BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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Silian Rail said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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The "right" will never ever win another race anywhere in this nation without the evangelical religious.

But the evangelical religious can win contests by working with both people of the right and left.

Hispanics are very religious. Union members are often very religious. Trump young males are very religious. The Republican Party will be lucky to hold on to these groups. Anti-globalists are mostly religious and don't like the corporatists of the WEF.

Keep talking like the OP and you can be guaranteed to never win again. It is a coalition. You give and take to be in the coalition. Despise one leg of the three legged stool and you tip over. Democrats understand this. Country club republicans must constantly be reminded.

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Social Conservatism mixed with Economic Nationalism is the winning ticket. That's what real Americans want.

(y-axis is social conservatism +1, social liberalism -1)

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what i see on that plot is the reason for inflation is that neither side cares about economic conservativism

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I really don't blame them, the deficit is never going to be addressed. We have so many unfunded liabilities that are electoral suicide to mess with. The entire world is in massive debt, it's going to come crashing down but it's already so big it's practically impossible to deal with.

Why can't there be an and vs only or?

Unifying a party doesn't mean excluding them.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Do you think our country has improved or declined with the increase of degenerate behavior and rejection of God?

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When was this not the case?
We can go way back.

Pre USA
When Catholics were making deals, enslaving and killing natives?

Protestants buying Manhattan for beads.

They embraced God so all good, right?

When we were dunking "witches", errrrr women we did not like?

They were wrong, but embraced God so all good, right?

1776-1865
We all know what this was.

They were wrong, but embraced God so all good, right?

19th Century, Early 20th Century
Rejection of God brought us "Demon Rum", the drug (alcohol) of the 19th century which culminated in the early 20th century prohibition.

All those temperance churches made it all better, right?
(Maybe they did, smashing private property for the greater good)

1920s
Just a church group, nothing degenerate


Up to 1965
God and Jesus were ok with this too, right?



Sorry, please be specific with your time frame when in the US we did not have degenerate behavior and embraced God.

AgBQ-00 said:

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Nope just lived the last quarter of the 20th century and have listened to those who survived the nightmare you support. Anyone who supports any of the tenets of that evil should be ashamed of themselves and shunned from society.

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But you're head over heels for capitalism, right?

icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Nope just lived the last quarter of the 20th century and have listened to those who survived the nightmare you support. Anyone who supports any of the tenets of that evil should be ashamed of themselves and shunned from society.

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But you're head over heels for capitalism, right?

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Welcome to the New Right

titan said:

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That's true but where the Left worldview leads and governs the trend seems clear these days:

Kalamazoo Michigan decriminalizes public urination, defecation | TexAgs

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There's always idiots that make their side look bad. I know I could put just as many examples for the right, I just need to go to a biased outlet to find them, but that doesn't mean that people, even right leaning ones, aren't happy with where the country is.

That doesn't mean it's perfect or ideal, but it's not the doom and gloom portrayed by some. Trust me, our great great grandkids will be having these discussions, all while living their best lives with friends and families.

Silian Rail said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Nope just lived the last quarter of the 20th century and have listened to those who survived the nightmare you support. Anyone who supports any of the tenets of that evil should be ashamed of themselves and shunned from society.

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But you're head over heels for capitalism, right?

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Welcome to the New Right

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So you're also in love with capitalism?

No Spin Ag said:

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titan said:

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That's true but where the Left worldview leads and governs the trend seems clear these days:

Kalamazoo Michigan decriminalizes public urination, defecation | TexAgs

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There's always idiots that make their side look bad. I know I could put just as many examples for the right, I just need to go to a biased outlet to find them, but that doesn't mean that people, even right leaning ones, aren't happy with where the country is.

That doesn't mean it's perfect or ideal, but it's not the doom and gloom portrayed by some. Trust me, our great great grandkids will be having these discussions, all while living their best lives with friends and families.

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Yes, but these are municipal governments that along with Washington DC, one after another, are imposing this kind of stuff. There just is no arguing their trajectory.

It is a damned sight better than communist slavery. It has flaws but it is the best most natural way of raising millions out of poverty and innovating and creating better lives.

icrymyselftosleep said:

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Silian Rail said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Nope just lived the last quarter of the 20th century and have listened to those who survived the nightmare you support. Anyone who supports any of the tenets of that evil should be ashamed of themselves and shunned from society.

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But you're head over heels for capitalism, right?

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Welcome to the New Right

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So you're also in love with capitalism?

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no, we AREN'T in love with capitalism

StandUpforAmerica said:

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So wanting to adhere to the definition of marriage that was used for thousands of years (and the first 200+ years of this country) is wanting a theocracy?

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Thousands of years, where?

Numerous civilizations had different ideas on "marriage".

titan said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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titan said:

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That's true but where the Left worldview leads and governs the trend seems clear these days:

Kalamazoo Michigan decriminalizes public urination, defecation | TexAgs

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There's always idiots that make their side look bad. I know I could put just as many examples for the right, I just need to go to a biased outlet to find them, but that doesn't mean that people, even right leaning ones, aren't happy with where the country is.

That doesn't mean it's perfect or ideal, but it's not the doom and gloom portrayed by some. Trust me, our great great grandkids will be having these discussions, all while living their best lives with friends and families.

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Yes, but these are municipal governments that along with Washington DC, one after another, are imposing this kind of stuff. There just is no arguing their trajectory.

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"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." -Anatole France

BigRobSA said:

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StandUpforAmerica said:

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So wanting to adhere to the definition of marriage that was used for thousands of years (and the first 200+ years of this country) is wanting a theocracy?

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Thousands of years, where?

Numerous civilizations had different ideas on "marriage".

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pay no attention to this man, he is fat and a libertarian.

My letter to the religious right would be:

Your religious values should make logical sense. Having a higher authority keeps our Hubris in check. Men and women staying married helps raise better children and ultimately a better society.

If you're arguing an issue, argue from a point of logic to back up your religious beliefs. Avoid saying "because the Bible says". The Bible may say it, but if you don't understand logically why you should do something you're never going to convince anyone who's non-religious.

BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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Silian Rail said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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The "right" will never ever win another race anywhere in this nation without the evangelical religious.

But the evangelical religious can win contests by working with both people of the right and left.

Hispanics are very religious. Union members are often very religious. Trump young males are very religious. The Republican Party will be lucky to hold on to these groups. Anti-globalists are mostly religious and don't like the corporatists of the WEF.

Keep talking like the OP and you can be guaranteed to never win again. It is a coalition. You give and take to be in the coalition. Despise one leg of the three legged stool and you tip over. Democrats understand this. Country club republicans must constantly be reminded.

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Social Conservatism mixed with Economic Nationalism is the winning ticket. That's what real Americans want.

(y-axis is social conservatism +1, social liberalism -1)

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what i see on that plot is the reason for inflation is that neither side cares about economic conservativism

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It means that the right in the US is actually economic nationalist and protectionist at the basic level.

AgBQ-00 said:

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It is a damned sight better than communist slavery. It has flaws but it is the best most natural way of raising millions out of poverty and innovating and creating better lives.

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I encourage you to read "The Condition of the Working Class in England" to really show you how great capitalism is.

icrymyselftosleep said:

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Silian Rail said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Nope just lived the last quarter of the 20th century and have listened to those who survived the nightmare you support. Anyone who supports any of the tenets of that evil should be ashamed of themselves and shunned from society.

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But you're head over heels for capitalism, right?

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Welcome to the New Right

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So you're also in love with capitalism?

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I am. An actual conservative would be.

Zarathustra said:

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My letter to the religious right would be:

Your religious values should make logical sense. Having a higher authority keeps our Hubris in check. Men and women staying married helps raise better children and ultimately a better society.

If you're arguing an issue, argue from a point of logic to back up your religious beliefs. Avoid saying "because the Bible says". The Bible may say it, but if you don't understand logically why you should do something you're never going to convince anyone who's non-religious.

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Dude have you even read your namesake? What happened to will to power? The depravity of the last man?

Malibu2 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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"Conservatives should care about conserving bank accounts and turn a blind eye to the cultural rot. I reap the spoils of my forefathers and their moral grounding - but don't care to leave the same legacy for my successors."

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I don't look to our forefathers for moral grounding. Slavery is an obviously evil institution that our forefathers had no qualms about. That we have moved from a government where slavery was written into our Constitution to now acknowledging that two gay people are not evil for being gay and can actually get married is a welcome step in the direction of morality.

That doesn't mean we look around at how people act today and say wow we're so much more moral than they were back then. It's just that we don't turn a blind eye to the evil crap that our ancestors did and pine for the good old days where people were better.

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Your knowledge of our country's forefathers is extremely surface level, as taught by teacher union back curriculum. And calling the allowance of gay marriage a step towards morality is high comedy.

We on the right should reject these fools simply because they are fools who make crap up about our nation's founding and have t the slightest clue about morality.

Zarathustra said:

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My letter to the religious right would be:

Your religious values should make logical sense. Having a higher authority keeps our Hubris in check. Men and women staying married helps raise better children and ultimately a better society.

If you're arguing an issue, argue from a point of logic to back up your religious beliefs. Avoid saying "because the Bible says". The Bible may say it, but if you don't understand logically why you should do something you're never going to convince anyone who's non-religious.

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That's sound advice. It also can better survive scrutiny and limits on legal aspects.

icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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It is a damned sight better than communist slavery. It has flaws but it is the best most natural way of raising millions out of poverty and innovating and creating better lives.

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I encourage you to read "The Condition of the Working Class in England" to really show you how great capitalism is.

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**** the poor. You get what you're worth and not a penny more.

BigRobSA said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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Silian Rail said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Nope just lived the last quarter of the 20th century and have listened to those who survived the nightmare you support. Anyone who supports any of the tenets of that evil should be ashamed of themselves and shunned from society.

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But you're head over heels for capitalism, right?

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Welcome to the New Right

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So you're also in love with capitalism?

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I am. An actual conservative would be.

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You might want to confer with your associates
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3303247/replies/62535819

BigRobSA said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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Silian Rail said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Nope just lived the last quarter of the 20th century and have listened to those who survived the nightmare you support. Anyone who supports any of the tenets of that evil should be ashamed of themselves and shunned from society.

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But you're head over heels for capitalism, right?

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Welcome to the New Right

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So you're also in love with capitalism?

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I am. An actual conservative would be.

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Believe it or not, conservatism actually existed before the free market. One can argue capitalism always existed as it's a force as real as gravity.

El_Zorro said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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It is a damned sight better than communist slavery. It has flaws but it is the best most natural way of raising millions out of poverty and innovating and creating better lives.

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I encourage you to read "The Condition of the Working Class in England" to really show you how great capitalism is.

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**** the poor. You get what you're worth and not a penny more.

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Least classist conservative right here, folks

icrymyselftosleep said:

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El_Zorro said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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It is a damned sight better than communist slavery. It has flaws but it is the best most natural way of raising millions out of poverty and innovating and creating better lives.

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I encourage you to read "The Condition of the Working Class in England" to really show you how great capitalism is.

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**** the poor. You get what you're worth and not a penny more.

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Least classist conservative right here, folks

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Yep. I grew up poor. Robber baron capitalism is the way.

El_Zorro said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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It is a damned sight better than communist slavery. It has flaws but it is the best most natural way of raising millions out of poverty and innovating and creating better lives.

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I encourage you to read "The Condition of the Working Class in England" to really show you how great capitalism is.

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**** the poor. You get what you're worth and not a penny more.

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If we do not see Christ in the poor, Christ in the unborn child, how can we expect to see him in our country?

icrymyselftosleep said:

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titan said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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titan said:

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That's true but where the Left worldview leads and governs the trend seems clear these days:

Kalamazoo Michigan decriminalizes public urination, defecation | TexAgs

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There's always idiots that make their side look bad. I know I could put just as many examples for the right, I just need to go to a biased outlet to find them, but that doesn't mean that people, even right leaning ones, aren't happy with where the country is.

That doesn't mean it's perfect or ideal, but it's not the doom and gloom portrayed by some. Trust me, our great great grandkids will be having these discussions, all while living their best lives with friends and families.

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Yes, but these are municipal governments that along with Washington DC, one after another, are imposing this kind of stuff. There just is no arguing their trajectory.

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"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." -Anatole France

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What does that have to do with enabling degeneracy, unsanitary, and lawlessness on so wide scale?

I fully understand that there are corporate tyrants just as much as there are government tyrants. And there is nothing socialism/communism can do that would be better than what was built here in this country. All of the collectivist ideologies are bankrupt built entirely on envy and strife, and rob the individual of their drive to better themselves.

WestAustinAg said:

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Keep talking like the OP and you can be guaranteed to never win again. It is a coalition. You give and take to be in the coalition. Despise one leg of the three legged stool and you tip over. Democrats understand this. Country club republicans must constantly be reminded.

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Yes, you give and take. This is what the Texas GOP voted on as our top 15 priorities in order:

Protect elections
Ban Democratic chairs
Abolish abortion in Texas
Protect the electric grid
Ban gender modification of children
Ban taxpayer-funded lobbying
Stop sexualizing Texas kids
Secure the border
Eliminate property taxes
Educational freedom and parental rights
Protect medical freedom
Defend gun rights
Stop executive overreach
Convention of States
Save women's sports

Banning gay marriage didn't make that list. But the theocratic religious right wants to come in and put banning gay marriage at the top of that list. That is what I mean by hijacking the movement. They're welcome to join but they should understand that they're JOINING, not HIJACKING.

Silian Rail said:

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El_Zorro said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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It is a damned sight better than communist slavery. It has flaws but it is the best most natural way of raising millions out of poverty and innovating and creating better lives.

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I encourage you to read "The Condition of the Working Class in England" to really show you how great capitalism is.

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**** the poor. You get what you're worth and not a penny more.

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If we do not see Christ in the poor, Christ in the unborn child, how can we expect to see him in our country?

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I know that. But I'm not Christ. And I'm tired of being forced to pay for others at the barrel of a gun.

BigRobSA said:

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StandUpforAmerica said:

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So wanting to adhere to the definition of marriage that was used for thousands of years (and the first 200+ years of this country) is wanting a theocracy?

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Thousands of years, where?

Numerous civilizations had different ideas on "marriage".

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Western civilizations.... I'll narrow it down for you to 1000+ years.

icrymyselftosleep said:

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Silian Rail said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Nope just lived the last quarter of the 20th century and have listened to those who survived the nightmare you support. Anyone who supports any of the tenets of that evil should be ashamed of themselves and shunned from society.

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But you're head over heels for capitalism, right?

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Welcome to the New Right

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So you're also in love with capitalism?

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Quite the opposite really. We blame capitalism for creating a lot of the modern conditions of social rot. Capitalism is fine when your population is religious and moral and focused upon good values. It does not work when you have global elite controlled banks running everything and controlling monetary supply with no regards to the citizens of the country.

Of course that isn't to say we like socialism either because we don't. We also blame that for a lot of the social rot. It also doesn't work for the exact same reasons listed above.

A country without morals or culture is a country of nothing but economic units that exists solely to consume product that can be easily controlled by the state with free things.

We have the absolute worst of all worlds right now in a country that is controlled by people who care nothing about it at all, many of which are not even citizens of the country.

Right on!

AgBQ-00 said:

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I fully understand that there are corporate tyrants just as much as there are government tyrants. And there is nothing about socialism/communism can do that would be better than what was built here in this country. All of the collectivist ideologies are bankrupt built entirely on envy and strife, and rob the individual of their drive to better themselves.

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They also install unaccountable governments very resistance to removal or change. They lack even the honor or the reciprocal duties expected of a medieval Lord to his vassals.

D.C. is becoming that way and its supposedly a Republic. Now imagine a genuine Coercive Socialist govt like in Venezuela (and now Columbia)

TexAgs91 said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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Keep talking like the OP and you can be guaranteed to never win again. It is a coalition. You give and take to be in the coalition. Despise one leg of the three legged stool and you tip over. Democrats understand this. Country club republicans must constantly be reminded.

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Yes, you give and take. This is what the Texas GOP voted on as our top 15 priorities in order:

Protect elections
Ban Democratic chairs
Abolish abortion in Texas
Protect the electric grid
Ban gender modification of children
Ban taxpayer-funded lobbying
Stop sexualizing Texas kids
Secure the border
Eliminate property taxes
Educational freedom and parental rights
Protect medical freedom
Defend gun rights
Stop executive overreach
Convention of States
Save women's sports

Banning gay marriage didn't make that list. But the theocratic religious right wants to come in and put banning gay marriage at the top of that list. That is what I mean by hijacking the movement. They're welcome to join but they should understand that they're JOINING, not HIJACKING.

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Thats a damn lie.