Anyone with an IQ above 40 knows the EV push for climate reasons is a hoax. Due to mining and water needs EVs are worse for the environment than fuel engines. And if you are worried about not having enough oil reserves than guess what the minerals needed for EVs are even more scarce. The problem we have is so few Americans have the ability and the desire to do some research and think for themselves

Many EV owners don't care about the environment concerns or even buy them to be green. I know many other Tesla owners. All conservative, none bought to save the environment.

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Hydrogen is not a practical transportation fuel. I think it does have a role to play in power generation though as part of fuel diversification. CCGTs can be designed with the ability to co-fire natural gas and hydrogen. That would allow a generator to utilize hydrogen as part of its fuel supply when economics support it, or even in the event of some sort of supply disruption.

I doubt hydrogen could compete with natural gas at last year's pricing but maybe it's getting close at current pricing?

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Thx, hopefully some others chime in too. Without folks like Biden/Susan Rice/Putin/Merkel in office and doing their things I am not sure natural gas prices can be sustained as high as they are right now though, especially if Europe does diversify further into more nukes etc moving forward.

A diverse range of dispatchable energy sources makes a lot of sense, to me though with none ideally having more than a 20 to 30 percent share...nuclear/coal/nat gas/hydrogen/hydro/whatever else works well.

Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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You can't be this dense, or you are a certifiable troll.

Where will all the lithium, nickel, cadmium, etc…….come from?
Where are the geopolitical sources?
What is the environmental record of those regions and the owners?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/electric-vehicles-world-enough-lithium-resources/

Teslag said:

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Many EV owners don't care about the environment concerns or even buy them to be green. I know many other Tesla owners. All conservative, none bought to save the environment.

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The water and environment is an important issue. But the main one is the fact that we dont have enough Lithium or Cobalt to meet the demand of batteries for EVs.

AND we dont have a viable alternate to Lithium right now.

So....lets get rid of old reliable Oil & Gas.

That's why there should be a balance. For many people, EV's are a perfect choice. For others they are a terrible fit. You can't address the vehicle needs of this country with a one size fits all approach. An urban professional with a 30 mile commute who never tows anything would have a terrible choice in a big diesel truck. Just like a middle class mom with 3 kids living in a rural town would be ill served by an EV sedan.We need options, with no subsidies, and no tax credits.

Why do we "need" electric vehicles?

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Why do we "need" electric vehicles?

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Because many people want and prefer them. Everyone should have a choice. If a market exists, it should be served.

Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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I see troll boy disappeared after dropping this bombshell………..with nothing to back it up. Classic.

Like all liberal solutions, they don't work. Unicorn farts for the win

Picard said:

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Hydrogen is the answer

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95% of which is produced from natural gas. What about all that CO2?

Neehau said:

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This is oil company lobby propaganda.

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Prove it

Teslag said:

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Many EV owners don't care about the environment concerns or even buy them to be green. I know many other Tesla owners. All conservative, none bought to save the environment.

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At least the rare earth slave labor is employed!

Hope they find lithium in Coleman texas

Hope we mine the **** out of it abd all get rich

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Picard said:

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Hydrogen is the answer

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95% of which is produced from natural gas. What about all that CO2?

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For some reason I had always imagined it was electrolysis of water. I guess I learned something today.

Most hydrogen produced today is an industrial byproduct.

The "green" hydrogen everyone dreams about would probably be produced from water through hydrolysis powered by solar or wind. Green hydrogen is very expensive.

Here is the list of hydrogen "colors"

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Green hydrogen is produced through water electrolysis process by employing renewable electricity. The reason it is called green is that there is no CO2 emission during the production process. Water electrolysis is a process which uses electricity to decompose water into hydrogen gas and oxygen.
Blue hydrogen is sourced from fossil fuel. However, the CO2 is captured and stored underground (carbon sequestration). Companies are also trying to utilise the captured carbon called carbon capture, storage and utilisation (CCSU). Utilisation is not essential to qualify for blue hydrogen. As no CO2 is emitted, so the blue hydrogen production process is categorised as carbon neutral.
Gray hydrogen is produced from fossil fuel and commonly uses steam methane reforming (SMR) method. During this process, CO2 is produced and eventually released to the atmosphere.
Black or brown hydrogen is produced from coal. The black and brown colours refer to the type bituminous (black) and lignite (brown) coal. The gasification of coal is a method used to produce hydrogen. However, it is a very polluting process, and CO2 and carbon monoxide are produced as by-products and released to the atmosphere.
Turquoise hydrogen can be extracted by using the thermal splitting of methane via methane pyrolysis. The process, though at the experimental stage, remove the carbon in a solid form instead of CO2 gas.
Purple hydrogen is made though using nuclear power and heat through combined chemo thermal electrolysis splitting of water.
Pink hydrogen is generated through electrolysis of water by using electricity from a nuclear power plant.
Red hydrogen is produced through the high-temperature catalytic splitting of water using nuclear power thermal as an energy source.
White hydrogen refers to naturally occurring hydrogen.

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Bird Poo said:

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Picard said:

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Hydrogen is the answer

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95% of which is produced from natural gas. What about all that CO2?

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For some reason I had always imagined it was electrolysis of water. I guess I learned something today.

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Also need lots of power to separate H from O. More than is available from the resulting H.

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Picard said:

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Hydrogen is the answer

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95% of which is produced from natural gas. What about all that CO2?

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Enter electroFuels! Awesome technology using Fischer Tropsch to reform hydrocarbons, can make gas, diesel, jet fuel. IMO this will be part of the future as big energy players work to generate more hydrogen and capture CO2 - this process can be used as a direct drop in replacement for petroleum derived fuels. Can use existing infra (vessels, pipelines, trucks, etc) and no changes needed at the vehicle level.

Same line as to how things like Renewable Diesel are produced today, just without the usage of animal fats, soy/corn oils, used cooking oils etc.

As said above, Green Hydrogen as a driver for future use is a pipe dream and not feasible. Blue Hydrogen usage would be a significant step forward and far more economical.

LostInLA07 said:

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Hydrogen is not a practical transportation fuel. I think it does have a role to play in power generation though as part of fuel diversification. CCGTs can be designed with the ability to co-fire natural gas and hydrogen. That would allow a generator to utilize hydrogen as part of its fuel supply when economics support it, or even in the event of some sort of supply disruption.

I doubt hydrogen could compete with natural gas at last year's pricing but maybe it's getting close at current pricing?

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Hydrogen fuel cells absolutely have a place, conceivably much better way to have electric vehicles.

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Teslag said:

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Many EV owners don't care about the environment concerns or even buy them to be green. I know many other Tesla owners. All conservative, none bought to save the environment.

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At least the rare earth slave labor is employed!

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The world needs ditch diggers too

itsyourboypookie said:

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Hope they find lithium in Coleman texas

Hope we mine the **** out of it abd all get rich

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I think I had read there is a large reserve of lithium in Hudspeth County. Everything west of 281 is a ****hole anyway so mine away.

Teslag said:

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samurai_science said:

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Teslag said:

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Many EV owners don't care about the environment concerns or even buy them to be green. I know many other Tesla owners. All conservative, none bought to save the environment.

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At least the rare earth slave labor is employed!

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The world needs ditch diggers too

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"Ditch"

I support clean coal power as well.



And uranium for nuclear power



And copper for the electricity in my home and machines



Mining for anything is dirty and destroys land. We need the resources. We should take them all.

cecil77 said:

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LostInLA07 said:

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Hydrogen is not a practical transportation fuel. I think it does have a role to play in power generation though as part of fuel diversification. CCGTs can be designed with the ability to co-fire natural gas and hydrogen. That would allow a generator to utilize hydrogen as part of its fuel supply when economics support it, or even in the event of some sort of supply disruption.

I doubt hydrogen could compete with natural gas at last year's pricing but maybe it's getting close at current pricing?

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Hydrogen fuel cells absolutely have a place, conceivably much better way to have electric vehicles.

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Honda had a fuel cell hybrid a dozen years ago...only released in Kalifornia...problem was hydrogen re-fueling stations...I thought it was a great idea as well, but not available for sale o/s KA.

That's nothing.

CA almond growers use 4,193,862,600,000 Liters of water per year.

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How many ICE vehicles just sitting in your garage or parked on the street just spontaneously combust???

Oh, yeah, that's right - ZERO!!!

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https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-08-23/kia-telluride-and-hyundai-palisade-owners-should-park-outside-over-fire-risk-dept-of-transportation

It's a plot by the EV industry to distract from their battery fires!!!

Teslag said:

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Red Red Wine said:

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How many ICE vehicles just sitting in your garage or parked on the street just spontaneously combust???

Oh, yeah, that's right - ZERO!!!

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https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/03/2021-ram-truck-owner-encouraged-to-park-vehicle-outside-due-to-fire-risk-recall-announced.html

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Fiat Chrysler says it will recall thousands of 2021 model year heavy-duty diesel Ram trucks over concerns of a possible fire hazard and are warning owners to park their trucks outside. According to the Associated Press, the company says pickup and chassis cab trucks have heater electrical relays that can short, which can cause it to overheat and possibly cause a fire.

The issue can even happened when the engine is turned off, leading the company to tell owners of impacted trucks to leave the truck outside.

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Whats the ratio of ev fires to market share vs ICE. Plus they're always electrical fires.

Teslag said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Why do we "need" electric vehicles?

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Because many people want and prefer them. Everyone should have a choice. If a market exists, it should be served.

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If they do, why do they need government subsidies? Isn't that unneeded govt market influence?

People buying electric vehicles are virtue signalers.

Question for research, does anyone have a link to an honest/objective source that compares the environmental impact of "green" energy sources against "fossil fuel" or historic sources?

I have much skepticism against the push for green, but if possible I'd like a fair take on it that examines the pros and cons of both.

tk for tu juan said:

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Red Red Wine said:

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How many ICE vehicles just sitting in your garage or parked on the street just spontaneously combust???

Oh, yeah, that's right - ZERO!!!

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https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-08-23/kia-telluride-and-hyundai-palisade-owners-should-park-outside-over-fire-risk-dept-of-transportation

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Which involves moisture in an electrical harness for towing. Once again, an electrical fire that has nothing to do with the ICE components. Maybe you can mention ford pinto's exploding.

jonj101 said:

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Question for research, does anyone have a link to an honest/objective source that compares the environmental impact of "green" energy sources against "fossil fuel" or historic sources?

I have much skepticism against the push for green, but if possible I'd like a fair take on it that examines the pros and cons of both.

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Literally everything is discredited and removed. Even scientific studies.