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Who knows leftists and CMs, this time maybe Lucy will keep the football in place for Charlie Brown.

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You know some of them are suddenly afraid we might be right. This is how all of these have gone: dramatic and salacious with lots of glee transforming to "hey, maybe this isn't really plausible" to "oh, ***** We were lied to yet again!"

Good thing for them is that a lot of them convince themselves the allegations are true and cling to that narrative even after they're disproven. Delusion is a helluva drug.

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Y'all won't believe me but I truly do hope this turns out to be very far from the worst case scenario. I hope WaPo is wrong, or exaggerating. I don't actually want to see classified nuclear weapon documents be (let's call it) "mishandled," either negligently or purposefully.

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How many times have they been right? That's a much shorter list. Why do you and the OP keep falling for every one of these that come out. Wake up and save some of your dignity.

So now they're saying Trump may have had our nation's most sensitive nuclear secrets - but they waited a year and half to go get them?

What's next - that he's hiding nuclear missiles under his bed?

— Monica Crowley (@MonicaCrowley) August 12, 2022

I didn't really hear Levin today, so glad he and I are thinking similarly. I do agree that this was an attempt to find anything to be used for January 6. This is Stalinist and disgusting.

Media Matters brainstorming

Holy crap they leaked this fantasy they heard on CNN to WAPO. They plagiarized that ridiculous justification. Hiiiiilarious!!! https://t.co/TgIzL3aGe2

— Paul Dykstra (@Padman4321) August 12, 2022

There you have it! Chew on that!

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I'll still wait for all this to play out. This is a newsworthy article and that's why I posted it. It could amount to nothing, it could be WAPO propaganda, I have no idea. But it is interesting and it does warrant further explanation.

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News worthy like "Trump still has the launch codes"?


Because that's the only way this horse excrement is news worthy.

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If he had the launch codes, it wouldn't matter. There is zero possibility that they would have issued Biden the same launch codes as what Trump had.

There are a number of kinds of documents that would be a concern. It seems likely that Trump would not have had the design documents. If he had, that would certain warrant a search warrant to retrieve them.

Documents about our systems and procedures would definitely be classified.

Also, documents regarding the nuclear capabilities of other countries. We wouldn't want them to know how much (or little) we know and we wouldn't want to provide them any information they use to identify our sources of that information.

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Documents about our systems and procedures would definitely be classified.

Also, documents regarding the nuclear capabilities of other countries. We wouldn't want them to know how much (or little) we know and we wouldn't want to provide them any information they use to identify our sources of that information

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So who is he going to sell this info to?

Well, someone opened the barn door. They are all here and they believe it.

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Documents about our systems and procedures would definitely be classified.

Also, documents regarding the nuclear capabilities of other countries. We wouldn't want them to know how much (or little) we know and we wouldn't want to provide them any information they use to identify our sources of that information

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So who is he going to sell this info to?

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To Putin! He's a Russian agent!

(They actually believe this)

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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Just ask the the Trump team for the documents. Wow how stupid can Garland be?

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I wonder if the search warrant would explain why they felt a search warrant was necessary to retrieve the documents.

Wapo.

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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What people shouldn't have documents Trump declassified?

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I didn't really hear Levin today, so glad he and I are thinking similarly. I do agree that this was an attempt to find anything to be used for January 6. This is Stalinist and disgusting.

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Levins feeling is they were abusing their warrant powers on the files Trump had to get a foot in the door to fish for other incriminating material. He called it the "plain view doctrine"

lol callin bull****

nuke secrets were in the wind for 18 months and still are (since they don't have a bloody tunic)

if you believe this you are stupid

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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Trumps team was already cooperating with a subpoena. He had them in his house back in June so they could examine what he had. I believe his team turned over 15 boxes already before that. His team provided them with surveillance tapes. They locked down the room with the remaining files at the request of the FBI.

Nothing in their behavior screams "we need a warrant and raid when Trump is out away from his house".

Further, they knew where the files were in the locked room. Why spend some 10-12 hours in a search?

This nuclear story is a cya bull**** ruse fed to the WaPo in hopes the media runs with it thus becoming the narrative and being "serious enough" for a raid.

I believe this story about as much as I believed Trump pissed on Russian hookers.

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I didn't really hear Levin today, so glad he and I are thinking similarly. I do agree that this was an attempt to find anything to be used for January 6. This is Stalinist and disgusting.

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Levins feeling is they were abusing their warrant powers on the files Trump had to get a foot in the door to fish for other incriminating material. He called it the "plain view doctrine"

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What he means is once inside the property, especially roaming around it for 9 hours, they were hoping to "spot" or "see" something just visible. They are allowed to seize perceived illegal things if they just spot them. Levin's view makes plenty sense- - -this was a fishing expedition for Jan 6 and rather literally "fishing around the house" trying to spot something, anything, they could call illegal and seize it. Not from concern for documetns per-se. That seems to be the thrust of it.

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Clob94 said:

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Malibu2 said:

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I'll still wait for all this to play out. This is a newsworthy article and that's why I posted it. It could amount to nothing, it could be WAPO propaganda, I have no idea. But it is interesting and it does warrant further explanation.

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News worthy like "Trump still has the launch codes"?


Because that's the only way this horse excrement is news worthy.

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If he had the launch codes, it wouldn't matter. There is zero possibility that they would have issued Biden the same launch codes as what Trump had.

There are a number of kinds of documents that would be a concern. It seems likely that Trump would not have had the design documents. If he had, that would certain warrant a search warrant to retrieve them.

Documents about our systems and procedures would definitely be classified.

Also, documents regarding the nuclear capabilities of other countries. We wouldn't want them to know how much (or little) we know and we wouldn't want to provide them any information they use to identify our sources of that information.

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Getting access the actual designs of our nuclear weapons (other than Little Boy which is completely unclassified and available to the public as it is simple physics, and much of Fat Man is also unclassified with the main exception being the nuclear trigger) is one of the most complex processes in the US government. If Trump had asked for them as President, it would have set of a billion alarm bells, and given how many people in his administration were just waiting for the chance to knife him; it would have become public within a nanosecond that Trump was trying to get his hands on nuclear weapon designs.

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4stringAg said:

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I didn't really hear Levin today, so glad he and I are thinking similarly. I do agree that this was an attempt to find anything to be used for January 6. This is Stalinist and disgusting.

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Levins feeling is they were abusing their warrant powers on the files Trump had to get a foot in the door to fish for other incriminating material. He called it the "plain view doctrine"

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What he means is once inside the property, especially roaming around it for 9 hours, they were hoping to "spot" or "see" something just visible. They are allowed to seize perceived illegal things if they just spot them. Levin's view makes plenty sense- - -this was a fishing expedition for Jan 6 and rather literally "fishing around the house" trying to spot something, anything, they could call illegal and seize it. Not from concern for documetns per-se. That seems to be the thrust of it.

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Yes that was it as he explained it on his program.

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if it was, they could have just asked for them back.

they knew back in June he had these docs because they reviewed them in person.. they even asked at that time for him to put up additional door security.

they knew the inventory of the docs back in January 2020.

They are just trying to use ANYTHING now to save face.

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Not that you care, but it has been reported that they did ask and they didn't get everything they asked for.

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Asking for several of Melania's worn panties for Biden to sniff and Hunter to wear was politely declined.

Que Te Gusta Mas said:

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eric76 said:

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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What people shouldn't have documents Trump declassified?

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If they were indeed declassified, then that should be a defense that Trump could use if there are any charges over this.

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Que Te Gusta Mas said:

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eric76 said:

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El_Zorro said:

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Malibu2 said:

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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What people shouldn't have documents Trump declassified?

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If they were indeed declassified, then that should be a defense that Trump could use if there are any charges over this.

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That is the defense. The allegations come from the National Archives. The President has power of classification during his term.

The credibility of unnamed sources was lost years ago with the campaign wire tapping and Russian pee-pee dossier.

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if it was, they could have just asked for them back.

they knew back in June he had these docs because they reviewed them in person.. they even asked at that time for him to put up additional door security.

they knew the inventory of the docs back in January 2020.

They are just trying to use ANYTHING now to save face.

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Not that you care, but it has been reported that they did ask and they didn't get everything they asked for.

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Its been reported that he paid hookers to pee on a bed. Only morons believe this stuff.

By Monday, the New York Times will be running a story about how Trump had the Ark of the Covenant

— Dan Gainor (@dangainor) August 12, 2022

While Trump was hijacking The Beast, strangling his secret service agent, plotting to overthrow the US government, and shattering plates at the White House, he was also secretly copying nuclear documents to store in a safe at his house in Florida.

That’s their narrative.

— Daniel Bostic (@debostic) August 12, 2022

The President had “nuclear secrets” at Mar a Lago.

But in January the Feds remove 15 boxes of documents.

FIFTEEN.

But leave the nuke docs.

Right.

And Biden just had COVID.

They really think you’re that thick.

— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) August 12, 2022

4stringAg said:

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eric76 said:

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El_Zorro said:

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Malibu2 said:

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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Trumps team was already cooperating with a subpoena. He had them in his house back in June so they could examine what he had. I believe his team turned over 15 boxes already before that. His team provided them with surveillance tapes. They locked down the room with the remaining files at the request of the FBI.

Nothing in their behavior screams "we need a warrant and raid when Trump is out away from his house".

Further, they knew where the files were in the locked room. Why spend some 10-12 hours in a search?

This nuclear story is a cya bull**** ruse fed to the WaPo in hopes the media runs with it thus becoming the narrative and being "serious enough" for a raid.

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For what it's worth, executing the search warrant while Trump was away was probably somewhat less intrusive than if Trump had been present.

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eric76 said:

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Clob94 said:

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Malibu2 said:

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I'll still wait for all this to play out. This is a newsworthy article and that's why I posted it. It could amount to nothing, it could be WAPO propaganda, I have no idea. But it is interesting and it does warrant further explanation.

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News worthy like "Trump still has the launch codes"?


Because that's the only way this horse excrement is news worthy.

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If he had the launch codes, it wouldn't matter. There is zero possibility that they would have issued Biden the same launch codes as what Trump had.

There are a number of kinds of documents that would be a concern. It seems likely that Trump would not have had the design documents. If he had, that would certain warrant a search warrant to retrieve them.

Documents about our systems and procedures would definitely be classified.

Also, documents regarding the nuclear capabilities of other countries. We wouldn't want them to know how much (or little) we know and we wouldn't want to provide them any information they use to identify our sources of that information.

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Getting access the actual designs of our nuclear weapons (other than Little Boy which is completely unclassified and available to the public as it is simple physics, and much of Fat Man is also unclassified with the main exception being the nuclear trigger) is one of the most complex processes in the US government. If Trump had asked for them as President, it would have set of a billion alarm bells, and given how many people in his administration were just waiting for the chance to knife him; it would have become public within a nanosecond that Trump was trying to get his hands on nuclear weapon designs.

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Yep. I can't imagine Trump having the designs themselves. They would be entirely meaningless to him.

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4stringAg said:

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eric76 said:

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El_Zorro said:

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Malibu2 said:

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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Trumps team was already cooperating with a subpoena. He had them in his house back in June so they could examine what he had. I believe his team turned over 15 boxes already before that. His team provided them with surveillance tapes. They locked down the room with the remaining files at the request of the FBI.

Nothing in their behavior screams "we need a warrant and raid when Trump is out away from his house".

Further, they knew where the files were in the locked room. Why spend some 10-12 hours in a search?

This nuclear story is a cya bull**** ruse fed to the WaPo in hopes the media runs with it thus becoming the narrative and being "serious enough" for a raid.

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For what it's worth, executing the search warrant while Trump was away was probably somewhat less intrusive than if Trump had been present.

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Less intrusive than someone protecting themselves while they had their head shoved into the ground? You have a right to defend yourself against unwarranted attacks.

Que Te Gusta Mas said:

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Que Te Gusta Mas said:

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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What people shouldn't have documents Trump declassified?

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If they were indeed declassified, then that should be a defense that Trump could use if there are any charges over this.

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That is the defense. The allegations come from the National Archives. The President has power of classification during his term.

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He does have the power, but there are procedures to do so. I would assume, for instance, that the documents wouldn't go through some kind of review to blacken out anything in the documents that was highly secret.

Have you ever seen declassified documents? You could potentially have entire pages blacked out.

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eric76 said:

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El_Zorro said:

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Malibu2 said:

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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Trumps team was already cooperating with a subpoena. He had them in his house back in June so they could examine what he had. I believe his team turned over 15 boxes already before that. His team provided them with surveillance tapes. They locked down the room with the remaining files at the request of the FBI.

Nothing in their behavior screams "we need a warrant and raid when Trump is out away from his house".

Further, they knew where the files were in the locked room. Why spend some 10-12 hours in a search?

This nuclear story is a cya bull**** ruse fed to the WaPo in hopes the media runs with it thus becoming the narrative and being "serious enough" for a raid.

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For what it's worth, executing the search warrant while Trump was away was probably somewhat less intrusive than if Trump had been present.

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Less intrusive than someone protecting themselves while they had their head shoved into the ground? You have a right to defend yourself against unwarranted attacks.

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Did anyone shove his head into the ground?

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El_Zorro said:

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Malibu2 said:

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zoneag said:

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Edited my cheap shot, no reason for it.

To me this seems like them needing to put out something that sounds serious to justify the raid as it's getting a lot of backlash.

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Well, I would say that nuclear documents are serious, and if the reporting is true I would like to understand the whole story. I am not taking a position one way or another here. It's an interesting development.

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There are no records. NONE! That would justify raiding the President's residence.

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If they could depend on Trump to turn over the documents when asked, I would agree with you. If there was a strong possibility that Trump might hide the documents or give them to people who shouldn't have them before they could get them back, then a search warrant would have not only been justified, but probably necessary as well.

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Trumps team was already cooperating with a subpoena. He had them in his house back in June so they could examine what he had. I believe his team turned over 15 boxes already before that. His team provided them with surveillance tapes. They locked down the room with the remaining files at the request of the FBI.

Nothing in their behavior screams "we need a warrant and raid when Trump is out away from his house".

Further, they knew where the files were in the locked room. Why spend some 10-12 hours in a search?

This nuclear story is a cya bull**** ruse fed to the WaPo in hopes the media runs with it thus becoming the narrative and being "serious enough" for a raid.

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For what it's worth, executing the search warrant while Trump was away was probably somewhat less intrusive than if Trump had been present.

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Or, you know, they could have not raided his home. It was unprecedented, after all. This is the theater of the absurd.