said.

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It absolutely does. The market for Teslas don't exist because of tax credits. It exists because people like and want the cars because of the product, and the last 4 years of sales without tax credits prove that.

There is nothing wrong with strip mining. If you are completely opposed to strip mining you'd better get rid of everything you own and live in a cave because chances are almost all the **** in your house in some way came from a strip mine.